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A few weeks ago I received an unsolicited DVD from the other major Train publisher. This is not the first time this has happened.

 

I received a notice from them today wanting me to pay for the DVD or to return the DVD that was sent to me. This is starting to get old. It the past I just keep it and moved on.

 

I'm sure many of you on the forum receive these unsolicited DVD's also.

 

According to the USPS website, any unsolicited items you receive in the mail can be marked return to sender, thrown away or just keep it as a free gift. You are not obligated to pay for any unsolicited merchandise.

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You are correct in that you didn't ask for it so it is yours free of charge.  According to the postal regulations, they are subject to being fined if they subsequently ask to be paid for it.  You might send them a note in their postpaid envelope pointing this out and telling them you'll report them to your postmaster if they persist.

Originally Posted by Gerry Burns:

 

According to the USPS website, any unsolicited items you receive in the mail can be marked return to sender, thrown away or just keep it as a free gift. You are not obligated to pay for any unsolicited merchandise.

That is correct!  I just keep them if I want to keep them, and toss anything that I don't wish to retain.  Unlike some others, I cannot be "shamed" into buying something I did not order or request.

 

I have no intent of going to the time, trouble, and expense of returning unsolicited items.

 

The first one I received from that source was actually pretty good.  I've watched it a couple of times.  

Last edited by Allan Miller

Hi, I received 1 of those DVDs also a couple of weeks ago.  I watched it then filed it with the other ones I received from them a few years ago.  The nice thing about the vids a few years ago is that they were sending these nice RR coins also.  I still have the few vids that I kept without paying and the coins.  I'm really surprised that they would try this again.

 

Rick

Originally Posted by Allan Miller:
Originally Posted by Gerry Burns:

 

According to the USPS website, any unsolicited items you receive in the mail can be marked return to sender, thrown away or just keep it as a free gift. You are not obligated to pay for any unsolicited merchandise.

That is correct!  I just keep them if I want to keep them, and toss anything that I don't wish to retain.  Unlike some others, I cannot be "shamed" into buying something I did not order or request.

 

I have no intent of going to the time, trouble, and expense of returning unsolicited items.

 

The first one I received from that source was actually pretty good.  I've watched it a couple of times.  

everyone read this from Allan

 

"I cannot be "shamed" into buying something I did not order or request."

 

because that is all it is!!

Last edited by bigdodgetrain

Every time this comes up, I have to just shake my head. It's a free model railroad DVD! The material clearly states that you're under no obligation to return it and you may consider it as a gift. Obviously, they have to ask for the sale. They do that by attempting to make you feel guilty for not responding. It's called Marketing 101. See it for what it is, then sit down and watch your free DVD.

 

Merry Christmas!

Good grief, Charlie Brown.

 

Lessee.... I suppose we can throw into this discussion all of the return address labels, happy stickers, generic greeting cards, native American-made knick-knacks, bookmarks, magnetic calendars to grace refrigerator walls, etc., etc., etc. ....all unsolicited merchandise...so plentiful in my post box in the last quarter of each and every year, all from suitors of subsidies of seemingly worthy causes.  Boy, what a drag!  There must be a way to stop this!?!?!

 

 

OK, we understand.  You don't like Kalmbach Publishing.  Of course, this is just a duplicate complaint from the rant left on Kalmbach's forum, right?  For OGR's benefit...right?

 

I'd MUCH sooner get this "unsolicited merchandise" in the mail than the 10+ times/week unsolicited phone calls from a computer or paid stooge trying to convince me to replace the windows in my 2-year old house, remind me for the umpteenth time that the warranty on my car is about to expire (2 years ago!), or that my credit card balance (paid off each month) is suffering cardiac arrest without immediate authorization for a new, upgraded card,...etc., etc., etc..  And, I can HARDLY wait for the unsolicited EVERYTHING in advance of next year's elections!!

 

I got the same DVD.  The message clearly said it was free.  I played it at the store (LHS) on our Trains Dept. DVD player for customers and employees for an 8-hour day. Hey, it's free entertainment!  I then decided we'd seen enough, put it into the envelope, checked the 'no more' box, put it into the mailbox on the way home.  Big deal.  (Boy, that was tough!)

 

Merry Christmas.

 

  

Last edited by dkdkrd

Unsolicited = free. I got something like that once and sent a 3 sentence note thanking them for the gift. They STOPPED.

 

I also got a model RR DVD, but it clearly said you may keep this but we ask you to return it if you are not going to enroll for more purchases.

 

I did keep it. Haven't watched it.

 

If we don't make statements by our action then this thing will get worse, and worse.

