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Guys I am working on a WBB Southern Pacific Daylight 4-8-4

and I need some Tech answers to a couple of Questions.

First off after conversations with Gunrunner John I do know that I can use the Super Chuffer board in this Locomotive However I am confused as to how to mount a reed switch and How many magnets I am going to need to make this work and Second as to where to mount these Magnets.

 

Second I am having a Mars Light Board installed in this Engine and I know from when I did this to this locomotive awhile ago i had trouble with lighting in the nose cone. I had a fellow Forumite construct for me the Mars Light board and Led from N-Gineering.com which worked perfectly till i had to remove the shell for maintaince and I dropped the shell on the exposed board and it broke so Now i need to replace the board and the led lighting. 

If from what i am understanding the Super Chuffer Board has a connection on it for headlamp and I can have the headlamp led tied to it this would open up the connection from the Mars light Board to allow a set of Small Led's to light up the Number Boards in the Nose Cone of this engine.

With this as long as my understanding is correct would allow me to totally light the nose cone of this engine and set it apart from any of the other ones out there.

 

The only other question i would have is that i have DCS and Not TMCC.  I am considering updating this to Rail sounds and Cruise if I could get this to work in Conventional.  To the ones I have chatted with about this no one has the answer if the Cruise would work without TMCC. I have no permanent layout up I put up and display a Holiday layout and I am working on getting things together for this December.

any help with this is appreciated

Thank you for all your replies

 

 

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The magnets are ideally mounted on one of the drivers, you need four of them for four chuffs/rev.  The reed switch has to be about 1/16" or less away as they rotate, and clearly the magnets need the clearance between the frame and wheel.  Also, if there is too much side to side slop in the driver you're using, you will have to shim it to keep it from causing unreliable chuffs.  The magnet is mounted on the frame so that the magnets pass by one end as they rotate on the driver.

 

Why would you use the MARS light simulator to light the number boards, I guess I don't understand what you're doing there.

 

Conventional operation with the Super-Chuffer is possible, but you have to add a large capacitor to "help" the on-board filter cap for lower voltages.  Due to the way the Super-Chuffer circuit interfaces with the rest of the electronics in the locomotive, it was necessary to have a half-wave rectification so I could have a common ground.  Doing otherwise would have cost significantly more and made the board significantly larger.

 

Rather than try to run without TMCC, why not just buy a used TMCC BASE1, they're commonly available for $50-60, and you can control the locomotive from the DCS remote in command mode.  Solves all the issues of running in conventional.

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

The magnets are ideally mounted on one of the drivers, you need four of them for four chuffs/rev.  The reed switch has to be about 1/16" or less away as they rotate, and clearly the magnets need the clearance between the frame and wheel.  Also, if there is too much side to side slop in the driver you're using, you will have to shim it to keep it from causing unreliable chuffs.  The magnet is mounted on the frame so that the magnets pass by one end as they rotate on the driver.

Okay I understand This.

 

Why would you use the MARS light simulator to light the number boards, I guess I don't understand what you're doing there.

The Mars Light Simulator is not being used to light the Number Boards it is being installed in the upper Headlight hole in the Nose Cone.  What I was referring to was that the Two Headlight openings and the Number Boards are all within scant micro Millimeters of one another in the Nose Cone.  When I used the Original mars Light it was mounted to the top headlight hole and an Evans Led was mounted into the lower head Lamp hole and this left nothing to light up the number boards.  The Design of the Nose cone on this engine is so that a Single incandesect bulb lit the number Boards and both of the Head Lamp Holes. 

So to Rectify this issue of having no lighted Number boards I was figuring to use one more led to light these as well as using the Headlamp holes lit and Closed off.

 

Conventional operation with the Super-Chuffer is possible, but you have to add a large capacitor to "help" the on-board filter cap for lower voltages.  Due to the way the Super-Chuffer circuit interfaces with the rest of the electronics in the locomotive, it was necessary to have a half-wave rectification so I could have a common ground.  Doing otherwise would have cost significantly more and made the board significantly larger. Alright What would The part number  be for this rectification part and Where would it be located at in the wiring of this board?

 

Rather than try to run without TMCC, why not just buy a used TMCC BASE1, they're commonly available for $50-60, and you can control the locomotive from the DCS remote in command mode.  Solves all the issues of running in conventional.   Not sure if this would be an option for me at this time but i will look at it as well as having my friend see the post here to help him decide if he wants to do this to his locomotive.  

 

 

If from what i am understanding the Super Chuffer Board has a connection on it for headlamp and I can have the headlamp led tied to it this would open up a connection from the Mars light Board to allow a set of Small Led's to light up the Number Boards in the Nose Cone of this engine.

With this as long as my understanding is correct would allow me to totally light the nose cone of this engine and set it apart from any of the other ones out there.

Basically I am counting lighting Connections

1 Super Chuffer and Main Headlight

2 Mars Light Board has a connection for a Single Headlamp as well as the Triple for the Flashing lights. so I am figuring to connect a Led to this to light the Number Boards

 

I'd put a small SMT LED or two in each number board to light them, then you can still fit the lights in the proper places.  The MARS light goes on top of the headlight.  I've also used some really small incandescent grain of wheat bulbs in the number boards and secured them with hot glue.  Lots of ways to skin this cat.

 

The two large capacitors on the board are the existing filter caps, my suggestion is to parallel a 1000uf 35V capacitor with them for conventional operation.  You can easily connect it to the back side of the Super-Chuffer on two pins of the regulator module.  If you hold the Super-Chuffer board up, looking at the back side behind the large black block (the regulator), the middle lead to the regulator is the negative side and the right hand lead to the regulator is the positive side.  That's where you connect the external capacitor.

 

The only fly in the ointment I see with powering the number boards from the MARS light board is they only expect to power a single LED, remember that board is really tiny!  It has no excess current capability.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of just powering the LEDs that you used in the number boards separately from track power using a diode and resistor.

 

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