3rd Rail Wishlist Request Future Engines

for me I find these to be butt ugly my Opinion.

BH

Bob Harris posted:

for me I find these to be butt ugly my Opinion.

 

BH

I personally disagree. I think all trains are beautiful, and should be made if there is a given demand and appreciation for it.  It's nice to have beauty and contrast in life, to appreciate that which we personally find beautiful, as truly beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

That being said, The A class in Brass seems very popular by forum members that have contributed to the thread... What else do you Guys want Sunset to make?

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

What about more brass passenger cars?

I agree!  I think Scott did a number of them for his European engines.  Think they ran between $350.00 and $400.00 each.

I am fortunate to have a KM1 (one gauge) steam engine.  I think that it pulled the famed Orient Express of which KM1 made a  5 car passenger in brass (one gauge).  The interior was fully lighted and the dinning room tales had real table cloths, lighted lamps and silverware on each of them along with real curtains in the windows.  The cost of the 5 car set was around $11,500.00.

Well, I didn't  get it; next life perhaps

daylight posted:

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

What about more brass passenger cars?

I agree!  I think Scott did a number of them for his European engines.  Think they ran between $350.00 and $400.00 each.

 

I am fortunate to have a KM1 (one gauge) steam engine.  I think that it pulled the famed Orient Express of which KM1 made a  5 car passenger in brass (one gauge).  The interior was fully lighted and the dinning room tales had real table cloths, lighted lamps and silverware on each of them along with real curtains in the windows.  The cost of the 5 car set was around $11,500.00.

Well, I didn't  get it; next life perhaps

Sounds like a great idea. Nobody does it like 3rd Rail... Many would pay the money to buy some high quality cars from Scott and Sunset if they are made one day. 

BTW, hope you get the cars one day!

VintageClassics posted:

daylight posted:

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

What about more brass passenger cars?

I agree!  I think Scott did a number of them for his European engines.  Think they ran between $350.00 and $400.00 each.

 

I am fortunate to have a KM1 (one gauge) steam engine.  I think that it pulled the famed Orient Express of which KM1 made a  5 car passenger in brass (one gauge).  The interior was fully lighted and the dinning room tales had real table cloths, lighted lamps and silverware on each of them along with real curtains in the windows.  The cost of the 5 car set was around $11,500.00.

Well, I didn't  get it; next life perhaps

Sounds like a great idea. Nobody does it like 3rd Rail... Many would pay the money to buy some high quality cars from Scott and Sunset if they are made one day. 

BTW, hope you get the cars one day!

Thank you and thanx for the picture!

Northern Pacific Z3 compound 2-8-8-2, with gray boiler

Soo Line 4-6-2 #2719

Soo Line 4-8-2 with 12 wheel tank

I also would like a Reading K-1.

SGL, who did the Reading G-3 Pacific, was planning on doing the K-1 several years ago, but they never proceeded.

I would be in for 2 engines.

ReadingRR posted:

I also would like a Reading K-1.

SGL, who did the Reading G-3 Pacific, was planning on doing the K-1 several years ago, but they never proceeded.

I would be in for 2 engines.

*****IN'! This would be soo cool if Sunset would make one of these... The only other company that I see doing this is Lionel in a Hybrid. But if Sunset did them, would be The Cat's Meow!

Bob Harris posted:

VintageClassics posted:

Bob Harris posted:

well OK here is my  2 cents. to go with the T&P 2 10 4  . Texas and Pacific 4 8 2 mountainsThere was 2 classes of these with and without FWTR  900-909 , These were used on there passenger trains for there Texas eagle trains. They were Eagle blue and Eagle gray  with silver and yellow stripping , silver lettering outlined in black edging  on the letters and numbers.

Bob

Hi Bob! Great idea!! Those locos would be gorgeous, and an excellent compliment to the 3rd Rail T&P 2-10-4 

Well these are nice the black version is the most accurate. The blue is way off the color chart for what they used. It is just like the E 6 color which the RR called Eagle Blue and Eagle Gray these were painted this way to run with the New Texas Eagle consist because the streamline cars and the E 6 had not arrived net from the builder in 1948 . When they arrived the steamers were kept painted this way and used for stand by power when needed.

