Weekend tinplate photos 📸 and videos 🎥 4/16/20!

American Flyer Steel Mogul - 1930

Catalog 

...and the set

Running test for the Lionel 763e, definitely needs 072 tracks to be happy. Next step finding matching set of freight or passenger cars.

Have a nice weekend and be safe,  Daniel

Good things come in small packages ?

Hoping so 'cos this week is thin on the ground for me for newies but I did just find a JKO ( Kraus ) tender to slot in compliment my existing Kraus

Should slot in OK between my 20V loco and carriages ?

One more Flyer tank car:

Thanks, Chris, for keeping this Friday tradition going. I've added a third small radius loop to my European-themed layout.

A bit tinkering this week, first I had repaired some lights.

Heinrich Fischer

Tipp & Co

Heinrich Fischer

Distler

For a Carette station, I had made a new fence

And a few news, which arrived today

Left Kibri newspaper building and Groetsch gate, middle Karl Bub train indicator with light, right Distler small station and Wimmer (HWN) barrier.

Arne

JKE: NONPAREIL Marklin layout and trains, as always! THANKS for sharing!

Sure do miss our Dutch friend, Fred! 

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Running test for the Lionel 763e, definitely needs 072 tracks to be happy. Next step finding matching set of freight or passenger cars.

Have a nice weekend and be safe,  Daniel

Daniel, the Grey 763E could have come with the Blue Comet 2613/4/5 cars and 2800 series freight cars which I think you already have some of.

Here's a few recent additions to my upstairs bedroom layout. Been looking for the Marx windup crane that is shown in old catalogs with the Marx Trucking Terminal. They are far and few between so I settled for a Hans Biller windup crane which seems to be the same size as the Marx.

Replaced my K-Line/Marx like plastic diner with a nice tinny one.

Thanks to all for all the great pictures and stay safe.

Dean

DANIEL: Is your NICE gray 763E actually the much desired gunmetal finish? THANKS in advance!

Tinplate Art posted:

DANIEL: Is your NICE gray 763E actually the much desired gunmetal finish? THANKS in advance!

Yes Art, it is an original Lionel from 1938-40. The body of the loco has been painted black so when I got it I try to do a new gunmetal paint, not easy to match but I am pleased with it for the moment. If i could find a better matching paint I will redo it. Finding a good match to the original gunmetal color is very hard.

Daniel

a few new acquisitions recently:

Flyer 231 coaling station, the top is all there, but I am going to have to make some legs for it.

JEP passenger "set" which I bought for the clockwork locomotive

and this yet to be identified station that I really liked for the lithography. Can't go wrong at 10 bucks. I believe it is Issmayer and missing a canopy on the other side but unsure of the year.

Dennis Holler posted:

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Running test for the Lionel 763e, definitely needs 072 tracks to be happy. Next step finding matching set of freight or passenger cars.

Have a nice weekend and be safe,  Daniel

Daniel, the Grey 763E could have come with the Blue Comet 2613/4/5 cars and 2800 series freight cars which I think you already have some of.

Dennis, I have a blue comet set and no loco to match but they are the first models product and my 800 series freight are older and not period for the loco. I was thinking buying a set of 2613-14-16 passenger cars in two  ton green, I find they are very attractive. I have seen some on your pictures and they look really nice.

Daniel

Daniel:  IAW my references the 2613-14-16 came in sets with either the 226, 263 or 763 loco.  Note that the 2613  series came in state green or blue .  The 613-14-16 which is the same car except it does not have the "box" couplers came with many more engines but still included the 763.  The interesting thing is that the 613 series did NOT come in green but it did come in terra cotta / cream and red / light red as well as the blue / silver Blue Comet livery.  Both the 613 and the 2613 series in blue/silver were nicknamed the O' gauge Blue Comet when pulled by the blue 263E loco.   So with your 763 you could pull Green, Terra Cotta, Light Red, or Blue passenger cars depending on whether you went with the 613 or 2613 series and both look about the same except for the couplers. 

Of course regardless of what its pulling the 763E is MAGNIFICENT!

Best Regards, Don McErlean

Jim O'C posted:

a few new acquisitions recently:

and this yet to be identified station that I really liked for the lithography. Can't go wrong at 10 bucks. I believe it is Issmayer and missing a canopy on the other side but unsure of the year.

Jim,

yes it´s Issmayer from the 20s. You can see a smaller previev of the complete Issmayer book at Blurb, a similar station is on page 196.

Issmayer

Greetings

Arne

New arrival yesterday. A Tinplate Traditions 10-1213-1 starter set from 2004.

Steve

A tinplate Madison Hardware by Sunset Trains & Toys

Steve

Early Uncataloged American Flyer Standard Gauge set.  Note the 4000 plates on engine, flat car, and caboose.

