Tail End Tuesday

Tail End Tuesday!!!

It’s late afternoon, and an SP freight train passes the station at the small Sierra town of Patterson, California on the Southern Pacific RR.

Fatman...OK I'll bite...who is the mfr and what is the age of that beautiful steamer?  I can see but can't read some writing on the back of the tender and on the boiler support on the one side...how about a little history ... THANKS!!!.

Best Wishes

Don

Well heck all you guys are putting up some wonderful photos to show off your tail ends! LOL

@trumpettrain Patrick, it really doesn't matter what your post you always have a fun and interesting story to go with them! 

@WesternPacific2217 Scott, I like the shots you are posting and how you're picking up on some of the things Patrick does with his photos!

@leapinlarry Larry I have said this many times over and over, You have one of the most amazing layouts with some of the finest engines and rolling stock. I am with Scott that is one huge engine!

@WP John, nice caboose but for me today I really love the peaceful setting in your photo of your layout! Looking like a wonderful place to just sit back and relax!

Thank you all for sharing! I am sorry I have nothing to share with you as far as photos go, but I do want to share my respect to you all for your wonderful photos and work you share with the rest of us!

@Don McErlean  They are actually two different loco's and tenders , both made by Jouet de Paris ( France ) in the 20's and 30's

Nowadays we know them as JEP , but they were earlier trademarked as JP, JdeP  then JDP ( with the D still being a capital but smaller than the J and P) ... then JEP

Jouet de Paris was formed in 1902 .

In France at the time there was also S.I.F. , The Societie Industrielle de Flerblanterie which was created by merging many smaller tinsmith companies into the one umbrella as a co-operative in 1899 and about 1909 they merged further incorporating Jouet de Paris under the wing , but the toys made by the JdP firm were still labelled as JdP etc

It is not uncommon to see very early tenders,carriages etc marked S.I.F.

https://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/sif/index.html

Fatman thank you for your response and the information.

Best Wishes

Don

Hope all had a good 4th, have a nice TET, PW Gang car chasing a Pennsylvania tail end.

Rusty

@Sitka: A gang car chasing a moving caboose...Whoa! there must have been a little too much 4th of July holiday cheer passed around at lunch time!  That "gang" is really crazy!  Neat picture.  Rusty - Amtrack going away with red lights, neat picture.

Well as usual, my offering today is interesting more for its place in toy train history than for anything else.  The Lionel #2472 caboose of 1946-47 was the last of Lionel's tinplate type cabooses.  They had the 2457 and 4457 (from the electronic set).  The 2457 being the first Lionel caboose of the post war period appearing in early 1945.  All 3 of these were designed to mimic the PRR N5 cabin car and were made from stamped metal and then painted and lettered.  Lionel, looking for ways to both save money and increase production (remember the enormous demand for trains in the early post war period) had settled on plastic molding and had even produced both a gondola car and a tank car with this method by 1947.  So Lionel abandoned the stamped N5 caboose and switched to the plastic molded SP type caboose in 1947 and so ended the use of these cars (at least that was the plan and of course old stock was always used up).

So what of the humble # 2472?  It was the least detailed of the trio without the frame mounted tool boxes or air compressor and without a smoke stack.  It was never illuminated and did not even have the brake wheels on the railings.  Post war it only came in red with white lettering.  This version does not have the coupla windows punched out (that would happen in 1947) , has "Eastern Div" lettering, and comes with Type 3A couplers and trucks...dating it to 1946 or early 47.  It has the "flying shoe" coil couplers.  So here is the 1946 #2472 PRR N5 caboose:

Please ignore the awful plastic insert into the windows, this caboose from Lionel never had such a thing.  It will be removed once I have the time to open up the body but since this is held on with metal bent tabs I will have to take my time to get it off.  What the person that did this was thinking I can't tell because there is not any illumination either now or ever.  The caboose is however all metal, not a bit of plastic on it anywhere.   I purchased this caboose at the TCA convention in Nashville mostly because it has  very good to excellent paint and lettering, especially for being some 75 years old (it was born about the same time I was !).

Here is the rear end of the caboose, this version never had more than one coupler.  Note that the forward (and aft) coupla windows are not punched out, this would change in later versions of this car.

Here is the coupler end.  Note that there are brakewheel holding fixtures on the hand rail but no brake wheels.  This is the same on both ends.  I have checked all my references and the associated pictures and believe that this is the way Lionel delivered this caboose in 1946,  None of my references refer to brake wheels nor do any pictures show them.  If you have other information on this issue please post.

