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I am trying to fix the smoke unit in a Lionel TMCC 4-4-2 Steam Engine. The problem is the voltage is always 19 volts (track voltage), even if I use the remote to turn off the smoke. I understand it should be 12 volts when in normal mode, and 18 volts in boost mode. 19 volts is just burning up the heating element. I'm figuring one of the circuit boards is bad, but don't know which one. Any ideas would be helpful. Many thanks.

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That's really great information. I had no idea that these train's electronics were repairable.

 

Also, when I switch direction the rear headlight doesn't light up and the front headlight stays lit, so I'm leaning towards just replacing the board. It seems like something bad happened to the board. But, maybe I should try replacing that triac and the rear headlight transistor (is that a transistor?) first. 

I can confirm that the replacement of a smoke triac is a simple job. A couple of years ago I had a smoke problem with a K-Line Berkshire. I posted here and Gunrunner John guided me through the diagnosis and provided the same Digikey part number, which I ordered and installed. You need to be careful but anybody with decent soldering skills can do it. One piece of advice, for this or any other work on a PC board - use a low powered soldering pencil with a narrow or pointed tip. Mine is a 12-watt (that's right, TWELVE watt) Weller and it provides plenty of heat for replacing PC board components. 

 

Another piece of advice - double check for shorts in the smoke unit. That engine has an old-style puffer smoke unit and the feed to the heater element can get grounded out against the body if the insulation is damaged or out of place. That happened on the Berkshire I mentioned above, and the short was the reason the smoke triac blew. 

 

With regard to the backup light issue - try a full reset of the TMCC before replacing the board or changing any components. Those sorts of bugs can often be corrected with a reset. It might or might not work, but it's cheaper and easier than changing parts. Also, be sure all the boards and connectors are well seated. For some reason, things tend to come loose on that particular model. I've had two of them and they both had a habit of loosening up no matter how carefully I set the boards. 

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If you diagnose the board light triac as bad, those are also replaceable and also quite cheap.  They are a bit harder to get to.  I normally just bend those back and forth and break the leads, then suck out the little bits of leadin the board one at a time.  I actually do that for smoke triacs as well, it's not like you have to save the old part.

 

The reset is the first thing to try, for that locomotive the reset code is AUX1-4, steamer with smoke.

 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

If you diagnose the board light triac as bad, those are also replaceable and also quite cheap.  They are a bit harder to get to.  I normally just bend those back and forth and break the leads, then suck out the little bits of leadin the board one at a time.

 

If you are unfamiliar with removing components, these types of products will keep the desoldering from sucking, by sucking

 http://www.amazon.com/Parts-Ex...dering/dp/B00QTGEL18

 

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Just installed the replacement circuit board. Smoke unit turns on and off and reverse light works now (front light doesn't turn off). However, I can only get 17.1 volts or off. If I press <eng>1<aux1>8, then it turns off. If i press <eng>1<aux1>9, then 17.1 volts. If I hold 9 down, it doesn't boost. I can't press 8 to toggle on/off, because it just turns it off no matter what. I followed the steps to reset to steam engine by selecting option <prog switch on><eng>1<aux1>4<set><prog switch off>.

 

I must be missing something. Perhaps there's still something burned out? I thought it was supposed to run at 12 volts, and then there was also a boost mode that was 18 volts.

 

My track voltage is 19.2 volts.

 

Thanks for your help last time. I think we're making progress.

 

Best regards,

SacramentoNorthern

FWIW, your track voltage is too high, 19V is the MAXIMUM specified for TMCC/Legacy.  I recommend no more than 18V on the track.

 

As far as the smoke unit, that's a new one on me.  First thing I'd try is a new R2LC, just to see if there's something really odd with that one.  If it's boosted all the time, that's usually a shorted triac, but since the triac can turn it off, I'm not sure what is happening.

 

 

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