NotInWI posted:I don’t know if the 4014 will ever get East of the Mississippi, but I would sure like to see it without having to go that far west.
Ben
If that thing came to Chicago, game over.
Do you know if the 4014 will be available for public viewing on its way to Ogden? I kind of need some footage of it for a video I have in the works.
Hope the 4014 makes it. Or else it will become one of the epic fails of the year!
TrainMan1225 posted:NotInWI posted:I don’t know if the 4014 will ever get East of the Mississippi, but I would sure like to see it without having to go that far west.
Ben
If that thing came to Chicago, game over.
Well, FWIW 3985 made it to Chicago back in the 90's. Maybe its possible?
Hotwater, any clearance issues for the bigboy IF it ever came to Chicago?
Tranz4mr posted:Who will be the second engineer?
A better question is who will fire the 2 engines?
A better question is who will fire the 2 engines?
Apparently he overlooked his buddy Ted.
Hot Water posted:Tranz4mr posted:Who will be the second engineer?
A better question is who will fire the 2 engines?
A better question is who will fire the 2 engines?
Apparently he overlooked his buddy Ted.
It looks like Ted Schulte is the other engineer.
Who will fire? Austen, a retiree, someone else currently working with UP steam, an outside person
@trainroomgary - many thanks for posting the schedule. It will come right through Laramie on its way west, and again on its way east back to Cheyenne.
@NotInWI - I will take a video and post it here. @TrainMan1225 - same thing. Look for a post once I get a shot of it. I won't be here when it goes west, but will be here when it comes back again.
Joe
The video will be appreciated by me and my 7 year old boy.
Ben
OK, 844 and 4014 are coming from the East? Err, was there not a locomotive coming from the WEST 150 years ago?
Just be glad they are doing more than putting a copy of the old photo on an easel and calling it good.
Trains Magazine: Associate Editor Brian Schmidt and Digital Editor Steve Sweeney. Talk about the come back of the Big Boy 4014 and they will be in Cheyenne along with others from Trains Magazine to cover the Big Boy on May 4, following a 9:30 a.m. MT christening ceremony at the historic Cheyenne Depot and arrive in Ogden for the May 9 celebratory event culminating in the Big Boy joining with The Living Legend No. 844.
Source: Trains Magazine News Wire, March 15, 2019
To watch the video click this link:
http://trn.trains.com/photos-v...e-video-for-march-15
Note: Trains Magazine & The Union Pacific Railroad have posted the come back of the 4014 with AP, Associated Press.
Gary: Rail-fan
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So,, Baring any troubles it's still possible for 4014 to be at CWS in Omaha in June. I'm a wishin an a hopin!!!!
Come on Home Plate
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I have heard some bad news regarding to trip. Before posting I want to be sure it is not just rumor, but not thinking so. Sorry for being so vague. Maybe one of the other guys, (Kent, Gary) can give more info.
Kelly Anderson posted:You shouldn't hesitate to start a rumor. Others don't, and facts are strictly optional!
Thats what the internet was made for.
Kelly Anderson posted:You shouldn't hesitate to start a rumor. Others don't, and facts are strictly optional!
Generally, most don't believe the truth/facts anyway.
At least state the rumor and ask if anyone can verify it..
4014 will be ready to go in 2069?
Chuck Sartor posted:I have heard some bad news regarding to trip. Before posting I want to be sure it is not just rumor, but not thinking so. Sorry for being so vague. Maybe one of the other guys, (Kent, Gary) can give more info.
HI fellow member Chuck Sartor
Above is the latest official photo from the Union Pacific Steam Shop posted March 15, 2019. On the Union Pacific Steam Club Page by: an employe of the Union Pacific Railroad.
There is an old saying in journalism: “If your mother tells you she ‘Loves You’, then find three sources to back up this statement before going to press.”
If you would like to name your source on this thread or e-mail me the name of your source, I would look into your question.
Take care • Hope this helps • Gary: Rail-fan
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Meanwhile the new UP Steam logo that omits 3985.
3985 is also missing from the UP Steam Homepage...https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/
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Well,,,,,,that finally confirms just what the current manager has been saying privately since the winter of 2010/2011, i.e. "The 3985 will NEVER run again, so long as I'm in charge!".
Tranz4mr posted:UP 4014 Cab - right side March 2019
So,,,,they are going all the way to Ogden, Utah and back without ANY insulation or jacketing on the whole backhead?