Well that's all I have for T.E.Tuesday folks.  I hope you had a wonderful 4th of July weekend, I know that I did by mostly attending the TCA convention in Nashville.

Best wishes all

Don

Well, it's a tail, right?

ObCaboose added to keep on topic.   

Mitch

Tail End Tuesday....(spoiler) New video Friday!

Donald

@Don McErlean posted:

@Sitka: A gang car chasing a moving caboose...Whoa! there must have been a little too much 4th of July holiday cheer passed around at lunch time!  That "gang" is really crazy!  Neat picture.  Rusty - Amtrack going away with red lights, neat picture.

Well as usual, my offering today is interesting more for its place in toy train history than for anything else.  The Lionel #2472 caboose of 1946-47 was the last of Lionel's tinplate type cabooses.  They had the 2457 and 4457 (from the electronic set).  The 2457 being the first Lionel caboose of the post war period appearing in early 1945.  All 3 of these were designed to mimic the PRR N5 cabin car and were made from stamped metal and then painted and lettered.  Lionel, looking for ways to both save money and increase production (remember the enormous demand for trains in the early post war period) had settled on plastic molding and had even produced both a gondola car and a tank car with this method by 1947.  So Lionel abandoned the stamped N5 caboose and switched to the plastic molded SP type caboose in 1947 and so ended the use of these cars (at least that was the plan and of course old stock was always used up).

So what of the humble # 2472?  It was the least detailed of the trio without the frame mounted tool boxes or air compressor and without a smoke stack.  It was never illuminated and did not even have the brake wheels on the railings.  Post war it only came in red with white lettering.  This version does not have the coupla windows punched out (that would happen in 1947) , has "Eastern Div" lettering, and comes with Type 3A couplers and trucks...dating it to 1946 or early 47.  It has the "flying shoe" coil couplers.  So here is the 1946 #2472 PRR N5 caboose:

Please ignore the awful plastic insert into the windows, this caboose from Lionel never had such a thing.  It will be removed once I have the time to open up the body but since this is held on with metal bent tabs I will have to take my time to get it off.  What the person that did this was thinking I can't tell because there is not any illumination either now or ever.  The caboose is however all metal, not a bit of plastic on it anywhere.   I purchased this caboose at the TCA convention in Nashville mostly because it has  very good to excellent paint and lettering, especially for being some 75 years old (it was born about the same time I was !).

Here is the rear end of the caboose, this version never had more than one coupler.  Note that the forward (and aft) coupla windows are not punched out, this would change in later versions of this car.

Here is the coupler end.  Note that there are brakewheel holding fixtures on the hand rail but no brake wheels.  This is the same on both ends.  I have checked all my references and the associated pictures and believe that this is the way Lionel delivered this caboose in 1946,  None of my references refer to brake wheels nor do any pictures show them.  If you have other information on this issue please post.

Well that's all I have for T.E.Tuesday folks.  I hope you had a wonderful 4th of July weekend, I know that I did by mostly attending the TCA convention in Nashville.

Best wishes all

Don

Thank Don, I can neither confirm nor deny my actions on the fourth of July Hope you had a good weekend!

Mark

Here's my rear for this fine Tuesday!

Have a fine TET all, A few tail ends working the rails.

Here is mine TET. MTH BNSF Bay Window Caboose. 25th Anniversary.

Donald

Well hello T.E.T. fans, here it is another VERY HOT and sunny day in Central Texas.  We are still under an "extreme" heat warning with temperatures likely to hit 107 deg later...good day to stay inside and play with trains

This morning, I have a "tail end" from something new for me...a new (to me) passenger set that I bought to go along with my Santa Fe Alco A-B-A  or maybe even my Amtrack engines (after all it is silver).  Its K-LINE and unique is some ways due to its length.  I wanted something longer than my little 0-27 shorty passenger cars and yet I know that the 15+" aluminum cars will not traverse my tight curved layout.  So these guys at just over 12" seem like a great compromise.  So here is the observation car to my new passenger set.

Here is the very tail end, with marker lights and illumination.  Figures inside are via the classic "window strip"

Here is a look at the rear quarter, showing the red window stripe and the streamlined shape

Here is a slightly longer view of the entire car.

Well when I get all the cars (Baggage, Combi, Coach, & Obs) on the track I will post some more, but that is my "tail end" for today.  Hope everyone is having a great week.

Best Wishes

Don

Here's my rears for this fine Tuesday!!

Emergency vehicles at a derailment.

