What are you going to order from the Lionel 2014 catalog (No Whining)

765 Berk & 18" Texas Special cars.

Quick question and sorry for posting here - are all the engines in this catalog, like the heavy mikes, only made to order?  Or is that just the VL BB?

Actually there are a  few are NOT made to order.

The Berks are all Built to Order as well as the VL BB, PRR M1A, and Heavy Mikados. all have the BTO sticker on them.

I'm in for the baby Madison NYC 3-pack, LionChief Plus Hudson, and the Sleepy Hollow box car.  Maybe the lumber shed kit.

Chris

The total of the items on my wish list are about $5000.......but at the current money situation it will be just a wish list. Tons of great stuff Lionel.....but much of it beyond my comfort level. 

I would like to order the Penn Central E-8's. I not sure of the paint it looks more like Penn. Brunswick Green, than P.C. green.

This is one of the most interesting thread that I have read on this forum ALL of us have such a varied interests in this great hobby.

As you read what everyone wants or is going to order, I can visualize what your layout is or your dream layout is. We ALL are a very interesting bunch as we dream about what could be. Like little boys, we still love playing with our toys.

Lobsta Car if they break up a set.  Cleveland Indians and Pittsburgh Pirates cars.

It's a miracle. Lionel may make scale Wabash passenger cars!!!

Must Have:

6-81842 Wabash 18" Passenger 2 Pack Dome Observation/Coach
6-81843 Wabash 18" Passenger 2 Pack Combination/Vista Dome
6-81872 Wabash 18" Passenger 2 Pack Baggage/Diner

Will Probably Get:

6-35558 Lionel Stool w/back
6-11454 Nickel Plate Berkshire #765

• Big Boy 4006 (the one in St. Louis, of course)

• P.F.E. 3-pak with sound effects

• P.F.E. 3-pak w/o sound effects

• NS Tie-Jector

And just my opinion - since I am anything but a rivet-counter, I do like the SP Cab Forward paint scheme.

Nice catalog!

Alex

The truck isn't included...The cab and trailer are a separate sale item in addition to the flat with two trailers.

Jeff Davis

I respectfully agree on both counts. To compound the error of my non-rivet counting ways I think I'll get the SP crane and boom car to run behind the Daylight AC-12. 

My only query is about the sound on this engine. It's been pointed out above that the TMCC RS5 version from 2005 did not have prototypical sound but there's a Lionmaster version that does. I can't see any reason why Lionel could not combine the sound files from the two to give us something more correct in terms of air compressor sounds with the RS5 crew and tower talk, which is engine-specific and highly entertaining, IMHO. Purists will whine about any talk from this steamer but if as per the catalog description there's going to be crew/tower talk Lionel may as well use an existing resource for it.

There are two items that I won't be buying.

#1

#2

The combination of a non-prototypical paint scheme with fine sound worked in the VL Greyhound Challenger and that is what I have in mind. I know it's not consistent but this is a hobby I pursue for fun - and because my Dad did!

I have the advantage that I already have the TMCC AC-12, which I rate as one of Lionel's best engines of recent years apart from the chuff/whistle issue. (I've held off getting an MTH cab forward in the hope that Lionel would produce a Legacy or Vision model.) I also model the SP cab forwards in HO where you can get prototypical air compressor sounds. Frankly I can do without these because the HO versions really don't match what I have heard on recordings of the real thing and the difference is just distracting.

Now hold on a sec, you said earlier that your original concern was how accurate the sounds would be on the new releases, not that they were just "fine." 

You can have fine sound that isn't accurate you know.  Just like the original release of the LionMaster & scale cab forwards.  They both sound fine, but neither are accurate. 

Boy, there is just too much to list:

Vision Line Big Boy

Pere Marquette 1225 Berkshire

N5b caboose

Rock Island E8/E9's

UP H-7 2-8-8-2

Cn&W F7's

The ATSF Map slogan 5 pack

The Detroit and Mackinaw round roof box car

The Milwaukee double sheathed box car

PS 4 Milwaukee flat cars with trailers

One C&O two bay die-cast hopper

One N&W two bay die-cast hopper

DTI Legacy boom car and crane

1 set of 18" Wabash stream line cars

Is that a scale size wig wag signal? I need a few of those, if they aren't then the  signals crossing gates will do.

This has been the longest list in a long time....

To compound the error of my non-rivet counting ways I think I'll get the SP crane and

boom car to run behind the Daylight AC-12. 

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but you may want to look at this before you plan to buy the crane with the expectation of compounding your non-rivet counting ways:

SP #7070 Crane (Prototype)

The only saving grace you'd have in being non-prototypical is with the boom car, where the Lionel model does not match the crane's paint scheme as per the prototype (the model isn't the same car as the prototype either).

