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As part of the next chapter in 3 rail modeling, converting brass locomotives to 3 rail has been one of the most exciting, & rewarding challenges yet to be faced by a select few of us here on the OGR, …..the challenges present so many levels of thought processes…..can I pull this off?…what kind of budget can I keep?..can I build it bulletproof?…and mostly, will it be an accurate model?….making these locomotives is a very exciting process, with so many highs & lows, it keeps you on your toes, tests your skills sets. & keeps you searching for that right part, at the right time, at the right price,….to keep these projects in check, and not have the preverbal run away train, we look for intact or even pristine 2 rail examples. The resale value of the unwanted ( by us ) 2 rail parts ( chassis, wheel sets, trucks, etc.) really helps keep these fantastic works of art in check and sometimes even below the cost of a new Legacy or PS3 scale locomotive!…brass locomotives are known for their finicky operations, delicate drive mechanisms, and fragile parts, …..we’ve turned that on it’s ear……by incorporating known proven performing 3 rail chassis, high quality motors, robust gear boxes, and good electronics packages, we’re building brass O scale models, with durability, power, & performance not seen in the brass world,…..when I say we, I’m specifically mentioning my good buddies, Pete ( aka Norton @ West Albany Shops ) & Lou ( aka Lou1985 @ Topeka shops ATSF ) …..The boys at West Albany have been instrumental in aiding with designs, theories, parts, fitment, you name it!!….also, these NYC projects would never get off the ground with out the walking encyclopedia of all things NYC, Mario ( Centralfan1976) if I we need to know where a pipe goes, where a fixture mounted, how tall a driver is supposed to be, or even what rivet does what letter land on, Mario has the answers in minutes,….so with all that out of the way, …..I present the QUEEN of the rails, the finest J1 4-6-4 Hudson to ever grace 3 rails ……

West Side Models, KTM made this supreme model of the J1e, …….detail is just jaw dropping, this has to be one of the nicest cab interiors I’ve ever seen,….West Side is known for very high levels of details, …….I began fitting a bulletproof MTH chassis, and drive line……lots of milling and trimming of the chassis to make a good precise fit….the object here, was never to cut on the Westside boiler course…..or remove any parts from the boiler,….so the chassis, & steam chest ( cylinder block ) were extensively modified to fit the West Side boiler,…..a custom flywheel was turned down to clear the cab sides, as well as slight relocation of the motor mount for clearance, again, not trimming or cutting on the West Side boiler, or firebox…..the tender presented the most challenges, there’s simply no room,….I’m really a fan of early Lionel Railsounds, and when cleaned up with better speakers, old RS 2.5 - 4.0 IMO really pounds the ground, and the QUEEN must be heard!!……fitting 2 speakers, and all the board sets was really a challenge, so the coal bunker had to be employed for space, the Cruise Commander fits well in the bunker, and a very nice “ coal pile “ was fashioned with the antenna bottom mounted to it,…..MTH 3 rail tender trucks employed to keep the QUEEN’s supply of fuel & water a step behind…….keeping the details going, I’ve turned my attention to details rarely seen on 3 rail models, …..the flex hoses and couplings that carry water & steam to and from the tender,….Pete gave me the idea of these extension springs to make the connections between the two, each hose will be permanently attached on the locomotive side, & the tender side, ….magnets in the middle connect the two hoses for servicing …..the tether is straight plugged, and lives right where the flexible section of the coal auger would be & of course, a deck plate for the crew, …..after some more detail work, she’ll get painted and numbered 5333,……in conjunction with Phil @ Jr. Junction’s custom Hudson that was the first Hudson into the new Syracuse station, 5333 was the last Hudson to go down Washington St. with the Empire State Express,…..enjoy the pics, and of course I’ll update the thread…..it’ll be a while, as I’ve got to get some other fella’s Hudsons up & going,….😉

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@Dave_C posted:

And build it better than anything you can buy today.

I believe they call that "taking pride".

A scarce human trait in 2022.

Along with that, the way these masters of modifications can come together on a project to make the impossible, possible. How fortunate we are as o guagers to have access to this talent.



Good stuff as always Pat!

If this one gets that beautiful drive line. I hope the owner does the right thing and runs it with the shell off!😉

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Holy Cow Pat!  That's quite a project, I'm betting that's more than an evening's work!

Thanks John, ……and to let everyone know, in conjunction with the upgraded RS 2.5, I’m using the full array of John’s Chuff Stuff ( TM ) ……having those two boards being modular makes planning these brass projects a step easier,….the small footprints make hiding them a breeze …

Pat

@Dave_C posted:

What you guys are doing is just Awesome !  No hounding of the manufactures begging to make an engine. You just see what you want and go build it. And build it better than anything you can buy today.

Over the past few months (years) with everything that we’ve been doing hard research and working on to make things “just right”, has been so much more fun than just taking something out of a box and putting it on the rails.  Pat’s work here, and Pete’s 0-6-0, really exemplify that.  It’s not kit bashing, it’s looking through history and finding that right photograph and matching it to the right model with the right modifications and the right tweaks; it is right and just.

… and to this I say kudos.

If you folks are wondering why the word QUEEN is always capitalized on this thread, the answer is this, ….a writer once proclaimed, the 20TH CENTURY LIMITED carried a name so significant, so embroidered in the American fabric, it shall only be printed in all capital letters,…..the QUEEN with the added details, painstaking research, and accuracy, shall follow that same rule,….

Pat

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Some of y’all might be wondering what’s going on in pics #6 & #7 ……..for a better scale look, but still to be able to navigate hi-rail track & switches, a trick I’ve developed is to take a scale flanged wheel, and just skim some of the tire off on the lathe, ….removing some tire yields a slightly taller flange that navigates my # 5 Atlas switches (and the rest of the Atlas track)  a lot better …….I’ve tried running them stock, but they would occasionally derail here & there,….believe it or not, that little bit of added flange has yielded trouble free service in 100’s of hours of testing …..it’s become standard practice around here,…….

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Sorry for the delay in coming here to comment and compliment. I was OOC this weekend. That is out of commission. I did not even get my nose in my inbox much this weekend, didn't feel well Saturday and a headache yesterday.

Enough of all that, wow Pat, looks like another fantastic job in the works and another home run by the Harmon Shops(and those helping). Can't wait to see the end result.

@Mark Boyce posted:

Yes I really like the larger flanges of O 3-rail over the HO and N scale engines I used to try to run.

Funny... I was into HO and N for quite a few years and had no problems with small flanges. In fact, I purposely went with small rail codes (70 in HO, 55 in N) and used the smallest flanged wheels I could get. No issues.

Mark in Oregon

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@Strummer posted:

Funny... I was into HO and N for quite a few years and had no problems with small flanges. In fact, I purposely went with small rail codes (70 in HO, 55 in N) and used the smallest flanged wheels I could get. No issues.

Mark in Oregon

It may be that I didn’t lay my track as smoothly as I should have.  As far as N scale steam goes, I had trouble with the pilot wheels lifting off the track on curves and staying off the track.  The engine would still move along the track fine, but the pilot wheels bumped along the ties.  These engines were purchased in the mid ‘80s and were modestly priced.  The HO diesel I purchased in the late ‘60s wasn’t so bad.  It was steam I had trouble with.  Probably me.  To this day, I have trouble making anything level or square.  So I will say, the larger flanges are more forgiving.

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