I am with you. I would love to have these In O scale model from but doubt if it will ever happen. It took me 5 years to convince Scott to do the 2 10 4 , and the CGW model helped to get the Texas.

But who knows. All it takes is the reservations, so who else would want these, I will take 2 blue and 1 black.

Bob H

 

 

I’d probable be in for one. I practically choked n fell over in shock when the 2-10-4 was offered. So I Did buy one. I’d been asking MTH to do a Mikadopalooza for years - just a run of black n silver engines for different roads never done. Anything to get a reasonable steam engine for MP, T&P, Frisco, MKT. Crickets. So I had to buy in on the Sunset T&P offering. Stunning model !!!!

Perhaps the key on a new offering will again be is there another road “ look alike” that can attract enough additional reservations to contain costs to make it fly ?

TrainBub

A Wishlist  is great.A B&O Royal Blue 4 6 2

prrq2 posted:

A Wishlist  is great.A B&O Royal Blue 4 6 2

Didn't Sunset/3rd Rail already produce a blue B&O Pacific?

Hot Water posted:

prrq2 posted:

A Wishlist  is great.A B&O Royal Blue 4 6 2

Didn't Sunset/3rd Rail already produce a blue B&O Pacific?

Yes they did. It was available in 2 and 3 rail in The Cincinnatian streamlined version as well as 5314 which was the modernized (centered headlight and air pumps on the front end) locomotive and 5315 which was also modernized with running board skirting. The tender had 6 wheel trucks and had the rounded coaming unlike the Sunset / 3rd Rail T-3 which had square coaming on the rear of the tender.

In real life the B&O transferred the tenders back and forth between the T-3 and P-7e locomotives since they all were steam line equipped - just different paint. I have photos of 5314 with both versions of tender - square and rounded coaming. I saw them in real life lots of times but can't recall which tender was with which locomotive and when that was. Some of the locomotives kept their 4 wheel truck shorter tenders even when the locomotive was modernized.

Sunset did a total of 125 of the 5314 and 5315 in 2 and 3 rail combined and 50 of the Cincinnatian locomotive. I have 3 of them, a 5314, a 5315, and a Cincinnatian locomotive.

Of the 50 Cincinnatian locomotives only about 5 were sold to folks who later purchased the 5 car Cincinnatian train set from Golden Gate. 

R.Heil - Sunset Models / 3rd Rail

rheil posted:

Hot Water posted:

prrq2 posted:

A Wishlist  is great.A B&O Royal Blue 4 6 2

Didn't Sunset/3rd Rail already produce a blue B&O Pacific?

Yes they did. It was available in 2 and 3 rail in The Cincinnatian streamlined version as well as 5314 which was the modernized (centered headlight and air pumps on the front end) locomotive and 5315 which was also modernized with running board skirting. The tender had 6 wheel trucks and had the rounded coaming unlike the Sunset / 3rd Rail T-3 which had square coaming on the rear of the tender.

In real life the B&O transferred the tenders back and forth between the T-3 and P-7e locomotives since they all were steam line equipped - just different paint. I have photos of 5314 with both versions of tender - square and rounded coaming. I saw them in real life lots of times but can't recall which tender was with which locomotive and when that was. Some of the locomotives kept their 4 wheel truck shorter tenders even when the locomotive was modernized.

Sunset did a total of 125 of the 5314 and 5315 in 2 and 3 rail combined and 50 of the Cincinnatian locomotive. I have 3 of them, a 5314, a 5315, and a Cincinnatian locomotive.

Of the 50 Cincinnatian locomotives only about 5 were sold to folks who later purchased the 5 car Cincinnatian train set from Golden Gate. 

Didn't realize I was in such rarefied company...if you bought the loco you absolutely had to have the trainset.

