3rd Rail Wishlist Request Future Engines

FAs are receiving a lot of reservations so while it will remain on the list for a while, pre-orders do need to pick up.  I'd be in for set of PRR ones, but honestly I am up to my ears in Pennsy equipment now that didn't really run on the NY&LB. 

F9s are a possibility. However with only 101 A units built in total and with most going to NP (38), ATSF (18), and NdeM (10),  I'm not sure there would be enough orders to get to 500 units.  Some NdeM ones would be kind of fun though.  

Steam is simply hard to gauge (so to speak) anymore. Personally a PRR D16sb American Standard would be of interest to me, but not holding out for it.  That or a CNJ Atlantic camelback ... wait CNJ anything outside of a 10 wheeler at this point, steam or diesel that is accurate.   Maybe DRS 6-4-2000 and accurate coaches? 

Can't wait for my CNJ GP7Ps!  

GG1 4877 posted:

That or a CNJ Atlantic camelback ... wait CNJ anything outside of a 10 wheeler at this point, steam or diesel that is accurate.   Maybe DRS 6-4-2000 and accurate coaches? 

Count me in for some accurate CNJ coaches!

Bryce

How come MTH and Lionel get away with re running steam over and over but 3rd rail doesn’t? 

That is a great question!  There are a few I'd like to see rerun.  Quality over quantity? 

I don't have a good answer Santiago.  That is a good question for Scott.

I brought this question to Scott a couple of weeks ago, Jonathan. This is not to say we all love the fresh projects coming from Scott, what a blessing. But a lot of us missed on some very special projects. 

I suggested his ATSF 3700 class 4-8-2s. Gary Schrader did an outstanding job w the research.... and the models are spectacular!

GG1 4877 posted:

...That or a CNJ Atlantic camelback ... wait CNJ anything outside of a 10 wheeler at this point, steam or diesel that is accurate.   Maybe DRS 6-4-2000 and accurate coaches? 

Can't wait for my CNJ GP7Ps! 

I couldn't agree more, Jonathan!!  I'm more into freight than passenger equipment, so for CNJ steam, I'd love to see an accurate Heavy Mikado...or 0-8-0 switcher with "regular" end cab (not Camelback) as nothing that's been offered by Lionel or MTH are even close to prototypical for the CNJ.

I'm also looking forward to receiving my pair of GP7P's.  These will be my first 3rd rail purchases.

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

How come MTH and Lionel get away with re running steam over and over but 3rd rail doesn’t? 

Both MTH and Lionel steam locomotive models are die-cast, thus they MUST run and re-run many, MANY models off that tooling in order to get a return on their investment. 

Sunset/3rd Rail steam locomotive models are hand made of "lifetime" brass, thus there are no "molds" nor "tooling". Only jigs & fixtures are involved in forming/making brass steam locomotive models, plus the use of investment castings, i.e. "lost wax", of the various add-on detail components.

I’m fully aware of the production differences... 

I didn’t mean how do they make them 

I meant how come there’s a market for re-issued steam for certain manufacturers and not for others, specially when 3rd Rail has a record for being the best of the three.

Scott could still profit by reusing the several jigs and forming tools used in brass productions. 

Could it be that Scott has a Duchampian attitude of not “repeating himself?”

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

I’m fully aware of the production differences... 

I didn’t mean how do they make them 

I meant how come there’s a market for re-issued steam for certain manufacturers and not for others, specially when 3rd Rail has a record for being the best of the three.

Thats is a rhetorical question.

Scott could still profit by reusing the several jigs and forming tools used in brass productions. 

Such is NOT how the Korean/Chinese brass model maker work.

Could it be that Scott has a Duchampian attitude of not “repeating himself?”

I personally believe that Scott understands his market well enough to NOT "repeat" limited production models of steam locomotives.

There’s a few things on my 3rd rail wish list. First speaking of sunset re-running models they already produced, I would love a re-run of the Fl9’s.  I would do New Haven. 