K line observation car.

@trumpettrain, Wow, beautiful emergency vehicles and the beautiful K-Line gleaming chrome shiny finished observation car, awesome, @Don McErlean, that’s a beautiful K-Line passenger train and it’s Hot here in middle Tennessee to, stay cool, @3rail Donald, that BNSF Caboose is so beautiful, very nice looking car, Wow, @Sitka,I love that New Haven brown caboose, I’ve never seen that model, and that’s a great scene, wow, today, here’s a few of the rear of my trains, @@Randy’s Harrison, from a few days ago you posted a picture of a beautiful B&O heavyweight observation car, amazingly  beautiful, and a  great out door background setting.  Happy  Railroading Everyone

@leapinlarry posted:

@trumpettrain, Wow, beautiful emergency vehicles and the beautiful K-Line gleaming chrome shiny finished observation car, awesome, @Don McErlean, that’s a beautiful K-Line passenger train and it’s Hot here in middle Tennessee to, stay cool, @3rail Donald, that BNSF Caboose is so beautiful, very nice looking car, Wow, @Sitka,I love that New Haven brown caboose, I’ve never seen that model, and that’s a great scene, wow, today, here’s a few of the rear of my trains, @@Randy’s Harrison, from a few days ago you posted a picture of a beautiful B&O heavyweight observation car, amazingly  beautiful, and a  great out door background setting.  Happy  Railroading Everyone

Larry first of all that is a sharp layout! Just noticed the post is that cedar? can look at your layout and find things that I didn't notice before great job! That is a 1989 New Haven 16510 from Lionel made for one year per my1901-2008 Greenberg's Guide. God Speed! Mark

Larry - thanks for the compliment on my K-LINE obs car.  Your pictures look great especially the "theater car" and I have not seen you post the "Golden State" and the Santa Fe caboose before either, great stuff.  In addition, I see you have posted a 1:1 caboose with what appears to be the "Buy War Bonds" slogan on the side (WWII ?), where was that taken?  @Sitka -  OK neat picture of your yard scene and now you have added a brown NH Lionel to my "want" list!  @3rai :  That is one really neat MTH caboose, I will keep on the lookout for that as well as BNSF runs right through our area on its way to Dallas. Patrick - great photo scenes as you usually create, but the fire engines from the back attending to a de-rail is really neat.  

Great pictures everyone.  Best wishes

Don

Thank you @Sitka, Mark, I appreciate the kind words;  the folks that helped me with my scenery did use cedar tree parts as scenic effects, being that they gave their time as a labor of love, and did the backdrop, all the rocks and grass, everything in scenery, ballasted the track, helped with my overall plan, I was very blessed to have their kind help. They made the rocks from Scenic Express molds and did every bit of the painting, so much free help. They gave me 10 to 14 years of free, once a week help. Early this year, Louise passed on to her home in Heaven. Ray is 86 and and really is lonely, but his children are close by. He hasn’t been to my home for over 2 years do to the pandemic. See their picture.  Happy Railroading Everyone

Couple of one of a kind tail ends on Tuesday .

Charlie

Very nice Donald!

Don those K-Line Streamliners are a nice size for smaller layouts. Enjoy!

Patrick nice snaps as usual.

Larry great trains, great layout, great friends!  Sorry to hear about Louise.  I feel for Ray and her family and friends. She and Ray sound like real wonderful people.

A study of the Big and Small of it ....

Triang Express and a little Hornby HO saddletank loco

A new dress code for the caboose crew

Tail of a scratch/kitbash PRR b70a using parts from a K-line rpo.

@coach joe:  Thanks for the comment on my new passenger cars, like you I think they will work well on my small layout and look a little more realistic than the shorty 0-27 cars.  @leapinlarry : Larry to have friends like Louise and Ray is a real blessing.  I hope Ray can find a way to relieve his loneliness.  @Fatman :  great pictures, is the Hornby "Doubleo", I had not seen anything like that before.

Best wishes everyone
Don

@Don McErlean posted:

@coach joe:  Thanks for the comment on my new passenger cars, like you I think they will work well on my small layout and look a little more realistic than the shorty 0-27 cars.  @leapinlarry : Larry to have friends like Louise and Ray is a real blessing.  I hope Ray can find a way to relieve his loneliness.  @Fatman :  great pictures, is the Hornby "Doubleo", I had not seen anything like that before.

