will a new vision line locomotive be revealed at york this year?

I never been to York myself. Does Lionel often make mention of a new locomotive like this??

@BillYo414 posted:

I never been to York myself. Does Lionel often make mention of a new locomotive like this??

Well, the probability would be nil being that the latest catalog has already dropped. When they announced the Niagara, the catalog was going to be released that day(that is the first day of October's York), so it made sense to reveal it then. Usually asking any questions to Ryan about any future projects is going to get you nowhere. If he were to say anything, it would be so extremely vague that it could be anything. I know he had said to me that the next catalog(I think this was 2018) would have a lot of stuff for everyone. He may have said something a bit further, but again it was so board that it could have meant anything at all.

Having said that though, they have probably already worked out the next four years of what could be the next Vision Line engines. Typically these things don't happen overnight, so rest assured that whatever is going to be in next years catalog, has been in the works for no less than five years. This is because when they had worked on the brass hybrid American 4-4-0's, Ryan and Dave had said that they had been working on it for the past four or five years. We can only hope that there is a good variety of Vision Line engines in the works that will satisfy those who are hungry for something different.

Keep in mind that just because Lionel has acquired MTH Toolings, it doesn't mean that they will be working on these right out of the starting gate for the next catalog. However, there probably will be somethings that they will want to produce because they have not had them in Lionel's history. Most folks want to see a Triplex or something along those lines. This really does depend on what Lionel bought or if there was some other agreement made, hard to say exactly what.

Regardless, we will see things that Lionel has not produced but MTH has. Hopefully it will be something for everyone. I know I am hoping for Dreyfuss Hudson's to come down the pike at some point, but I will have to wait and see like everyone else.

Interesting @Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4. I had a different idea in my head of how it all worked. That was informative.

A Vision Line Triplex would be pretty awesome. The thought hadn't crossed my mind.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens at York!

@BillYo414 posted:

Interesting @Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4. I had a different idea in my head of how it all worked. That was informative.

A Vision Line Triplex would be pretty awesome. The thought hadn't crossed my mind.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens at York!

Here's the thing. If you know what engines they have produced, and produced consistently, you can sort of get a pretty good idea of what engines will be produced in the coming years. I think I had said before the catalog had come out one of the diesels that had not been produced in some time, I think SD35 or something like that. Well, I got lucky on that one.

So, that being said, that means that whatever engines they have toolings for are easy projects that don't need a lot of work to them other than maybe minor alterations if they can. When it comes to Vision Line Engines, they could possibly use old toolings, or not very old toolings to pop out a Vision Line Engine. They could also go forth and get new tooling to produce that, which of course costs a heck of a lot of money. Either way they have easier work with what they have, and hard work with what they don't have.

When they have done something new like Brass hybrids, it has been just like making a Vision Line Engine in that they have had to do quite a bit to get things right from the start. Yeah, they have to get license for whatever they are building, but also figuring out how things come together. When they were talking about the American 4-4-0's in that catalog, Dave was talking about how hard it was to get what they could in there. Ryan had also talked about going down to the wire on what the actual colors were on the 119 and Jupiter as they had a few different paint schemes on the real reproductions out in Utah. That was not the correct color according to Ryan research team, historians, etc., etc. They finally got the real color right before the cutoff to the catalog, which made Ryan pretty happy as he wanted the color right(yeah, color).

Now, about what they bought from MTH, this is the difficult part of the equation. Right now we only know what has been released, but again, you can sort of get maybe an idea or two of what would be money makers. We all know the 3 engines that were the big lawsuit engines, Dreyfuss Hudson, PRR T1, and the N&W Class A. Most of us are hoping they got those, if not that would be maybe a disappointment. However, also consider something else to this. In 2019 when the NJ HiRailers were hosting OGR's 50th Anniversary, Lionel and MTH were there. During that celebration, everyone had come up to speak(meaning Ryan and Andy) and it was said how they are on the road together representing their perspective companies. This would also mean Mike as well. So, perhaps, and this is a big perhaps it was already know that Mike would be retiring a year or two beforehand. That could mean that Lionel would have already had a good idea of what they wanted to see if they could buy from Mike.

Also consider though that it possible that Lionel has already been working on some of these other projects, maybe a Dreyfuss, maybe a PRR T1, and maybe the N&W Class A. It is a heck of a lot to digest, that much is certain. Why do I say this? For the same reason that most of the community is always telling the manufacturers what they want. Since I first went to York, I have said to Ryan on almost every occasion, that I would like to see a J3 Hudson, a Dreyfuss, a PRR T1, the Class A, and even the 4-4-0's. I had said the 4-4-0's mainly because I am a big steam engine fan, and had seen the Heisler that they produced, and thought it would be interesting to have a 4-4-0 that had smoke and be to scale. Well, little did I know that they already were working on it.

