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Hot Water, I read and enjoy some of the post, as well as corrective answers that folks get, not unlike myself!  I don't know if you were working the "3985" when it came to Ky to Pull the Santa Clause train from basically Huntington, Wva to Kingsport Tenn back about 1992. I brought a group of C&O retired engineers over to the Huntington yard facility where the UP train was, to take pictures, and when walking the train from front to back end. There was a big gentleman came out on the back platform of the Obs car, to see what we wanted. I introduced the group, and when I told him the old fellows that I was with, were retired C&O Steam Engineers, he immediately asked us aboard, to sit around a big conference table to talk steam locomotives. They immediately started compairing the Big Boy/Challengers with the Alleghenies, and the 844 Northerns with the Greenbriars of the C&O. It was quite interesting to listen to all of the conversations of the comparisons between the UP and C&O fleet of steam power. Steve Lee was present and sat beside me. I asked him what the horse power was on the big challenger, and he told me it was rated at 5500 draw bar horsepower, and when he got the green light to do a shake down run, they uncoupled 20,000hp worth of diesel locomotives, from a soon to leave train, hooked the challenger up to this train, did an air test, then had that tonnage up to speed with the challenger, quicker than they could with the diesel consist. There was another fellow that came into the car to sit and talk with the group, could that have been "Hot Water", as Steve said that this my fireman! They had the fire out of the challenger at this time, and Steve said they were doing work to the oil burner, and one of the lubricators. I was telling him about my experience firing #6 Oil with boilers, and process heaters at the Oil Refinery that they would pass when heading to Tenn, just outside Catlettsburg, Ky. Were you the fireman?

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Brandy,

 

I didn't arrive in Huntington that early, so that was not me, back there in the observation car. Steve's two Firemen, at that time, were Lynn Nystrom, and Bob Krieger. However, Bob Krieger was actually a promoted Engineer, and whenever they need two engine crews, I then fired for Krieger, and Nystrom fired for Steve.

 

I and my 3 "chasing buddies" showed up in Huntington, the morning of their departure for the deadhead move down to Johnson City on the Clinchfield RR. I was called upon to, "Quit take'n pictures, and get to work, we need two crews for this mess!". And so it went.

Excuse the ramblings to ask a question, but you know that the world is a small place, especially when you go to Viet Nam and meet a guy that you played baseball and football against when in high school.  The one old engineer that I had with me was Lon "Junior" Venters, he was hired off a school yard in Pikeville,Ky at 14 years old(1942) to learn to be a Fireman. He later got enough seniority to fire and engineer on the C&O Passenger that ran from Russell,Ky to Elkhorn City. That was where C&O exchanged with the Clinchfield RR for many years. Now the crew change is at Shelbyanna, Ky, and it's all CSX. When Junior retired it was 1992. I was at his retirement, when he received his 50 year pen, which in this day is something to be said!   Thanks for the communi-K Hot Water, Oh one other thing, did you ever fire or run one of the Pennsy J1/J1a's. I use to see them at the Pennsy Yard Roundhouse service tracks in the early fifties when I was a kid. They were too big for the roundhouse and turn table, so their servicing was on tracks east side of the turntable.  Also lots and lots of K4's as they use to pull the "South Wind from Chicago-Indianapolis-Louisville, then the L&N would take it on south to Georgia and Atlantic Coast Line would take this varnish to Jacksonville, Fl, where the old Florida East Coast RR taking it on to Miami. **** here I'm rambling again..... Sorry Brandy

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