SP #7071(Lionel version)

I would have to get the Grand Trunk Western PS-5 gondola that matches the Grand Trunk Western AAR 50' Boxcar and PS-1 40' Boxcar.

Andrew

Most likely no locomotives this time, but I do like the Ann Arbor FA-2 AA set.  I need to look over the catalog a few more times.  So far, I found enough rolling stock to order to make me very happy with this catalog...

I'm going to need six of these Piggyback flats...

Maybe one of these...

Theres them con sarn worms again, someone hand me a shovel, wham, Bam Whamm,wham, oh theres another, WHAM BAM. that should take care of them worthless varmits, eat my PRR-NYC will ya!

For me it has to be!!

Rock Island LEGACY E8 AA 6-81225 also maybe

Rock Island LEGACY GP 35

yep,and maybe some of them big boxcars to.

Hey, JP, you need a flock of the PRR GLa hoppers, too!

I just ordered a Cab Forward in Daylight.

...in order to repaint it correctly as it deserves, right? 

Its always the same folks that come out of the woodwork to "rain" on the Lionel parade. I wonder if MTH has paid hecklers?

You know, THAT is a GREAT idea! Since the "Daylight painted" cab forward is road number 4275, which is the FIRST AC-12, I might just go that direction. Assuming of course that Lionel gets the sound/whistle package correct. I can always add the PSC exhaust stack/splitter arrangement, as I did on the previous model as well as on the the MTH model.

Hot Water,

The 2005 Lionel version came with the stack splitter.  It was just the MTH one that lacked it.  Ironically MTH seemed to include the splitter on their HO version of the same model so go figure! 

Thanks John,

I went upstairs and checked, and you are correct. Looks like I will not have to order that PSC exhaust stack & splitter arrangement for the new Lionel model, assuming they make it the same way as the 2005 model.

For what it's worth, I sent my 2005 Lionel model to Train America Studios, back when they were still in business, and had the chuff rate up-graded to 4-chuffs per rev, and they changed out that original awful whistle to something a bit more "Souther Pacific sounding".

I beg to strongly differ And object.  The original "accurate" sound meaning the whistle was extremely annoying. I wouldn't even operate it If that was the case.  I would take fine sounds over accuracy for this model.  You cannot have accurate sounds that is annoying you know, but you can have fine sounds that isn't accurate.

Do you have the in- and out-of sync chuffing effect with that upgrade?  That's one other area where the previous Lionel model fell short in the sound package.

Check my thread on the subject. Wrote to Lionel and the project manager of these locomotives replied they were purposefully illustrated that way to highlight the fact that there will be a tiny amount of green in the paint. The final products will have the same paint as the Norfolk Southern PC Heritage Unit.

Well sort of. The Lionel articulated sound sets, regardless of whether RS5 or Legacy, really do NOT go in and out of sync as does a real simple articulated steam locomotive. I must admit that MTH sure has that "exhaust sound effect" down pat, especially art the speed increases, both engine exhaust sounds do get "into sync", just like the real thing.

The bottom line is, I am as happy as I can be with that 2005 Lionel cab forward, since it now is a big improvement as how it was originally.

i will not be getting anything. its at the point only the people making60-70k/ and up per year can afford this rich mans hobby.-jim

One possible way to get the chuffs to move in and out of sync might be to use two smaller motors each driving one engine rather than one big motor driving both engines. Then install a sensor on each driver set. Ever shrinking electronics might allow more room for two motors. The one disappointing thing about the Tunsami sound set was the fact that the chuffs maintained the same relationship.

Pete

It seems that Lionel is focusing on a narrow segment of the O gauge market; the affluent consumer that likes/wants to buy high $$$$ trains.  Lionel has obviously gone through a lot of trouble to present a broad offering in 2014 but IMO the whole catalog is way overpriced. Did anyone forget that these are just TOYS! There are many nice items to look at in that catalog, and a new American made line, but little that my layout can use. Many items (like the Pennsylvania passenger set) are only available in sets. For my layout (100% Conventional) early 90's Lionel and Williams is clearly the better choice and the better buy. Sorry if this sounds negative to some, but its an honest picture of how I see things.

Or just pull the TMCC boards out & replace it with ProtoSounds 2.0 and load the cab forward sound file into it; much, much easier than having to jury-rig a whole new drivetrain to support two motors. 

Without TAS, that is surely what I would do now, especially since the MTH 2.0 up-grade kits are available.

Well installing simulated chuff offsets might be easier for most here but dual motors are more elegant and accurate to prototype. Check out the Kohs Challenger. Doesn't appear to be jury rigged to me.

Pete

I might get the LV hopper 2pk.