R.Heil - Sunset Models / 3rd Rail

rex desilets posted

Of the 50 Cincinnatian locomotives only about 5 were sold to folks who later purchased the 5 car Cincinnatian train set from Golden Gate. 

Didn't realize I was in such rarefied company...if you bought the loco you absolutely had to have the trainset.

 

Rex,

Now I know 3 of the 5 folks who purchased the locomotive and train from Sunset / Golden Gate. I believe the reason for this is that Sunset produced the locomotive before the train from GGD, therefor a lot of folks purchased the MTH train and the Sunset locomotive. Just a guess on my part. But the MTH train was nowhere near correct for the Cincinnatian. The only correct thing was the silver striping and lettering.

Did sunset make the ac4400 that was planned for 1996 or 1997

paigetrain posted:

Did sunset make the ac4400 that was planned for 1996 or 1997

No.  The Dash 9 that was done did not go well.   It's part of the reason Scott is hesitant to offer "modern" Diesels.  They still do not go over well. 

rheil posted:

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Now I know 3 of the 5 folks who purchased the locomotive and train from Sunset / Golden Gate. I believe the reason for this is that Sunset produced the locomotive before the train from GGD, therefor a lot of folks purchased the MTH train and the Sunset locomotive. Just a guess on my part. But the MTH train was nowhere near correct for the Cincinnatian. The only correct thing was the silver striping and lettering.

 

More fools they

Back before3rd Rail released the loco, I bought the Weaver version and the Weaver trainset. Anyone want these???

rheil posted:

rex desilets posted

Of the 50 Cincinnatian locomotives only about 5 were sold to folks who later purchased the 5 car Cincinnatian train set from Golden Gate. 

Didn't realize I was in such rarefied company...if you bought the loco you absolutely had to have the trainset.

 

Rex,

Now I know 3 of the 5 folks who purchased the locomotive and train from Sunset / Golden Gate. I believe the reason for this is that Sunset produced the locomotive before the train from GGD, therefor a lot of folks purchased the MTH train and the Sunset locomotive. Just a guess on my part. But the MTH train was nowhere near correct for the Cincinnatian. The only correct thing was the silver striping and lettering.

 

Guys, could one of you post some pics of the Sunset streamlined P7?  Forgive my ignorance, but I've never actually seen one and until you guys confirmed it on this thread, I always thought Scott cancelled that version of the P7.   I have the GGD Cincinnatian car set and love it, but had no idea there was an alternative to the Weaver model for the streamlined P7. 

Thanks!

rheil posted:

Hot Water posted:

prrq2 posted:

A Wishlist  is great.A B&O Royal Blue 4 6 2

Didn't Sunset/3rd Rail already produce a blue B&O Pacific?

Yes they did. It was available in 2 and 3 rail in The Cincinnatian streamlined version as well as 5314 which was the modernized (centered headlight and air pumps on the front end) locomotive and 5315 which was also modernized with running board skirting. The tender had 6 wheel trucks and had the rounded coaming unlike the Sunset / 3rd Rail T-3 which had square coaming on the rear of the tender.

In real life the B&O transferred the tenders back and forth between the T-3 and P-7e locomotives since they all were steam line equipped - just different paint. I have photos of 5314 with both versions of tender - square and rounded coaming. I saw them in real life lots of times but can't recall which tender was with which locomotive and when that was. Some of the locomotives kept their 4 wheel truck shorter tenders even when the locomotive was modernized.

Sunset did a total of 125 of the 5314 and 5315 in 2 and 3 rail combined and 50 of the Cincinnatian locomotive. I have 3 of them, a 5314, a 5315, and a Cincinnatian locomotive.

Of the 50 Cincinnatian locomotives only about 5 were sold to folks who later purchased the 5 car Cincinnatian train set from Golden Gate. 

R.Heil - Sunset Models / 3rd Rail

Very glad to hear of others interested in these locomotives!

Here is an example of 5314:

Now I just have to build a complete B&O layout around it, haha!