NWL

Don McErlean posted:

Daniel:  IAW my references the 2613-14-16 came in sets with either the 226, 263 or 763 loco.  Note that the 2613  series came in state green or blue .  The 613-14-16 which is the same car except it does not have the "box" couplers came with many more engines but still included the 763.  The interesting thing is that the 613 series did NOT come in green but it did come in terra cotta / cream and red / light red as well as the blue / silver Blue Comet livery.  Both the 613 and the 2613 series in blue/silver were nicknamed the O' gauge Blue Comet when pulled by the blue 263E loco.   So with your 763 you could pull Green, Terra Cotta, Light Red, or Blue passenger cars depending on whether you went with the 613 or 2613 series and both look about the same except for the couplers. 

Of course regardless of what its pulling the 763E is MAGNIFICENT!

Best Regards, Don McErlean

Don, many thanks for your comment. What I try to do is to make a set as period as possible. It is not always so easy but with time it finally happen. Of course finding those pieces in france is not so easy at all, but there is York and very good sellers in USA and also good friends so unfortunately it is just a question of available funds.... but that is part of fun.

Very best,  Daniel

One of three made in black. The normal Birthday loco was a wine color. The black boiler version for dealer Thoms Train Station ordered more locos to go with the cars still in inventory, but the factory had no more Wine colored boilers and cabs.

Steve

Ok so I started on friday only having a wee little Kraus tender to show folks... and 24 hours later ...

Seems I now own a Merkur set ... Made in Czechoslovakia I think C.1947-ish ... unfortunately missing the tender , but as it came with a spare drive unit and the full rake of freight wagons I cannot complain

I would like to get more info on this set if any other members know about it ... which is why it kinda sucks that the tinplate photos thread is still banished into this corner... So I will whack up a thread in tinplate as well .. apologies if that pee's anyone off

* This is why I loved this thread in the tinplate section so much, as it really often is about seeking info and sharing new finds without having to post seperately and a lot of the knowledgable folk come/came here ...

Merkur had its start in Czechoslovakia in 1920 and made both 0 gauge trains and construction sets up until tge Second World War. After the war the firm made trains and construction sets once again but the company became a state controlled company. Aftef the fall of communism the firm came into private hands and is producing a nice line of tinplate. German Wikopedia was a source for some of the information above and I have had the fine opportunity to meet the new owners numerous times.

Miketg

Posted this in Fatman's other Merkur thread...  I have the same engine, and always wondered whether or not it was supposed to have pilot wheels - apparently not.  Here's a pic of the tender that came with my engine.

I like the simplicity of Merkur, and the prices are reasonable.

Here is the link to the current Merkur line, some very nice items.

http://www.svetmerkur.cz/en/se...cond=nejprodavanejsi

Miketg

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Dennis Holler posted:

FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Running test for the Lionel 763e, definitely needs 072 tracks to be happy. Next step finding matching set of freight or passenger cars.

Have a nice weekend and be safe,  Daniel

Daniel, the Grey 763E could have come with the Blue Comet 2613/4/5 cars and 2800 series freight cars which I think you already have some of.

Dennis, I have a blue comet set and no loco to match but they are the first models product and my 800 series freight are older and not period for the loco. I was thinking buying a set of 2613-14-16 passenger cars in two  ton green, I find they are very attractive. I have seen some on your pictures and they look really nice.

Daniel

I agree the Green cars look great behind a Gunmetal loco, they would be a great choice, they can sometimes cost more than the Blue cars because they were only made one year, 1940 so they need to have the 1940 style tall coupler with the simulated knuckle on top and the cars do not have a coupler skirt like the early cars. Just couple of differences to look out for.

Thanks Dennis. I will try to find a set of green cars, I find they are very nice and as I also have a 226e with high box coupler they could be used with the two locos.

Daniel

FrenchTrains (Daniel):  First let me say that despite your log on name I did not pick up on the fact that you were actually in France until you mentioned the difficulty of finding Lionel !  I worked for NATO (yes I know France was not an official  member but had representatives on all our cooperative technology committees) for many years and was privileged to work with a number of extremely good French aviation engineers and to visit plants / test facilities in France a number of times.  In fact, up until I left the committee I chaired (Air Vehicle Technology) in the late 90's all our meetings were conducted in both French and English.

So what am I writing for...well to add to the wisdom you have already received I thought I would add just a little more confusion.  There is another series of passenger cars, which although they never came in a set with the big 763 actually look rather like the 613/2613 tinplate cars although somewhat smaller.  I know that you mentioned you like "time period correct" and these were made during the same late 30's early 40's time period as the 613/2613 cars.  These are the 1630 /2630 /2640 series which came in blue / silver (1630 & 2630) and the 2640 series which came in both blue/silver and green / cream .  Note all of these are basically the same car with differences in coupler types.  The "16/26" series cars are 9 1/2 " long vice the 613/2613 series which are 10 1/4 " long but their appearance is much the same. 