There are many other engines in the long list of engines that I don't think have ever been produced, and may not ever be produced because they would require new tooling or be made of brass. The other factor is of course would they sell. If it is not Santa Fe, Union Pacific, Northern Pacific, Pennsylvania, New York Central, and a few others they don't seem likely to be produced. Now of course I can't list all that is popular because heck, I don't know what the list is. Reason why is because it could be regional sales. You would imagine East Coast Lines sell better on the East, West Coast out there, Middle of the Country, you get the idea.

With all that being said, lets hope for somethings, not just one, but quite a few that will be making their way into the newest catalog when it comes out, and what we don't see in that, in the next. Here's hoping.

A new Vision Line locomotive at York would be very cool.  A Vision Line Triplex would be outstanding!

Hasn't been a vision line diesel in quite a while

@hclarke posted:

A new Vision Line locomotive at York would be very cool.  A Vision Line Triplex would be outstanding!

I doubt they would announce one at York since they are not popping out a catalog. The only thing you could be sure of is if you ask Ryan a question, he'll most likely say good things are coming, stay tuned or something like that.

@tom21pa posted:

Hasn't been a vision line diesel in quite a while

I think that it is overdue for a diesel or an electric. I would believe steam would not be the next Vision Line engine, but what do I know. 😆

I was under the impression that Lionel wasn't going to be at York this fall, so why would they introduce a new product there?

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I was under the impression that Lionel wasn't going to be at York this fall, so why would they introduce a new product there?

https://ogrforum.com/...3#157265375429367473

Sorry this took a bit John. On that topic Ryan said Lionel would indeed be at York. I actually had to hunt this topic down, and screenshot the reply by Ryan.

The brand new and exciting I am curious as to what that could be. I would imagine it is most likely something perhaps a sample of some of the in catalog items that use MTH tooling. I would highly doubt that it would be anything to come out in the next catalog.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

https://ogrforum.com/...3#157265375429367473

Sorry this took a bit John. On that topic Ryan said Lionel would indeed be at York. I actually had to hunt this topic down, and screenshot the reply by Ryan.

The brand new and exciting I am curious as to what that could be. I would imagine it is most likely something perhaps a sample of some of the in catalog items that use MTH tooling. I would highly doubt that it would be anything to come out in the next catalog.

Think Amtrak, think blue...

@das boot posted:

Think Amtrak, think blue...

Not an Amtrak guy, so you could tell me what it was and I still wouldn't know, unfortunately.

The last vision  line that Lionel came out with was a challenger and was a disaster quite a few things were not right and many new engines had to sent back for upgrade problems that should have been fixed at the factory!

@Alan Mancus posted:

The last vision  line that Lionel came out with was a challenger and was a disaster quite a few things were not right and many new engines had to sent back for upgrade problems that should have been fixed at the factory!

Actually last was the GS series of locomotives, which some of those had some issues. The current one is the 2-10-10-2's, see how they fair when they arrive. The Challenger's did have issues yes.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Actually last was the GS series of locomotives, which some of those had some issues. The current one is the 2-10-10-2's, see how they fair when they arrive. The Challenger's did have issues yes.

The Challenger issue was "it only hurts once".  Mine has been very good after the sound deal was squared away.  My Niagara went back also for an elecrical issue.  Once back, a wonderful engine.  I hope the 2-10-10-2 comes out well.  I hope for the best and expect the worse.  My GS-2 came out of the box perfect and has not missed a bit.  To the original topic, my gut is no VL announcement.  I will miss the MTH catalog and boxcar at York.

The Triplex would be awesome. Plus, Lionel could add some coal hoppers or other freight cars to go with it. I also want a Vision GEVO Hybrid again (this time in multiple liveries) as well as the Ethanol tank cars and other modern freight cars in multiple liveries. I'd love the SD70ACe-T4 and/or ET44AC/ET44C4 in several liveries.

I still want a Vision Line PRR T1 Duplex.  Even though I'm working on upgrading the scale TMCC version, I'd jump on the VL model in a heartbeat!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I still want a Vision Line PRR T1 Duplex.  Even though I'm working on upgrading the scale TMCC version, I'd jump on the VL model in a heartbeat!