The Royal Blue. If you do not know what one looks like go to the American Flyer S 

The 1937 streamlined . Wikipedia

prrq2 posted:

The 1937 streamlined . Wikipedia

I think the request was to post a photo of Scott's model of the streamlined P7D not the prototype. I never knew it was made either. Would love to see how it turned out.

A Norfolk Southern GE B23-7 high nose.

I think the Streamlined B&O P-7 would be  a MUST have... put me down for one of those if ever offered...

Also, would be cool to see the T&P 4-8-2

the CV 2-10-4 

Modernized 1929 Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific R67 - multiple paint schemes 

Sunset / 3rd Rail has not offered the B&O Royal Blue P-7. What was offered was the streamlined Cincinnatian P-7d locomotive at the same time the P-7e was offered. The Royal Blue train has been cancelled, and a 1950's version of the  Capitol Limited is being offered instead.

The Cincinnatian was made by Weaver 2 and 3 rail. I have a two rail

rheil posted:

Sunset / 3rd Rail has not offered the B&O Royal Blue P-7. What was offered was the streamlined Cincinnatian P-7d locomotive at the same time the P-7e was offered. The Royal Blue train has been cancelled, and a 1950's version of the  Capitol Limited is being offered instead.

I wonder if the Royal Blue train did not get enough interest BECAUSE the ENGINE was not offered... If a Royal Blue was offered, i would order it TODAY.

BTW... I added my name to the NYC H10 2-8-2s the other day, hope they get made and NOT CANCELED like the L-2D Mohawks... I held off on Buying a Lionel L2A because I REALLY wanted an L2D from 3rd Rail, but not enough reservations at the time... But still hopeful 3rd Rail will unshelve the Mohawk in the future.

CB&Q S-4A Aeolus  Never made in 3rail.

Wabash P1 Hudson. Lionel made it in 0-27 in the 90s.... and perhaps a Banner Blue car set to go with?

Rob English posted:

 

CB&Q S-4A Aeolus  Never made in 3rail.

 

 

Wabash P1 Hudson. Lionel made it in 0-27 in the 90s.... and perhaps a Banner Blue car set to go with?

Nice ones Rob! I'd buy those!

rheil posted:

Sunset / 3rd Rail has not offered the B&O Royal Blue P-7. What was offered was the streamlined Cincinnatian P-7d locomotive at the same time the P-7e was offered. The Royal Blue train has been cancelled, and a 1950's version of the  Capitol Limited is being offered instead.

How about a photo of the model??? I'm starting to wonder if this thing actually exists...

AEOLUS S-4A   HAS MY VOTE      AND WAS TALKED ABOUT AT THE CHICAGO O SCALE MEET EARLIER THIS YEAR

Rob English posted:

 

 

 

 

 

Wabash P1 Hudson. Lionel made it in 0-27 in the 90s.... and perhaps a Banner Blue car set to go with?

Lionel's model was basically a repainted Postwar NYC Hudson with added smoke deflectors.

MTH made a more accurate version in their RailKing Line.  MTH screen shot:

Rusty

jonnyspeed posted:

rheil posted:

Sunset / 3rd Rail has not offered the B&O Royal Blue P-7. What was offered was the streamlined Cincinnatian P-7d locomotive at the same time the P-7e was offered. The Royal Blue train has been cancelled, and a 1950's version of the  Capitol Limited is being offered instead.

How about a photo of the model??? I'm starting to wonder if this thing actually exists...

I assume you will be at the Cleveland meet in November? If so I will bring my Sunset model to prove it exists or you can e-mail Scott Mann and ask him. That would be even better than me bringing my locomotive just to prove it was made. sdmann@3rdrail.com. Check out Rex's earlier post on this topic. He purchased a Sunset / 3rd rail version of the Cincinnatian. There were 50 of them made.

R.Heil  - Sunset / 3rd Rail

I too would like to see the Wabash Hudson, but... like most other passenger engines, I think the project would draw a better demand if a complementing passenger train was also introduced. Even if the passenger cars came at a later date.