Hot Water posted:Tranz4mr posted:UP 4014 Cab - right side March 2019
So,,,,they are going all the way to Ogden, Utah and back without ANY insulation or jacketing on the whole backhead?
Or, as you very well know. They are sorting all of the backhead pipes, valves, gauges, etc.. before just guessing in where to drill holes in the jacketing.
People listen to you Hotwater. While you are very much in your right to have animosity towards the current administration of UP Steam management. I cannot help to wonder why are you just trolling? It’s beneath your well earned place in the steam community.
eldodroptop posted:Hot Water posted:Tranz4mr posted:UP 4014 Cab - right side March 2019
So,,,,they are going all the way to Ogden, Utah and back without ANY insulation or jacketing on the whole backhead?
Or, as you very well know. They are sorting all of the backhead pipes, valves, gauges, etc.. before just guessing in where to drill holes in the jacketing.
With that statement, I'll have to assume that you have not been involved in a steam locomotive major overhaul or restoration. Look carefully at that photo, and you will see that virtually everything has been reinstalled, even the fancy wood flooring. Now, given the short time remaining, there is no way that all that stuff that has already been installed, will be removed for insulation and jacketing application.
Hot Water posted:eldodroptop posted:Hot Water posted:Tranz4mr posted:UP 4014 Cab - right side March 2019
So,,,,they are going all the way to Ogden, Utah and back without ANY insulation or jacketing on the whole backhead?
Or, as you very well know. They are sorting all of the backhead pipes, valves, gauges, etc.. before just guessing in where to drill holes in the jacketing.
With that statement, I'll have to assume that you have not been involved in a steam locomotive major overhaul or restoration. Look carefully at that photo, and you will see that virtually everything has been reinstalled, even the fancy wood flooring. Now, given the short time remaining, there is no way that all that stuff that has already been installed, will be removed for insulation and jacketing application.
Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
eldodroptop posted:Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
Well, I for one can't imagine installing lagging and jacketing with all that hardware already applied. Unless the jacketing will be made up of hundreds of little puzzle-pieces that will need to be placed around and under the plumbing. How will the lagging be installed?
That is going to be one HOT cab!
smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
Well, I for one can't imagine installing lagging and jacketing with all that hardware already applied. Unless the jacketing will be made up of hundreds of little puzzle-pieces that will need to be placed around and under the plumbing. How will the lagging be installed?
That is going to be one HOT cab!
That’s just it, you don’t apply all that jacketing with EVERYTHING already installed. You assemble everything, make templates, work the new sheetmetal, dissemble the backhead “stuff” as needed for final assembly, then do final installation of the insulation and finished jacketing. It is the right way to do the job, and it is indeed as it sounds.. Frustrating and time consuming.
eldodroptop posted:smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
Well, I for one can't imagine installing lagging and jacketing with all that hardware already applied. Unless the jacketing will be made up of hundreds of little puzzle-pieces that will need to be placed around and under the plumbing. How will the lagging be installed?
That is going to be one HOT cab!
That’s just it, you don’t apply all that jacketing with EVERYTHING already installed. You assemble everything, make templates, work the new sheetmetal, dissemble the backhead “stuff” as needed for final assembly, then do final installation of the insulation and finished jacketing. It is the right way to do the job, and it is indeed as it sounds.. Frustrating and time consuming.
Just because I don't know, what is your experience in the steam community?
eldodroptop posted:smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
Well, I for one can't imagine installing lagging and jacketing with all that hardware already applied. Unless the jacketing will be made up of hundreds of little puzzle-pieces that will need to be placed around and under the plumbing. How will the lagging be installed?
That is going to be one HOT cab!
That’s just it, you don’t apply all that jacketing with EVERYTHING already installed. You assemble everything, make templates, work the new sheetmetal, dissemble the backhead “stuff” as needed for final assembly, then do final installation of the insulation and finished jacketing. It is the right way to do the job, and it is indeed as it sounds.. Frustrating and time consuming.
How do you accurately lay a piece of sheet metal over an installed valve handle that sticks out four inches from the backhead, and know where to drill the hole? Far easier to make templates with everything removed. Notice there are air lines installed. Why did they need to be installed before the jacket?
I think I agree with Hot Water that nit appears from your statement that you don't have much experience in steam locomotive restoration.
TexasSP posted:eldodroptop posted:smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
Well, I for one can't imagine installing lagging and jacketing with all that hardware already applied. Unless the jacketing will be made up of hundreds of little puzzle-pieces that will need to be placed around and under the plumbing. How will the lagging be installed?
