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3rd Rail Update from China

sdmannsdmannOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBERFORUM SPONSOR

Hi Folks,

Just finishing up the inspection of the D&RGW L-131 Anniversary Series Locomotives. All I can say is, WOW!!!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sn5VwENpGw

 

These beasts will be arriving first week in June. Only 120 of these were produced in 2 Rail and 3 Rail combined. We have a few remaining without names on them in Green / Early and Black / Late in both 2 Rail with QSI and 3 Rail. To see the details go to our web site: http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html

Arriving in a few days are the GGD Coaling Towers. These scale models of the OGLE 100 Ton Coaling station can be had for $249.95 + S&H. To get one, go to: http://www.goldengatedepot.com/reservation.html

You can use Paypal, just select Black or Brown and click away.

The new factory is cranking on our new projects expertly. They will be producing simultaneously the SD7 and SD9 Diesels and SP S-12 0-6-0 switchers. Both have been on our web site for a while and it's about time to move them over to the In Stock side of our web site. Look for these projects to complete in August.

After that the E8 /E9 Diesels will go into production. A fall production is in order. Also the CB&Q O-1a will be considered for production at that time.

On the GGD side, we still have Modernized HW Coaches. Although we sold a good amount of these, we still have a few in each livery In Stock. To view and purchase these please go to: http://goldengatedepot.com/reacar-buy.html

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In the works are our 12-1 and 8-1-2 Sleepers. We still have these open for reservations, but quantities have been set, so eventually these reservations will fill up and choices will be diminished. So again, come to our web site to secure your Pullman Sleeper. http://www.goldengatedepot.com/reservation.htm

We are working on a deal to get our Aluminum cars produced in mass. The GN Empire Builder, Sunset Limited, Silver Meteor and SF El Capitan Rerun. It ain't easy these days. Costs are through the roof. No wonder no one else is making Aluminum cars. But we are doing everything we can to stay in the game. There is no better way to make short runs of scale detailed passenger cars. Plastic 21" cars of today are generic in so many ways. Generic interiors, window arrangements etc. We make all our Aluminum cars right to the Blue Prints, right down to the position of the chairs in the dinning car. I know they are getting expensive, but what you get is something no one else has, ACCURACY.   We won't be able to make these cars forever. Eventually the run will come to an end. Matching market expectations of price and factory costs eventually won't make sense. So come and order what you want, before they are gone forever. http://www.goldengatedepot.com/reservation.htm

Come to our web site to see what else we have in stock. http://www.3rdrail.com

Thanks again for your support in reserving, providing your ideas and data for these and other projects we have done in the past. We make them for you.

Scott Mann - China

 

 

 

 

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N nw2124OGR Forum Member

Scott: May I make a suggestion from a marketing stand point. How about posting this post on the 2-rail forum also, because there are those that do not look at the 3-rail forum. Second, RHeil stated that you were doing the RF&P extra cars in the Silver Meteor Series, it would great if someone at Sunset would post them on the website so that orders could be placed. Just some suggestions.

Stephen

sdmannsdmannOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBERFORUM SPONSOR

Yes, we will add the RF&P to our line up of extra coaches and sleepers on the Meteor production. The El Capitan was held up by our previous factory that went rogue on us. They were taken over by a hostile group and we didn't feel comfortable ordering these cars from them. The key people that make our models have formed a new factory and we will proceed with the El Captain later this year.

Scott - China

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TS Ted SOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Scott I think your request for future project suggestions should be its own title thread!  To answer your question directly, I actually liked the big ex-LS&I 2-8-0 better, I'm sorry to see it retired in favor of the articulated.  

I'm partial to Eastern steam and so much of it has already been done by other manufacturers.  Some suggestions might be a CNJ Super MacArthur, WM Potomac 4-8-4, Reading K1sa 2-10-2, or even the experimental Baldwin 4-10-2 #60000 which toured on several roads, and still exists in the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia.  Getting outside of the Northeast, a compact DT&I Berkshire or L&N "Big Emma" would be considerations.

I've learned that there are several "big" steam locos being restored for potential operation right now.  Once photos/ videos of these start showing up, people will want a smooth running brass model of one for their collections.  Thanks for asking!!

kanawhakanawhaOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
sdmann posted:

What do you guys think of C&O H-6 #1309 being restored. This was a USRA loco, so possibly could be NKP, W&LE of an earlier H version. 

Your thoughts?

Scott Mann

I'd be in for a model of the 1309, but it's not a USRA engine.

The H-6's were built in 1949 and were close copies of the C&O H-4's which were designed and mostly built before WW1. The C&O did have some USRA 2-6-6-2's classed H-5, but when they needed additional mine shifters after WW2 the railroad preferred the H-4's performance so they had Baldwin copy the H-4 instead of the USRA H-5.

The H-6 and USRA engines are very similar, but the major spotting differences are the H-6 had different sand and steam domes, a different cab, and different pilot. I'm sure there are some other minor differences, but that would require some research.

Lionel did the USRA mallet in several road names some years ago and more recently released a Legacy version. Lionel's C&O version was a fairly credible model of an H-5. From my perspective I would like to have a model of the H-6. If you made a USRA mallet and didn't incorporate the detail changes to make it an H-6 then I would pass on it.

