Anyone have any idea of what we should be expecting from Tangent? I have many of their HO products and quite frankly this could be a HUGE lift in O Scale, including P48.
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Very interesting news. I'd be interested in learning more also!
@Mike DeBerg posted:Anyone have any idea of what we should be expecting from Tangent?
No. 1st I've ever seen that they even have an O scale newsletter or list for the same. Have they ever produced anything in O scale?
Promising.
Yeah, personally I am hoping for his more modern/present day HO releases coming to O as well as their trucks. David's attention to detail is second to none.
I am only aware of the N and HO scale releases, until now...
I am very excited about the prospect of Tangent coming to the O scale market.
I don't model in HO but from what I've seen at the local hobby shop their models are impeccable.
Someone mistakenly posted an HO scale Tangent Hopper as O Scale on Ebay last week. I took a look at it and said to myself " self, to bad they don't make O Scale 2rail products " Well, will have to see what happens.
Keep an eye out for what Lou at CENTRAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS will be releasing after the 1st of the year. It should be a huge opportunity in new products for 2railers. Thanks Lou for your hard work and dedication to our 2rail hobby.
John
Coeurd Alene, Idaho
@Derailed10o posted:Someone mistakenly posted an HO scale Tangent Hopper as O Scale on Ebay last week. I took a look at it and said to myself " self, to bad they don't make O Scale 2rail products " Well, will have to see what happens.
Keep an eye out for what Lou at CENTRAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS will be releasing after the 1st of the year. It should be a huge opportunity in new products for 2railers. Thanks Lou for your hard work and dedication to our 2rail hobby.
John
Coeurd Alene, Idaho
John,
yeah, but this actually came from a post directly from Tangent Scale Models. We'll see, like you said.
Also, a great callout RE: CLW and even 3rd Rail/GGD are helping drive up the quality of releases in O Scale.
@Derailed10o posted:Keep an eye out for what Lou at CENTRAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS will be releasing after the 1st of the year. It should be a huge opportunity in new products for 2railers. Thanks Lou for your hard work and dedication to our 2rail hobby.
And where should be look for that information on CLW and Lou?
I don't know anyone at Tangent. I signed up for there newsletter that gets emailed once a month earlier this morning.
Signed up for their newsletter. Interesting that they're entering the O Scale waters.
I never heard of these guys so I checked out their website. I have to say I like everything I read on it especially that they show prototype photos to prove their models are accurate and they include Kadee couplers with their models “so you don’t have to swap out junk plastic couplers.” I also like how their models are very detailed but also robust so general handling doesn’t break anything. I like that a lot. The only con I could find is if an HO caboose costs $115 how much will an O scale caboose cost? Having said that I would still like to purchase some stuff from them if they do start making O scale models. I signed up for the newsletter.
Phil,
Tangent is a top-notch manufacturer in terms of quality, accuracy, and level of detail. I think it will be interesting to see how Tangent approaches O Scale, and what material changes they might bring to their models to keep the same characteristics you mentioned while keeping the price reasonable.
The only con I could find is if an HO caboose costs $115 how much will an O scale caboose cost?
I've noticed over the years that the prices of high quality HO has risen quite a lot; probably has passed right by routine O. Times might have changes and passed O by again.
keeping the price reasonable.
Might have to define reasonable. Every time I read or hear that from too many, it's just code for cheap. Might be time to re-evaluate pricing and get out the pry bar to open the wallets.
I signed up for the newsletter. I'm one of the curious looking for more info about what models they might make and whether anything might appeal to me. It might be that Tangent is looking to see how much interest exists on planet O scale based on how many sign up for that newsletter. They may want to cast their net wider.
I also signed up for the newsletter. It will be interesting to see what era they choose to make. I don't want cheap models, but I'm not a rivet counter either. If that comes at a cost, it depends what the cost is. I can't justify $200+ for a plastic freight car for every purchase, but I would buy 1 or 2 items to help them since they are helping our hobby.
It seems like everybody assumes Tangent will offer new models to 2-railers. It might be their big announcement is new wheelsets and trucks to upgrade your rolling stock. Although I'd love to see another company make high quality scale models I don't know how they could justify the cost of any new tooling for such a small segment of O scale.
Anyhow, I also subscribed to their newsletter. I'm curious to see what they have in the works. A correct B&O/Chessie System bay window caboose would be a most-welcomed addition to O scale.
@Mike DeBerg I agree Mike.
One thing I really hope they do, and judging from everything I read on their website they will do it, is use trucks that are realistic in nature. What I mean by that is in O scale 2 rail the trucks used on models traditionally have looked like the prototype. Of all the companies that also make 3 rail trains only Weaver had trucks that were made this way where the bolster is on the car body and not on the truck. I have always felt that when Atlas O got back into O in the late '90s they should have developed a truck/bolster system similar to the Weaver. Weaver had an add on Lionel type coupler for 3 rail operations that went between the truck and the body. It gave the car the extra height needed for the 3 rail coupler. Atlas could have done something like that maybe improving on the idea but instead they used a truck that has a bolster built into it which has in my opinion has its roots from the toy train world. Not only was this less realistic but it was sort of proprietary. Yes, you can put Atlas trucks under other manufacturers cars and sometimes they work with little or no effort and sometimes they require more effort. When using the correct truck design like what was always used in 2 rail you can pretty much put any truck under any car. It is pretty much a Standard. This is why whenever I convert a 3 rail car to 2 rail I try to use the that manufacturers trucks because if I don't there might be problems.