For new reservations here’s my top Pennsylvania R1 electric in brass, PRR K5, (from what I’ve heard Scott was taking reservations on a K5 but didn’t get enough) for real!!!!!, and finally a properly done 2-8-8-8-4 Virginian triplex. (Mth did the 2-8-8-8-2 Erie triplex with Virginian lettered on it.... not correct)

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

PRR K5, (from what I’ve heard Scott was taking reservations on a K5 but didn’t get enough) for real!!!!!

I think a K5 would be neat but is there a market big enough for a relatively expensive medium sized one-off engine.  I say one-off because the two experimental K5s were somewhat different, built in different shops.  While the K5 was not successful, Pennsy fans still would like to have one.  But I don't see a lot of non-Pennsy fan appeal for it since there are so many K4s out there (yes, the K5 is bigger so there is a difference). 

Right now I wonder why Sunset/3rd Rail isn't making a PRR FA1 since they are making other roads with the small position light.  But I am not making the decisions for a very small import company trying to make a profit with increasing costs and an aging customer base.

I just hope Sunset/3rd Rail stays around a while making their great products.  This topic is on its 9th page and there are a lot of great ideas for Scott to choice from.

With the production and successful sale of  "vest pocket streamliners", the CRI&P Rockets, I am still lobbying for yet one or two more:  The SLSF Firefly.  And the CB&Q 9908 General Pershing Zephyr. 

CAPPilot posted:

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

PRR K5, (from what I’ve heard Scott was taking reservations on a K5 but didn’t get enough) for real!!!!!

I think a K5 would be neat but is there a market big enough for a relatively expensive medium sized one-off engine.  I say one-off because the two experimental K5s were somewhat different, built in different shops.  While the K5 was not successful, Pennsy fans still would like to have one.  But I don't see a lot of non-Pennsy fan appeal for it since there are so many K4s out there (yes, the K5 is bigger so there is a difference). 

I just hope Sunset/3rd Rail stays around a while making their great products.  This topic is on its 9th page and there are a lot of great ideas for Scott to choice from.

The K5 offering was bad timing- especially for 3 rail fans as Lionel and MTH continue to flood the market with K4 engines. 

For a slightly unique pacific, I would hope Sunset looks at the K3 for BOTH the PRR and the N&W. That unique trailing truck and that two big railroads owned the same loco should create enough orders. Im in for either the K5 as well as the K3!

The PRR 2-8-8-0 Is another unique loco that Sunset should create in O scale and 3 rail too!

SW1s would be sweet too!

I'm sure I mentioned this a few pages ago but RS 1 or 3 in Rutland thank you very much.

superwarp1 posted:

I'm sure I mentioned this a few pages ago but RS 1 or 3 in Rutland thank you very much.

First, you gotta get it made. You can negotiate livery later.

RS units have been requested on several occasions.  All I can say, because it's all I know :-), is that once the current offerings are further along, the next diesel project isn't quite clear yet.

I would like to see the McKeen motor cars produced.  Also, the trailer if appropriate. 

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Jan

Jan posted:

I would like to see the McKeen motor cars produced.  Also, the trailer if appropriate. 

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Jan

I suspect drastically limited appeal. Maybe in brass...

rex desilets posted:

Jan posted:

I would like to see the McKeen motor cars produced.  Also, the trailer if appropriate. 

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Jan

I suspect drastically limited appeal. Maybe in brass...

Exactly!  By the way, just how many were built, what railroads had them, and how long did they last?

I haven't taken the time to look at all of the responses in this thread but it would be nice to see some transfer cabeese. I know that railroads had their own versions and models but if you take a few more popular roads I'm sure they would sell. For instance if you take NYC you would cover at least two other road names.

Dave

Well, I just learned something. After a quick search, it looks like the little McKeen (Union Pacific) Motor Car Co. produced about 150 units in two different configurations. At first for the UP and SP, but then it looks like it was picked-up by about 50 different railroads later in life. 

I suspect due to the date these products, is the reason why there is not more discussion. It seems many people center their railroad interest on 40's-50's and modern.