I would as well John. Despite me not knowing what I was looking at back in the mid to late 90's on a poster card(of course the engine was all dirty from its work), seeing a model of it I sort of got a better appreciation for what it was. I really do hope that they got the lawsuit 3(that is the Dreyfuss, PRR T1 Duplex GRJ just said, and of course the N&W Class A). The only question would be what would they run first. With so many options to run in their catalogs, it really would be nice to see something that is not a giant catalog of stuff, and not a ton of reruns that have been in the catalog less than 5 years ago(though I will jump on a Y6B). If they are going to do anything, it is going to be sprinkles here and there of whatever MTH Tooling and their own.

@Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

The Challenger issue was "it only hurts once".  Mine has been very good after the sound deal was squared away.  My Niagara went back also for an elecrical issue.  Once back, a wonderful engine.  I hope the 2-10-10-2 comes out well.  I hope for the best and expect the worse.  My GS-2 came out of the box perfect and has not missed a bit.  To the original topic, my gut is no VL announcement.  I will miss the MTH catalog and boxcar at York.

That's great Bryant. I got my sounds fixed on my Challenger, my Niagara hasn't gotten out of the box yet unfortunately, hoping to change that sometime this year with a new layout big enough for those big engines. I do hope the 2-10-10-2 is as great as we can expect it to be. I didn't order any of the GS series engines, but saw there were only a few people that had issues with one of the types(don't remember which one(s). Lets hope all the colors are correct, including some dang graphite on the smoke box(where applicable). Also, I doubt there is going to be any cat out of the bag on a VL announcement. If anything Ryan will vaguely tease, "Big things coming in the new catalog" and that will be all we hear until it hits(unless there is a leak a week before the catalog is out).

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

it really would be nice to see something that is not a giant catalog of stuff, and not a ton of reruns that have been in the catalog less than 5 years ago(though I will jump on a Y6B).

I have the Legacy Y6b from a few years ago with the whistle steam and great sound, I don't need one of those.

Remember when Vision Line was suppose to be locomotives that have never been made yet?

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I have the Legacy Y6b from a few years ago with the whistle steam and great sound, I don't need one of those.

I have the TMCC version, good old 2200. I just missed coming back into the hobby at the right time. They had the weathered one in the first catalog I came back to. Sorry, no weathering for me.

@Traindiesel posted:

Remember when Vision Line was suppose to be locomotives that have never been made yet?

Yup. I have suggested some oddball steam engines to Ryan like the Prairie, but given the fact I have no earthly clue what railroads would have had them, doubt they'd sell anyway even if they went into fantasy paint schemes. American 4-4-0's we got as a hybrid, how about something like the Flying Scotsman, or some of those delightful looking English and European engines? Maybe they could be in the works. It would be great to have a model of the fastest steam engine, that is that broke the speed record way back in the day.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

I have the TMCC version, good old 2200. I just missed coming back into the hobby at the right time. They had the weathered one in the first catalog I came back to. Sorry, no weathering for me.

Yup. I have suggested some oddball steam engines to Ryan like the Prairie, but given the fact I have no earthly clue what railroads would have had them, doubt they'd sell anyway even if they went into fantasy paint schemes. American 4-4-0's we got as a hybrid, how about something like the Flying Scotsman, or some of those delightful looking English and European engines? Maybe they could be in the works. It would be great to have a model of the fastest steam engine, that is that broke the speed record way back in the day.

Agreed, a vision line model of the A4 pacific would be fantastic.

Whatever it is most of us can't afford it. If they even offer a Vision Line locomotive this time.

sierra railway 3 would make a really good new engine and they could have tons of paint schemes

@Traindiesel posted:

Remember when Vision Line was suppose to be locomotives that have never been made yet?

Yes, I do.  Unfortunately, that ship sailed a long time ago.

@feet posted:

Whatever it is most of us can't afford it. If they even offer a Vision Line locomotive this time.

Well that’s a positive way at looking at it,….let’s all stick our heads in the sand 🙄

Pat

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I still want a Vision Line PRR T1 Duplex.  Even though I'm working on upgrading the scale TMCC version, I'd jump on the VL model in a heartbeat!

A PRR T1 would be fantastic! I’ve seen a few photos on this forum of the scale lionel tooling and it seems to be very detailed. It would be a real treat if lionel made a vision line version. PRR seems to be a very good road for Lionel to turn a profit.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Not an Amtrak guy, so you could tell me what it was and I still wouldn't know, unfortunately.

Reading this thread, I was also thinking that Ryan will have some Amtrak news. This is following up on his teases during Train World's live show a few months back.

The blue is no doubt the "Midnight Blue" 50th Anniversary diesel. I think Lionel will also being announcing some additional Amtrak passenger cars and maybe even some new Amtrak sets.

Whatever it is, we will know soon.