Best wishes everyone
Don

Hi Don

More correctly these HO plastic locos are Tri-Ang

in 1965 Hornby was bought by Tri-ang and lines were merged, these little locos came in many simple models , but the earlier Saddle Tank 0-6-0 versions are the premium models .. I had a brain fart labelling them as "Hornby"

Its like Pringles tho  .. you cant stop at just one !

@Fatman : Wonderful !!  Great collection.  Thanks for the information on the Tri-ang acquisition.  In the middle to late 1950's I sold all my Lionel (they were toys after all) and so common at the time at a great discount and purchased HO ("real scale!!") which as a modeler's scale at the time was quite expensive.  Today, the HO which I still have is worth near nothing and the Lionel I sold would have made a nice down payment on a new car!!  Oh well...

Best Wishes Don

Have a nice week Tail End fan's, Security Car keeping an eye on that USN Sub.

@Sitka- Well that Security Car is a great item, neat for sure.  Me?  Today I have a "bevy of beauties" for you all...all these "tail ends" are very close to a century old and they represent the toy train world of the 1920's.  They are the Lionel # 530 & 630 four wheel observation car.  Why the two numbers?  Hard to tell, only Lionel could tell you the reason as the differences are mostly color of car and trim or detail.  As best I can tell the basic car body is identical.  Note that in some pictures one car looks bigger than the others, that is an optical illusion caused by the photograph, they are identical in size.    So here they are:

Here is the T.E.T. view, not much to distinguish between them at this angle.  The differences are noticeable on the sides and with a better view of the colors.

Here the differences are more clear.  In the foreground is the dark green and maroon trim #630.  She is the oldest of the group and was available in various colors from 1924-1932.  This version is one of the earliest cars, likely from 1924, mostly because of the dark green color and she still has tab/slot couplers.  Next is the "light olive" and maroon trim car from 1926.  Finally, the olive and orange trim car from 1928.

A look at the non-observation platform end.  Foreground is the olive / orange car and note by 1928, she has not only latch type couplers but journal box covers.   Next is the olive / maroon car from 1926 with no journal covers, a latch coupler and the blue celluloid window shades.  These shades came and went, off and on, throughout the history of this little car.  Finally the dark green / maroon car from 1924 with the tab/slot couplers

Well that's my offering this fine Tuesday.  Wish everyone a happy and healthy week

Don

@Don McErlean posted:

@Sitka- Well that Security Car is a great item, neat for sure.  Me?  Today I have a "bevy of beauties" for you all...all these "tail ends" are very close to a century old and they represent the toy train world of the 1920's.  They are the Lionel # 530 & 630 four wheel observation car.  Why the two numbers?  Hard to tell, only Lionel could tell you the reason as the differences are mostly color of car and trim or detail.  As best I can tell the basic car body is identical.  Note that in some pictures one car looks bigger than the others, that is an optical illusion caused by the photograph, they are identical in size.    So here they are:

Here is the T.E.T. view, not much to distinguish between them at this angle.  The differences are noticeable on the sides and with a better view of the colors.

Here the differences are more clear.  In the foreground is the dark green and maroon trim #630.  She is the oldest of the group and was available in various colors from 1924-1932.  This version is one of the earliest cars, likely from 1924, mostly because of the dark green color and she still has tab/slot couplers.  Next is the "light olive" and maroon trim car from 1926.  Finally, the olive and orange trim car from 1928.

A look at the non-observation platform end.  Foreground is the olive / orange car and note by 1928, she has not only latch type couplers but journal box covers.   Next is the olive / maroon car from 1926 with no journal covers, a latch coupler and the blue celluloid window shades.  These shades came and went, off and on, throughout the history of this little car.  Finally the dark green / maroon car from 1924 with the tab/slot couplers

Well that's my offering this fine Tuesday.  Wish everyone a happy and healthy week

Don

Don that's a lot of tail ends

Here’s a Tail End in Wabash colors- have a great week everyone!

Here's my rears for this fine Tuesday!

A tender rear.

Aerotrain tail end.

Wow, what a beautiful Wabash Caboose @rjsmithindy… Everyone, happy Tail End Tuesday, beautiful pictures. Happy Railroading Everyone

This Railking 30-77005 EL caboose reminds me of the reverse colored Lionel B/W caboose in the 6-11726 Erie Lackawanna Freight Set.

Good afternoon All, hello Tail End Tuesday fans, this may be the first post today?,  but, here’s a few tails of the end kind… We survived the LCCA 4 bus tour yesterday, Amen. Happy Railroading Everyone

Hope all had a good Tail End, Night shot Union Pacific 4-4-0 passing thru a tunnel.