Ken

P prrjimOGR Forum Member

I am probably in a minority, but my preference for steam would be a Pennsylvania RR K2 Pacific (4-6-2).      Many, many models of the PRR K4 have been done, and I think also the K5.    The K2 was a slight bit older and had a smaller boiler.    It is a sleeker looking loco than the K4.      I think it would be fun to add to my PRR fleet.

HW Hot WaterOGR Forum Member
sdmann posted:

What do you guys think of C&O H-6 #1309 being restored. This was a USRA loco, so possibly could be NKP, W&LE of an earlier H version. 

As previously stated, the former C&O 1309 is not actually a USRA design. However, Lionel has already produced these models anyway.

Also T&P 2-10-4 is an ideal for next year.

Now you're talking!!!       

Also, how about a New York Central K5 Pacific?

Your thoughts?

Scott Mann

 

RT Rusty TraqueOGR Forum Member
Ted Sowirka posted:

Scott I think your request for future project suggestions should be its own title thread!  To answer your question directly, I actually liked the big ex-LS&I 2-8-0 better, I'm sorry to see it retired in favor of the articulated.  

As far as I know, the 2-8-0 isn't being retired, it's going in for much needed maintenance and time for it's 15 year inspection.

Rusty

Keystoned EdKeystoned EdOGR Forum Member

FYI - the Pennsy K5 has never been commercially done in O scale.  Scott did propose importing one a couple of years ago but it didn't draw enough support.  From a sales perspective a better PRR candidate would be a suite of heavy H class consolidations (H8/9/10).  Points in favor of doing a Pennsy console include:

  • PRR had thousands of them
  • they lasted up until the end of steam in 1957
  • Other roads had them (LIRR, DT&I, P-RSL, WA, Norfolk Portsmouth Belt)
  • Widely different "looks" possible with same basic boiler & chassis components
  • Prior O scale offerings (except Key's 25 yrs ago) not up to today's accuracy/detail standards, and focused predominantly on the H10s
  • Fits in nicely on both small and large model railroads

 

If a H10s was offered I recommend doing it with a different tender than the Lines West variant Weaver, MTH. Key, and CLW offered on their H10's.  In the postwar era Lines West tenders were few and far between behind H10's.

 

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mark smark sOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

Additional vote for the Texas & Pacific 2-10-4........also would like, if possible,  the Chicago Great Western version, which is essentially a copy, except coal burning.  The T&P 2-10-4 could be decorated for the Southern Ry, too, as #610 ran in excursion service in the late '70's.    VERY handsome locomotives. Apparently the TP painted their boilers green. 

Take a look at Glacier Park Models TP and CGW versions in HO:    http://www.glacierparkmodels.com/T&P+CGW.html

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HW Hot WaterOGR Forum Member
Brandy posted:

Scott, while everybody is throwing out their dream sheet to/from you. 

How about adding the C&O K2/K3 with both tenders, then also an NYC H10. These were the "Super Mikado's"  and highly detailed.................Brandy!

When Scott announced both those models, some 3 to 5 years ago, not enough reservations/orders were ever received in order to put them into production. Too bad, but that is reality.

TF TP FanOGR Forum Member

Scott,

  I would purchase a T&P 2-10-4 if you would make one. These were remarkable and memorable engines when they first went into service. The iconic image of them pulling long freight trains in west Texas still remains. You might want to consider a way to make the model tinder convertible from oil to coal by changing an insert.  

  I am eagerly waiting on my OGLE coaling tower to arrive.

Douglas

 

 

kanawhakanawhaOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
MR-150 posted:

Hot Water and Brandy,that would make the three of us who would like the H-10 and K2/3 locomotives.I have the Erie Berkshire from 3rd Rail,it is one great runner

I would also like the C&O K2 or K3 loco. I didn't find out this engine was even being considered until after it had been decided that there wasn't enough interest. I never saw it announced on the 3RD Rail website and didn't attend any of the shows that it was apparently discussed as a possibility. I don't understand how 3RD Rail does its market research, but in this case would it be possible just to put this engine up on the website as a future production possibility with a TBD price and see how many reservations you get?

I'm also waiting for the RF&P Silver Meteor coaches to appear on the GGD reservation site.

Ken

 

B BrandyOGR Forum Member

MHO, I don't think that there is a better looking, more powerful looking, "Mikado" than the C&O K2/K3, nor the NYC(Big 4) H10's.

I think Great Northern had some exceptionally big Mikes, but never ever seen one, with the exception of pictures.

I wished Scott would run these up the proverbial flag pole again though!.....

I don't know what the show of hands were back when, but I know for sure that U/HW, and myself would be in for a few!..................Just Sayin! 

B BrandyOGR Forum Member
sdmann posted:

I updated our web site: http://www.3rdrail.com

ALCO PA/PBs

C&O H-6 

T&P 2-10-4

If we can get enough reservations for these, we will make them.

We will consider your great ideas in time. Thanks for your input it is much appreciated. 

 

Scott seeing that you're planning an H6 C&O 2-6-6-2. If you didn't already know we have the twin sister to the #1309, the #1308, in Huntington, Wva.

If you need any pictures/dimension's, let me know.......................................................Brandy!  

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