Last edited by Michael Hokkanen

dkdkrd wrote:
Lessee.... I suppose we can throw into this discussion all of the return address labels, happy stickers, generic greeting cards, native American-made knick-knacks, bookmarks, magnetic calendars to grace refrigerator walls, etc., etc., etc. ....all unsolicited merchandise...so plentiful in my post box in the last quarter of each and every year, all from suitors of subsidies of seemingly worthy causes.
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Like dkdkrd, we never get anything worthwhile items, just the junky throwaways.  Wouldn't mind a worthwhile train freebie once in a great while (like a new PS3 engine ).  But our luck never runs that way.  SIGH... 

Originally Posted by JAMES STACK:

You guys make a BIG DEAL out of nothing - if you don't want it - throw it out or give it away.

 

You keep discussing these stupid topics to BURNOUT.

 

DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ON YOUR LAYOUT INSTEAD !!

Sorry, but I view guerrilla marketing tactics like this the same as unsolicited robo-calls that wheedle their way around the "Do Not Call" lists.

 

Rusty

Originally Posted by JAMES STACK:

You guys make a BIG DEAL out of nothing - if you don't want it - throw it out or give it away.

 

You keep discussing these stupid topics to BURNOUT.

 

DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ON YOUR LAYOUT INSTEAD !!

Now here is a man who knows what he is talking about. Heed his advice!!

 

This subject comes up a couple times a year------enough already!!!!

Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:
Originally Posted by JAMES STACK:

You guys make a BIG DEAL out of nothing - if you don't want it - throw it out or give it away.

 

You keep discussing these stupid topics to BURNOUT.

 

DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ON YOUR LAYOUT INSTEAD !!

Sorry, but I view guerrilla marketing tactics like this the same as unsolicited robo-calls that wheedle their way around the "Do Not Call" lists.

 

Rusty

I have found with robo-calls is that after answer you just put down the phone and go on with your business. When they finally get to a point that they need a response from you they find out your not there and they just wasted their time. Worked for me, I never get robo-calls now. 

I see this as an example of crossing a line in terms of aggressive sales techniques and this particular company also places very in your face advertisements as "pop-ups" that will not let you proceed ( even if you are a subscriber) unless you interact with them to shut them off. I think this sort of thing is in bad taste..the word rude comes to mind. After the eight millionth time of seeing the same freaking ad in my face that I have to shut off, I do not visit there often. BTW..it is a big deal to me when I pay to play. I made the fatal error of suggesting Frank 53's site as a great place to visit and guess what? I was banned from the forum there for simply making a suggestion, even though I was a subscriber.

Here is a suggestion or two:

 

If you are a member of a club you can collect all the unwanted videos, and at the next train show, give them out to people who show an interest in the hobby.  Or you could offer them as a raffle.  Have people submit their email addresses to win and use the list to advertise club events to the public.

 

Mike A.

Originally Posted by david1:
Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:
Originally Posted by JAMES STACK:

You guys make a BIG DEAL out of nothing - if you don't want it - throw it out or give it away.

 

You keep discussing these stupid topics to BURNOUT.

 

DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ON YOUR LAYOUT INSTEAD !!

Sorry, but I view guerrilla marketing tactics like this the same as unsolicited robo-calls that wheedle their way around the "Do Not Call" lists.

 

Rusty

I have found with robo-calls is that after answer you just put down the phone and go on with your business. When they finally get to a point that they need a response from you they find out your not there and they just wasted their time. Worked for me, I never get robo-calls now. 

I never give a verbal response to robo-calls.  Don't even say "hello" anymore until a live person says something on the other end.  However, the robots keep calling... 

 

Most of the time I hear three clicks as the robot resets, then a dial tone.  Some are already jabbering away as I'm putting the phone to my ear.

 

The latest one's been from "John in Shipping" trying to push a Life-Alert kind of thing that's already "paid for."  All I have to do is give shipping information. 

 

Yeah, right...

 

Another one begins something like "There's nothing wrong with your credit card,  We've sent you three courtesy letters before we close this investigation..."

 

I've never received those so-called letters and I never say anything.

 

I once had a robo-call that tied up my phone for twenty minutes.  I hung up, picked up the phone a few minutes later and it was still going strong.

 

They go away for a while, then come back a few months later with no prompting from me.

 

Rusty

The reason I like this Topic is simple, I am a born complainer. I have

received this DVD.  I have watched it, and enjoyed it.  I have never,

and never will send it back.

 

The publication in question has never written and demanded payment.  

Once they do, good night sweet heart, good night.  Canceled. I have read

the comments above, you all make excellent points.

 

Many thanks,

 

Billy C

 

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