I now have two sets of beautiful E6 passenger units waiting for something to pull. Not ready to sell, but I won't wait forever. No more passenger units (steam or diesel) unless a rake of cars is available or will be available.

Charlie

Curious to know who would be interested in an AT&SF 2900 class 4-8-4?   I have an MTH model that I am ready to jettison because I have already upgraded it from PS1 to PS2 and I am not willing to upgrade it again.  What say you?  As a person who should be satisfied with all the fine models I have, this offering would put me over the edge.  An offering of AT&SF FP45's to go with my GGD El Cap would further tempt me.

Rob Leese posted:

Curious to know who would be interested in an AT&SF 2900 class 4-8-4?   I have an MTH model that I am ready to jettison because I have already upgraded it from PS1 to PS2 and I am not willing to upgrade it again.  What say you?  As a person who should be satisfied with all the fine models I have, this offering would put me over the edge.  An offering of AT&SF FP45's to go with my GGD El Cap would further tempt me.

 

3rd Rail already made an AT&SF 2900 class Northern a few years ago. 

https://ogrforum.com/...0-class-4-8-4?page=1

Rob Leese posted:

Curious to know who would be interested in an AT&SF 2900 class 4-8-4?   I have an MTH model that I am ready to jettison because I have already upgraded it from PS1 to PS2 and I am not willing to upgrade it again.  What say you?  As a person who should be satisfied with all the fine models I have, this offering would put me over the edge.  An offering of AT&SF FP45's to go with my GGD El Cap would further tempt me.

 

Rob,

Just like Luke said, 3rd Rail already did the ATSF 2900 class... So FAR, Sunset has not chosen to RE-DO models, such as Lionel and MTH do - but that is not to say that perhaps one day they might - would be interesting to see a re-do. After all, Golden Gate depot is doing their 2nd run of the Broadway Limited, Daylight, and the 1948 20th Century Limited - so like James Bond, never say never.

BUT... more likely, would be Sunset to do the 3776 class engines. I know I had been talking to Scott via email back and forth at the time the 2900 class was being announced, and he had shown some interest in announcing it. And I remember he told me, " But not before the 2900 class gets done."

Would be awesome to see 3776 class, with and without steam domes and modified check valves, etc. Twin-beam, and single beam headlights, etc.

David

Thank you for the responses to my question.  The 2929 production predates my membership to the forum, as I also display my lack of ability to research an inquiry.  If these models ever come up at auction, I am missing that as well.

rheil posted:

jonnyspeed posted:

rheil posted:

Sunset / 3rd Rail has not offered the B&O Royal Blue P-7. What was offered was the streamlined Cincinnatian P-7d locomotive at the same time the P-7e was offered. The Royal Blue train has been cancelled, and a 1950's version of the  Capitol Limited is being offered instead.

How about a photo of the model??? I'm starting to wonder if this thing actually exists...

I assume you will be at the Cleveland meet in November? If so I will bring my Sunset model to prove it exists or you can e-mail Scott Mann and ask him. That would be even better than me bringing my locomotive just to prove it was made. sdmann@3rdrail.com. Check out Rex's earlier post on this topic. He purchased a Sunset / 3rd rail version of the Cincinnatian. There were 50 of them made.

R.Heil  - Sunset / 3rd Rail

R. Heil,

I believe both you and Rex about this engine.  All I would like is to see some pics from anyone just to admire it as I was under the impression Scott cancelled the P7d due to lack of interest and just made the P7e's.  Also, I too will be at the Cleveland show so if you would be kind enough to bring it, I would love to see it in person.  If not, no problem either way and I'm happy to know there is an alternative to the Weaver version.

Rob Leese posted:

Thank you for the responses to my question.  The 2929 production predates my membership to the forum, as I also display my lack of ability to research an inquiry.  If these models ever come up at auction, I am missing that as well.

I've yet to see a 3rd Rail 2900 come up on any of the auction sites. The 3751 class comes up regularly. 

If you really want a 3rd Rail 2900 class I'd suggest posting in the want to buy section of the forum.