Still not sure if this would have the traction for Scott to make, but there were way more then just a few prototypes.

Charlie

GG1 4877 posted:

RS units have been requested on several occasions.  All I can say, because it's all I know :-), is that once the current offerings are further along, the next diesel project isn't quite clear yet.

Jonathan, I sure hope I’m picking up what you MIGHT be putting down here!  I’ve been asking for someone to offer a true scale-sized and highly-detailed RS3 and RSD4/5 for a LONG time now.  

I will be all-in if/when that finally happens...and even more so (if that’s possible!) if it’s Scott/3rd Rail.  Heck, that might even be what finally pushes me over the edge to the word of 2-rail.  Hmmmm.....

Charlie posted:

Well, I just learned something. After a quick search, it looks like the little McKeen (Union Pacific) Motor Car Co. produced about 150 units in two different configurations. At first for the UP and SP, but then it looks like it was picked-up by about 50 different railroads later in life. 

I suspect due to the date these products, is the reason why there is not more discussion. It seems many people center their railroad interest on 40's-50's and modern.

Still not sure if this would have the traction for Scott to make, but there were way more then just a few prototypes.

Charlie

MTH cataloged a McKeen car several years ago, but didn't get enough pre-orders.

Rusty

Oscale_Trains_Lover_ posted:

GG1 4877 posted:

That or a CNJ Atlantic camelback ... wait CNJ anything outside of a 10 wheeler at this point, steam or diesel that is accurate.   Maybe DRS 6-4-2000 and accurate coaches? 

Count me in for some accurate CNJ coaches!

Lionel seems to be on track for CNJ coaches with their new Reading passenger car tooling, at least the round roof variant. We will all know when they ship if they are accurate to the prototype. That said, I would be interested in these CNJ locomotives as long they aren't all released at once.

 As far as releasing previous models goes, I am sure there would be renewed interest in a N&W 4-8-0 after N&W 611 visited Strasburg and ran with #475 this past fall. New variants can be released such as #475 with a centered headlight and 8-wheel tender I don't think were made before.

Nice long running thread but it’s gone a bit quiet. So to stir a bit ........I Would like to see

FM Erie built - especially Mlk Rd Olympian, T&P Steam mentioned earlier, MP, MKT steam, E5,6 run2 .... with later paint variations - like later IC brown/orange, MP in Jenks blue. 

And as a throw in here - how about a heavyweight coach run to go with the recent HWT rpo, baggage, dining,  and observation cars.

TrainBub 👍

Plus 1 for the FM in Olympian Hiawatha scheme and the E6’s in MP with portholes in the original scheme. I missed out on first run, couldn’t buy all road names I liked.

Leon

I just would love to see the NYC H10 on scotts website go into production.

Ooooo. How could I forget 😳

Frisco Steam. !!!! I’d be in for the Firefly for sure. What about Frisco 1522 ??? Gorgeous and even “recent” excursion history to boost. See runs on uTube.  Any other roads with similar engines to make with this engine to get desired numbers for run ??As was done with T&P - CGW ?? 

And - perhaps E5,6 run2 can be combined with EA,E1 offering to get to critical numbers sooner. The Queue moves soooo sloooowww. 

TrainBub

I would love to see a Kckeen Motor and a Kckeen trailing car. Thanks Don

@TrainBub posted:

Ooooo. How could I forget 😳

Frisco Steam. !!!! I’d be in for the Firefly for sure. What about Frisco 1522 ??? Gorgeous and even “recent” excursion history to boost. See runs on uTube.  Any other roads with similar engines to make with this engine to get desired numbers for run ??As was done with T&P - CGW ?? 

And - perhaps E5,6 run2 can be combined with EA,E1 offering to get to

critical numbers sooner. The Queue moves soooo sloooowww. 

TrainBub

If this gets any traction I would immediately order the World’s Fair E6 in 3 Rail that I missed out on.

I would most be interested in another run of the N&W Mollies. 