That is going to be one HOT cab!
That’s just it, you don’t apply all that jacketing with EVERYTHING already installed. You assemble everything, make templates, work the new sheetmetal, dissemble the backhead “stuff” as needed for final assembly, then do final installation of the insulation and finished jacketing. It is the right way to do the job, and it is indeed as it sounds.. Frustrating and time consuming.
Just because I don't know, what is your experience in the steam community?
I saw a Steam Locomotive once? Hehehehe!!
But this is not about restoration of a Steam Locomotive, this is common fabrication. It’s not a lost art, nor is it witchcraft.
smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
Well, I for one can't imagine installing lagging and jacketing with all that hardware already applied. Unless the jacketing will be made up of hundreds of little puzzle-pieces that will need to be placed around and under the plumbing. How will the lagging be installed?
That is going to be one HOT cab!
That’s just it, you don’t apply all that jacketing with EVERYTHING already installed. You assemble everything, make templates, work the new sheetmetal, dissemble the backhead “stuff” as needed for final assembly, then do final installation of the insulation and finished jacketing. It is the right way to do the job, and it is indeed as it sounds.. Frustrating and time consuming.
How do you accurately lay a piece of sheet metal over an installed valve handle that sticks out four inches from the backhead, and know where to drill the hole? Far easier to make templates with everything removed. Notice there are air lines installed. Why did they need to be installed before the jacket?
I think I agree with Hot Water that nit appears from your statement that you don't have much experience in steam locomotive restoration.
For what its worth I've seen paper templates used multiple times before for making backhead jacketing. They are later laid out and fit to the actual sheet metal for fitting so perhaps that is what he is referring to.
I looked over this photo again:
The hardware appears placed directly against the blackhead, with no allowance whatsoever for the thickness of the lagging.
They could very likely not be placing lagging on the backhead and that's been done before and in fact the SRC on #475 and #90 do the same thing.
smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:smd4 posted:eldodroptop posted:Bull.
That is exactly how it’s done when you are making major changes to the back head “plumbing” and further, you have zero reference material (Old jacketing). Assemble EVERYTHING, get it right, make templates, then work the new jacketing. It’s a process that is not exclusive to rebuilding steam, sir.
Well, I for one can't imagine installing lagging and jacketing with all that hardware already applied. Unless the jacketing will be made up of hundreds of little puzzle-pieces that will need to be placed around and under the plumbing. How will the lagging be installed?
That is going to be one HOT cab!
That’s just it, you don’t apply all that jacketing with EVERYTHING already installed. You assemble everything, make templates, work the new sheetmetal, dissemble the backhead “stuff” as needed for final assembly, then do final installation of the insulation and finished jacketing. It is the right way to do the job, and it is indeed as it sounds.. Frustrating and time consuming.
How do you accurately lay a piece of sheet metal over an installed valve handle that sticks out four inches from the backhead, and know where to drill the hole? Far easier to make templates with everything removed. Notice there are air lines installed. Why did they need to be installed before the jacket?
I think I agree with Hot Water that nit appears from your statement that you don't have much experience in steam locomotive restoration.
The templates are not made of sheetmetal. The templates are made from (in my experience) cardboard, or construction paper, or newspaper, or most anything you prefer to get the job done.
Assemble everything, make a “paper” template of the exact size and hole spacing you need, trace the template to the finish material, then work that material, paint, remove valves or anything needed for reassembly, then reassembly and finishing.
Be it any type of fabricating work, the motto of measure twice, cut once holds true.
AmeenTrainGuy posted:So how many people are actually certified to run the BigBoy?
Give me any younger, experienced, FRA "certified" Engineer, male or female, that REALLY knows & understands train handling and their assigned district, plus the rules, and within an hour he/she could be taught how to run 4014, or any other large steam locomotive. That said, the current manager has stated more than once, that he is the ONLY "steam certified Engineer on the UP system".
You know guys...I am getting very tired of getting tons of alerts to these kinds of threads. The personal comments are getting old. Sometimes I wonder why we even have a "real trains" forum since our magazine is focused more on the enjoyment of the hobby. The arguments, know-it-alls, and just plain uninformed discussion sets a pretty poor example. Clean it up and that goes for the "experts"....surely I don't have to start naming names.
OK, asbestos is out. What is used for lagging?
Dominic Mazoch posted:OK, asbestos is out. What is used for lagging?
Fiberglass, or thereabouts.
