Couple of us have already contacted @MrMuffin'sTrains. He’s interested but if Lionel agrees he will need at least 50 orders for it to happen. Here’s a video and a few pics. Post below if interested.
you can see the different shades of green. I want that style of lettering Kline used What’s it called? Kind of like the darker green on my MTH Hudson
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Whose model is the one in your top two photos Gary? I like the darker tender and green on that one as well. We have the K-Line model at our club and I find the light green 'odd' more often than not. They have an amazing level of detail however and are beautiful locomotives!
I am offering my similar B&M Legacy Berk in the FS thread if anyone wants one NOW :-)
Tops to photos are a HO engine, you can find in my other thread about where the berk whistle is located
I’d be interested
Just curious, what is the prototype history of the green B&A berk? I recently picked up one of the K-Line ones. I am set on getting one of the Vision Class A engines and I want to pick up a few other things, but I'd add this to the list of serious contenders for things I'd consider.
I spoke with Mr Muffin about this as well. I’m in!
I thought you were referring to a solar or wind powered loco with a title of:
@0-Gauge CJ posted:Just curious, what is the prototype history of the green B&A berk? I recently picked up one of the K-Line ones. I am set on getting one of the Vision Class A engines and I want to pick up a few other things, but I'd add this to the list of serious contenders for things I'd consider.
Most of the history. Has been lost to time. I’ve been told one berk and one Hudson were painted this way for some special event in the late 30’s. Others have stated it was normal practice for several engines to be painted this way. Their are no known color pics of this. Most if not all in the know have left us. So were berks Hudson painted this way on the B&A? To some extent yes.
I think I'd be concerned about the color with Lionel. Can you spec out the paint in advance?
50 pieces is a huge investment. Hope the project comes together.
@MichRR714 posted:I think I'd be concerned about the color with Lionel. Can you spec out the paint in advance?
50 pieces is a huge investment. Hope the project comes together.
I could be wrong, but I believe dealers have a little more say/control when it’s a custom run for them. At least that’s what I’ve been told.
@MichRR714 posted:I think I'd be concerned about the color with Lionel.
Me too. Lionel Great Northern green(s):
( not my photos)
I said I'd be interested Gary and here I am to say that again. I haven't been feeling well this weekend, but nothing serious. I'm on board.
I was able to find some "informal" paint information for an issue of a B&A O gauge Hudson. Evidently, the green color of the boiler and that of the tender differed. I referred the manufacturer to Bob Buck, now deceased, who owned Tucker's Hobbies. Bob saw these engines as a boy and, as a photographer and modeler, was able to view the manufacturer's samples of various greens and made that decision for them. (I originally received this manufacturer request as a Director of the NYCSHS.) This FWIW. I never followed up with Buck to try to determine how many Hudsons and Berkshires were painted this color. My understanding, however, is that it was more common on B&A Hudsons "as delivered". I do not have any information re how many, if any, Berks were painted in these shades of green.
@Hudson5432 posted:I was able to find some "informal" paint information for an issue of a B&A O gauge Hudson. Evidently, the green color of the boiler and that of the tender differed. I referred the manufacturer to Bob Buck, now deceased, who owned Tucker's Hobbies. Bob saw these engines as a boy and, as a photographer and modeler, was able to view the manufacturer's samples of various greens and made that decision for them. (I originally received this manufacturer request as a Director of the NYCSHS.) This FWIW. I never followed up with Buck to try to determine how many Hudsons and Berkshires were painted this color. My understanding, however, is that it was more common on B&A Hudsons "as delivered". I do not have any information re how many, if any, Berks were painted in these shades of green.
Cool story, ….soooo,…which mfr. got it right?..
Pat
MTH
BW photos online of the prototype 1426 Berk look like a lighter shade than the color of the MTH Hudson’s, more like the k-line Berk, but who knows. I’d post the photo here but it’ll get deleted since it’s not mine. Personally, I prefer the k-line green because it stands out.
Before we worry about the color, we’ll have to just get enough orders for the minimum.
One for me.
-Brian
If Mr Muffin does it, I’m in
@superwarp1 posted:Couple of us have already contacted @MrMuffin'sTrains. He’s interested but if Lionel agrees he will need at least 50 orders for it to happen. Here’s a video and a few pics. Post below if interested.
you can see the different shades of green. I want that style of lettering Kline used What’s it called? Kind of like the darker green on my MTH Hudson
Something to bring to Steve’s (Mr Muffins) attention is that the sand dome, & all the other piping & parts are all supposed to be black on this Berk. Only the boiler & the cylinders are green. K-line & MTH didn’t do this model correctly. The brass loco is correct. And I definitely think the darker green & darker silver for the front is the way to go. Let’s hope it happens! Cheers.