Well so what would be the advantage?  Well the "16/26" series came back AFTER THE WAR while the slightly larger cars did not  and they ran from 1946 through 1949 in some color schemes. This might give you a better chance of coming across a good set.  They all were numbered in the series "24XX" for  '46, '47, & '48 and then changed to a "64XX" series for 1949 and then were withdrawn.  They officially (post war) came with the engines numbered 221, 224, 675, 2025 & 2026 the latter two are " steam turbines".  While officially in 0-27 sets, the 224 & 675 were top of the line engines in their day and of course the steam turbine was Lionel's absolute top engine in most of the early post war years. Post war, color wise, these came in both blue, green, and brown (the most rare) .  Obvious differences pre / post war are the trucks and couplers.

Here is a picture of my pre-war 1630 /1630/1631 consist pulled (out of the picture) by a 1666 loco and tender.  While the set is pre-war the picture dates to about 1954 with the layout my Dad and I built in my parents basement - this was the first step up from an "around the tree only" layout  as in 1953 we finally moved out of rental homes into our own house (I was 9)  Note in the background is the turbine powered work train that "Santa" brought in 1947.  While I was too young to pay much attention, I suspect that Dad bought this passenger set "used" because I wanted some passenger trains to go with our freights and new ones would have been way too expensive for the family after finally being able to afford a  house. 

OK Daniel I wish you good luck with your search for the Lionel cars. 

Best Regards

Don McErlean

Thanks Don, I am French you are right. Lionel in France, good pieces, is not very easy to find in good condition and has been imported in very limited quantities, mainly post war models but a specialised shop in Paris sold models before the war, I have a french Lionel catalog from 1937 where you could find some nice models, 700e and M10000 also different streamlined models. 

Your suggestion is good but the 1630 /2630 /2640 series are small cars and they don't match with a 763e. I have several pre and post war models of thoses cars but I run them with a 224 675 671 loco, I also have a nice selection of post war models.... in fact may be too many things. As I had made some trips in USA it has been also a great opportunity to buy some Lionel models, especially standard gauge ones which are my preferred Lionel pieces.

Very best, Daniel

New cattle car added to the herd.

OK weekend tinplater's here is my contribution for this weekend.  While not nearly so rare as some pictured above, I find these little 6" Marx cars to be FUN to collect.  Here is a pair of early ones and the Hiteshew CD lists them as quite scarce (S6 and S5). I agree with Hiteshew, it is difficult to call almost anything of Marx as "rare" as he made large production runs of most items.  These two cars are more scarce really due to their short production runs rather than anything else.

The first is a red-frame 556 caboose from 1936-37.  The dating comes from a combination of clues, mostly the red/cream frame, early frame type, eyelet rivet couplers, and the "squat / heavy lettering of the "556" in a black lithographed rectangle.  The end has a raised panel litho door and 2 "porthole" windows each side of the door. 

The bottom car is quite scarce (for Marx) and is listed as an S6.  It only had one year of production 1938.  It has a sliding door and white lettering and logo for the CNW and its famous streamliners, the "400".  Early frame type, eyelet t/s couplers and a unique color scheme provide clues to the production date.  According to Hiteshew this car came in 3 basic color schemes , yellow/white lettering, brown/white lettering, and this one,  orange / white lettering.  He lists the yellow variant as slightly more scarce with the orange in the middle.  Why did Marx made such an elaborate litho scheme in 3 basic colors for only 1 year?  I guess that will remain a mystery - at least to me for now.

Enjoy the weekend everyone

Don McErlean

Saturday night 392 fever,,,,the blue is early mth I have never seen any other Stephen girard cars in this color,,they are factory,,,,the pennsy is ps2,,the comet cars are the classiest of the bunch 

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

A tinplate Madison Hardware by Sunset Trains & Toys

Steve

nice unit Steve. Have seen several Sunset T&T items become available recently.

Jim O'C posted:

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

A tinplate Madison Hardware by Sunset Trains & Toys

Steve

nice unit Steve. Have seen several Sunset T&T items become available recently.

I have a few others. Sold some others, just no room. I have a small Bingish engine shed that hasn’t seen daylight in a few years.

Steve

custom painted #9  (painted by me) takes over from the 392 to run into grand certral ,,,

Steve, I tried to find hat happened to Sunset T&T, are they out of business?

Joe

Southern Crescent 2 posted:

Steve, I tried to find hat happened to Sunset T&T, are they out of business?

Joe

Yes, other than making specialty items for the Ives Train Society etc, he is no longer producing regular sale items.

Steve

I've been doing a Flyer prewar O gauge streamliner theme for the weekend. Here is one of my favorites, the City of Denver UP streamliner, made 1936-39. The 1684 locomotive (power car) is an extra nifty cast shell inspired by the real UP City of Denver streamliner of 1936. The sheet metal cars use the same bodies as the chrome streamliner cars, but with some differences. Although they have plainer 4 wheel trucks (instead of 6-wheel on the chrome cars) and no window glazing, they have the added belly pans which makes for a nice looking train. And even though they have the similar semi-vestibule arrangement clipped to the adjacent car, no derailment issues for me as with the 6-wheel chrome cars.