@johnstrains posted:

Reading this thread, I was also thinking that Ryan will have some Amtrak news. This is following up on his teases during Train World's live show a few months back.

The blue is no doubt the "Midnight Blue" 50th Anniversary diesel. I think Lionel will also being announcing some additional Amtrak passenger cars and maybe even some new Amtrak sets.

Whatever it is, we will know soon.

I've been missing all the Train World Live shows except a few. I think I caught some of the Dave segments, but have missed out on a lot of times when Ryan was talking with Ken Jr. Miss catching so much working for a different company. At least I can hope some great things are coming our way.

@johnstrains posted:

Reading this thread, I was also thinking that Ryan will have some Amtrak news. This is following up on his teases during Train World's live show a few months back.

The blue is no doubt the "Midnight Blue" 50th Anniversary diesel. I think Lionel will also being announcing some additional Amtrak passenger cars and maybe even some new Amtrak sets.

Whatever it is, we will know soon.

Yes, they said they would make either a special announcement this fall or it would be in the 2022 V1 catalog.

(These of course being the old Railking toolings)

Okay I eat my words. Lionel booth has the newest VL engine that they will post later on this week or next week. It is the N&W Class A. I took a bunch of pictures with my camera and not my phone, so I'll post those later on tonight.

Ryan said this is all new tooling, so no MTH tooling was bought for the Class A. Also, in the picture when I post them, the engine looks shiny, that's because it is a 3D printed shell of it. I'll say that again when I post.

@Alan Mancus posted:

The last vision  line that Lionel came out with was a challenger and was a disaster quite a few things were not right and many new engines had to sent back for upgrade problems that should have been fixed at the factory!

"DISASTER" IS WAY TOO STRONG OF A WORD, IMHO.

I'M AS BIG OF A CRITIC AS BIG ORANGE HAS HAD OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO....AND YES....I WAS ANNOYED WHEN I HAD TO SEND MY VL 3985 BACK TO NC.

BUT IT CAME BACK WITH THE CORRECT SOUND AND OFFSET DRIVERS AND HASN'T MISSED A BEAT SINCE.

I'M A LITTLE BUMMED THAT THE GREY ON THE FIREBOX AND SMOKEBOX DON'T MATCH MY FIRST LEGACY 844 AND FIRST LEGACY 4014....BUT THAT'S PRETTY MINOR, IN MY BOOK.

MY VL CHALLENGER IS EASILY MY MOST REQUESTED LOCOMOTIVE TO RUN WHEN COMPANY IS OVER.

I WILL NO LONGER PARTICIPAE IN BTO AT ALL.....BUT I'M HAPPY WITH VL 3985.....NOW.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Okay I eat my words. Lionel booth has the newest VL engine that they will post later on this week or next week. It is the N&W Class A. I took a bunch of pictures with my camera and not my phone, so I'll post those later on tonight.

Ryan said this is all new tooling, so no MTH tooling was bought for the Class A. Also, in the picture when I post them, the engine looks shiny, that's because it is a 3D printed shell of it. I'll say that again when I post.

oh dear its something i really like the class A and its the norfolk and western which is something i want. i don't know what to do if they have a Pennsy or  B&O version planned . I can only hope that a miracle happens but i do want to see those pics though

@paigetrain posted:

oh dear its something i really like the class A and its the norfolk and western which is something i want. i don't know what to do if they have a Pennsy or  B&O version planned . I can only hope that a miracle happens but i do want to see those pics though

All versions will be N&W. There is a prewar, postwar, fantasy version. I don't remember the numbers but Ryan did say 1218 would have the shiny coat like the one Big Boy did.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

All versions will be N&W. There is a prewar, postwar, fantasy version. I don't remember the numbers but Ryan did say 1218 would have the shiny coat like the one Big Boy did.

Any chance you can give Ryan some Dullcote while you're in York?

After the Mallets, the A Class are probably the best looking Articulated on 0-72 Curves....IMHO.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

All versions will be N&W. There is a prewar, postwar, fantasy version. I don't remember the numbers but Ryan did say 1218 would have the shiny coat like the one Big Boy did.

what is the differance between a prewar and postwar class A?

It still doesn't matter because as soon as i see them i'm gonna want one probably the fantasy one.

however i can't afford or run one unless a miracle happens

2 quick photos from York today:

Thanks for the pictures Ed!

Really curious as to this special feature being announced in January. Nothing currently listed has never been done before to make it a Vision engine. New tooling is a pleasant surprise however.

really curious about the new feature. it can't be the depleating coal load can it ? waving engineer ? what else can you shove in a steam engine?