DJ
Seeing no color photos exist of this scheme or if a Berkshire was even painted this way. It’s hard to say What shades are correct. That brass model is a few years old and retailed for around $2500.00. I can’t imagine Lionel going to that level of detail paint wise. I hope you guys can get one made. Harry could probably detail one up like that. That brass version has to be one of the sharpest looking freight steamers ever made.
@Dave_C posted:Seeing no color photos exist of this scheme or if a Berkshire was even painted this way. It’s hard to say What shades are correct. That brass model is a few years old and retailed for around $2500.00. I can’t imagine Lionel going to that level of detail paint wise. I hope you guys can get one made. Harry could probably detail one up like that. That brass version has to be one of the sharpest looking freight steamers ever made.
These were indeed painted this way, and if Kline could get it close, why can’t it be done today?…..any painter worth his salt could accomplish this, …..it’s not an ancient Chinese secret…..😉
Pat
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Something to bring to Steve’s (Mr Muffins) attention is that the sand dome, & all the other piping & parts are all supposed to be black on this Berk. Only the boiler & the cylinders are green. K-line & MTH didn’t do this model correctly. The brass loco is correct. And I definitely think the darker green & darker silver for the front is the way to go. Let’s hope it happens! Cheers.
DJ
That would be fantastic, but I doubt you’d see that level of detail happen on a 3 rail die cast model…..especially on cast in details……not to say it can’t be done, but more than likely not happening ….so break out your finest pinstriping brush and go to town….😉
Pat
I'm just waiting for Steve to pop up and say "We're green lit" and ready to roll. With the catalog being somewhat of a yawn I guess you could say for me, this would be the best thing to come out from it. Now does that mean I'm sidelining the Class A? Well, sort of. Having a green Berkshire done up by Steve really puts it in a class by itself. I just can't wait.
Any idea of how many our number of interested folks in the green are at? I'm sure Steve would pick up one for himself as he always likes to have something that is his idea or project.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Any idea of how many our number of interested folks in the green are at? I'm sure Steve would pick up one for himself as he always likes to have something that is his idea or project.
No clue, haven't heard anything from @MrMuffin'sTrains since Friday. I think he's also working on a special run for the Class A as well.
@superwarp1 posted:No clue, haven't heard anything from @MrMuffin'sTrains since Friday. I think he's also working on a special run for the Class A as well.
Well, Steve is the miracle man as far as I'm concerned. He just sees the right things to do. I really would have been interesting if he could have gotten Lionel to bite on his Mohawk idea. They said no way right from go. It would have been something.
I’m confident Steve will get to 50 of these. But worst case scenario, I’d think Harry could custom paint sone of the black B&A units. His work is top notch
The only thing I would ad is don't use road number 1426. I more than likely will keep my Kline berks.
A short tender would be awesome!!!!!
@superwarp1 posted:The only thing I would ad is don't use road number 1426. I more than likely will keep my Kline berks.
A short tender would be awesome!!!!!
Make sure Steve knows that unless you already told him Gary.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Make sure Steve knows that unless you already told him Gary.
A new road number is great. Do we know what other road numbers were green? From what I can see, maybe 1425 and 1442?
@EricTrainMan posted:A new road number is great. Do we know what other road numbers were green? From what I can see, maybe 1425 and 1442?
No clue as I haven't talked with Steve. Whatever it would be would definitely be something that is searchable and real. Steve likes to get as real as possible. He cheated just a bit with the Pacific's in the last catalog, but it was somewhat close enough for some.
Well, we got the word from Lionel today and we are in for a green B&A Berkshire.... not added to my website yet - but will be - what road number? I hear the no #1426
We have a few more custom runs they have scheduled for us - more on that soon!
I’m in! Can’t wait.
Thank you, Steve!
-Brian
Hope Lionel uses the MTH molds of the NYC berkshire --the one that looks a bit like a niagara --sometime soon
@20centuryhudson posted:Hope Lionel uses the MTH molds of the NYC berkshire --the one that looks a bit like a niagara --sometime soon
The MTH P&LE Berk is a completely different model,…….
Pat
@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:Well, we got the word from Lionel today and we are in for a green B&A Berkshire.... not added to my website yet - but will be - what road number? I hear the no #1426
We have a few more custom runs they have scheduled for us - more on that soon!
#1425 would be fine or pic it out of a hat. No one knows which engines were painted green anyway. Can we have Roman lettering (font style) also????
Again, thanks for going to all the trouble. Now to decide if I should get it weathered?????
Now we need to bug Lionel for a proper caboose. This is the third run of this engine over the last twenty years. Kline didn't do a proper caboose, Lionel hasn't and it's about time. I'm going to bug Ryan when I see them in 1 1/2 weeks. Need others as well.
yes I know its different--just saying I hope they make it with all the Lionel features--its still classified as a berkshire
I don't know enough about the B&A, so I'll stick with Gary on the number.
Nice work Gary! This is an interesting thread. I hope these turn out great for all those peordering.
Who better than Mr. Muffins to make this happen!
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