@mwb Well, it is happening right here. We have a high end HO caboose costing $115 while a Lionel or Atlas O caboose retails for $90 (approximately). One thing that might help is if Tangent does a car they have already done in HO they won't have to do the research. Maybe that will lower the costs a little? They just have to scale it up. At the point where I am in the hobby I don't need a high number of trains. It would be better to spend more and get a high quality model than spend less for two lower quality models.
I was thinking same thought on Tangent offering trucks or wheels.
Rumor has it that Kadee will be doing O Scale 2rail trucks.
@Derailed10o posted:Rumor has it that Kadee will be doing O Scale 2rail trucks.
I did hear that they had something on display at a recent show (Train Fest?) in O scale.
All great points! Let's hope for the best on what products they offer and at what price point! 
While I'm also in the camp hoping they bring their truck line to 2R and P48 I can't see holding my Christmas wish list for something like that! Just my opinion!
Mike D. Kadee just had samples of there O scale trucks at the great train show last month. no info on time line though. would be great to have.
Yes, their items are a bit pricey for H.O. I paid about $115 each for a couple of brass CNW hoppers; paid almost $300 for a Division Point brass caboose (oh for the days of questionably-detailed "semi-scale"). It seems reasonable to expect that any rolling stock offerings would be pricey, but accurate. I'm interested. They might go for the unusual items, though. Time will tell.
What we need is options in between Atlas O and High end brass (ie Protocraft). Both in detail and price range.
@Rick Rubino posted:Kadee just had samples of there O scale trucks at the great train show last month. no info on time line though. would be great to have.
Time line aside, what kind of trucks were seen? Metal wheels, one hopes.
Hi Mike, just saw this, wow very interesting news, thanks for sharing! I'm personally hoping they offer their PS-2CD 4750 covered hopper, or PS4000 3-bay coal hopper, but will be interested in most any rail car built 1970 or later.
John
Hi John,
Right there with ya on first on the list product. Their PS4750 would be amazing in O Scale! Really anything they do would be, it would just be a matter of how many I would purchase! 
Sure any of the 100T coal hopper variations they've done would be a welcome addition.
@mwb posted:Time line aside, what kind of trucks were seen? Metal wheels, one hopes.
While I wasn't at Trainfest this year, seems like they had some trucks on display perhaps someone else has the info. Having used some of their trucks in both HO and 1:29 they are die cast metal fully sprung with braking gear present. Nice detailed for sure. I can't imagine they would do anything different for O scale, just a question of what they are types they are offering.
Really nothing present on their website that I can find regarding the future product(s). What I did find was a post on their FB site with the following photo of arch bar trucks, looks more like Bettendorf to me.
Wow! I wonder if that silver circle in the center of the truck which looks like a spacer to me is removable for different applications? I don't dislike die-cast trucks but when they crumble into dust it can be a real bummer.
If either of these companies comes out with trucks it will be a very good thing for O scale.
@Mike DeBerg posted:While I wasn't at Trainfest this year, seems like they had some trucks on display perhaps someone else has the info. Having used some of their trucks in both HO and 1:29 they are die cast metal fully sprung with braking gear present. Nice detailed for sure. I can't imagine they would do anything different for O scale, just a question of what they are types they are offering.
Really nothing present on their website that I can find regarding the future product(s). What I did find was a post on their FB site with the following photo of arch bar trucks, looks more like Bettendorf to me.
I could not find anything on their website either which is why I inquired.
Yes, those look like a Bettandorf variant.
as a rule when tangent makes an announcement the product is available at that time. and in the HO world it usually sells out almost immediately .
Rick, One of the many other things I like about Tangent!
I notice this morning that their home page has a new " View and Buy 0" added to their drop-down list -- though it doesn't go anywhere the last I checked. Also note that their very significant Quantity Discount provisions [ 11 to 20 % ] do not apply to 0 !
At the least, this will be "interesting". Manufacturers have been known to produce product based on the wishes of a vociferous few rather than the majority of the modelling sector at large.....
Good luck to them !
SZ
@Steinzeit posted:I notice this morning that their home page has a new " View and Buy 0" added to their drop-down list -- though it doesn't go anywhere the last I checked. Also note that their very significant Quantity Discount provisions [ 11 to 20 % ] do not apply to 0 !
Maybe that will change and get updates once they have something to sell....
At the least, this will be "interesting". Manufacturers have been known to produce product based on the wishes of a vociferous few rather than the majority of the modelling sector at large....
Yeah, that'll end well.
Well, this IS a surprise [ to me anyway ]: A 1928 3 dome tank car, in brass.
My Christmas wish list is unchanged. Yours ?
SZ
@Steinzeit posted:Well, this IS a surprise [ to me anyway ]: A 1928 3 dome tank car, in brass.
At a mere $524.95.....does look nice in the photos....undec for $489.95
My Christmas wish list is unchanged. Yours ?
I have enough, no, way too many tank cars....
About 70 years older of an era than I was hoping for but really nice looking cars just the same, was fun while it lasted.☺️
I'm wondering how much an I-18 caboose would be if they do one in O. Not really interested in a 3-dome tank car but wow, those trucks look amazing.