@Prr7688 posted:

I would most be interested in another run of the N&W Mollies. 

What is a "Mollie"? If you mean the N&W 4-8-0 locomotives, the N&W men NEVER referred to them as "Mollies". Another goofy railfan term.

I want a Southern Railway GE B30-7A more than anything else. But will settle for a Southern B23-7 or B36-7. Some one needs to do U36Bs and include Auto Train and Seaboard System too.https://www.railpictures.net/photo/436852/

@Jan posted:

I would like to see the McKeen motor cars produced.  Also, the trailer if appropriate. 

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Jan

MTH offered one several years ago but only about twenty-five or so pre-orders, including mine. What a disappointment that it did not get produced. Maybe if it had been offered in both two and three rail there would have been more. Oh well, I eventually ended up with a Ken Kidder or Max Gray one somewhat later on.

I’d also like to see RS1,3 done. B nice with fixed pilot, scale couplers. Well executed. I’d like to see a black Frisco and a blue/grey-white MP. 
TrainBub

"FM Erie built - especially Mlk Rd Olympian, T&P Steam mentioned earlier, MP, MKT steam, E5,6 run2 .... with later paint variations - like later IC brown/orange, MP in Jenks blue."

Atlas did the Milwaukee Road Olympians over a decade ago and did a beautiful job on them, I have an ABA set. I liked them so much I also got an ABA set of the orange and maroon livery. They're still one of my favorites to this day. 

@TrainBub posted:

FM Erie built - especially Mlk Rd Olympian, T&P Steam mentioned earlier, MP, MKT steam, E5,6 run2 .... with later paint variations - like later IC brown/orange, MP in Jenks blue. 

 

 

Throw me in for some Erie Builts, in PRR.

Also, anything Western Maryland that hasn't been done. I know people have suggested WM Potomacs before, and interest is too low, but add me as one or two more for the list.

@Hot Water posted:

What is a "Mollie"? If you mean the N&W 4-8-0 locomotives, the N&W men NEVER referred to them as "Mollies". Another goofy railfan term.

Mr. Hot Water, 

I suggest before you say that the N&W 4-8-0 were NEVER referred to as "Mollies" you might do some simple research first. 

Are you aware of who Thomas D. Dressler was?  Take a look at this link regarding his passing:  https://www.trainorders.com/di...n/read.php?2,1485903  If you read closely you'll see per the wording:  Tom Dressler, long a figure of the N&WHS, former N&W Engineer and N&W steam expert has passed away at age 71.  

Now what does this have to do with "Mollies"?  Take a look at this link:  http://www.nwhs.org/arrow/issueList.php?issue_id=146  regarding an article in the Norfolk and Western Historical Society publication, "The Arrow" Vol. 12, No. 4, 2nd with the listed title of "The Travelin' Molly" by none other than Thomas D. Dressler!  The description for the article is:   "Long after she left the N&W roster, class M No. 485 is shown in her ACL livery carrying No. 7034. The ACL was the fourth owner of this much-traveled "Molly." Without a doubt, she became the best looking of all the former N&W 4-8-0's; the white wheel trim and dulux gold cylinder jacket rectangle, numbers and tender-side monogram made her special. Tom Dressler's article on this much-traveled M begins on page 4." 

So the description for the article is about N&W No. 485 M class 4-8-0 referred to as a "Molly".  Are you saying that Thomas Dressler didn't know what he was describing or that the N&W Historical Society let this article be titled incorrectly?   If you have a different authority to site that refutes Tom Dressler please let me know I would be most interested to learn about it.

Thank you,

MPS

@rheil posted:

Sunset / 3rd Rail has done the following:

B&O - E-24, P-7e, P-7d, S-1, Q-4, EM-1, T-3, T-4

PRR - L1, Q1, Q2, S1, S2, T1, M1a and b, K4, N1 or 2 can't recall which, J1, I1

Prr N1 only. NO USRA N2 or N2sa. I would be in for both the N2 and N2sa.