I just found this. The 4449 is in movie dress for the filming of "Come See the Paradise" which was released in 1990......
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I just found this. The 4449 is in movie dress for the filming of "Come See the Paradise" which was released in 1990......
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I think the big girl looks just fine in these dungarees. We usually see her all decked out in spotless party attire, so I find this working clothes motif a pleasant change.
Just goes to show "there's a prototype for everything," even after-market weathering.
Rusty
Yea well, our groupe will do just about anything for the right price. A prime example is the movie "Tough Guys"! A great time and a great movie with top notch actors. Sure wish it would come out on DVD.
I gotta say I like the look....How long were you guys down there for the filming of "Tough Guys"?...Love the movie.
Funny thing - looked up on Wikipedia the movie "Come See the Parade" and it depicts the Japanese internment of WW II. The Daylight engines' skirts were removed in the '50's for ease of maintenance. Wonder why the film folks went to all the trouble of removing them?!
Somehow I don't think SP let any of its locos in regular service get to look that decrepit. Also, no road name on that loco? Hollywood license!
No Way not quite that dirty.
Funny thing - looked up on Wikipedia the movie "Come See the Parade" and it depicts the Japanese internment of WW II. The Daylight engines' skirts were removed in the '50's for ease of maintenance. Wonder why the film folks went to all the trouble of removing them?!
Sometimes it is very difficult to explain reality to the "Hollywood folks"!
In TG, is it true they built a huge 1:1 WOOD model of the '49 for the ending scene where the train blastes the boarder fence?
Wasn't it a model for the crash and a full size mock up for the scene where it had come to rest in the sand?
Wasn't it a model for the crash and a full size mock up for the scene where it had come to rest in the sand?
Actually three different 4449 "pieces" where used in that famous "crash through the end of track" scene:
First, the real 4449 ran through the "border/end of track" scene staged on the Eagle Mountain RR, which had been rented for the movie filming.
Second, a 1" scale , live steam model was used for the scene where she "buries herself into the sand" (actually I think they used ground-up corn flakes), as if it was being photographed from a chopper.
Third, there was a full size, plywood mock-up of just the Engineer's side of 4449, buried into the desert sand. That is the scene where Burt & Kirk step out of the cab and walk away, only to meet the Mexican authorities.
A prime example is the movie "Tough Guys"! A great time and a great movie with top notch actors.
I completely agree!
"Tough Guys" is one of my all-time favorite movies, with two of my favorite actors. The film ranks right up there with "Emperor of the North" starring Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine and David Carradine.
Great information, thanks Hotwater. I love the movie.
Rich that is indeed a great film also, my favorite part is the fight scene between Ernest Borgnine and Lee Marvin.
The engines running around in the back ground at the station were fun to see. BN and SP GP9's along with SW1500's at Brooklynyard. Thanks for posting.
The more I watch the video I must say I like her with out the skirts....just different you know?
Tough Guys came out on DVD last year. Amazon has it for 20.00.
Ron
Tough Guys came out on DVD last year. Amazon has it for 20.00.
Ron
Hmm, Looks like my agent has some 'splainin' to do . . .
Hmmmmm I'm gonna have to look for that.
Harry! "Tough Guys is out on DVD and you didn't know about it? I think it may be time to FIRE your agent!
On the other hand, this is another of my all-time favorite movies and I didn't know it was out on DVD either. Thanks, Ron!
I'm off to amazon.com.
EDIT:
The Amazon DVD appears to be a Region 2 DVD! It may not play on your DVD player. Here is what this "Regions" thing is all about:
Ron, did you see a regular Region 1 DVD there?
It was a bit tricky but I found out that I can change the region to view a DVD on my computer.
A month ago, a friend in Adelaide sent me a DVD of the Australian movie "Red Dog". It's a Region 4 disc. All the computer would indicate was the disc is incompatible with the computer setting, or words to that effect. No clue at all as to how to change it.
It took me a while to find a drop-down menu and reset for Region 4 and view it. Then of course, I had to reset back to Region 1 afterward.
As for playing this movie on our big 1 YO large screen Samsung TV, It only indicates the disc is incorrect and I've yet to find a way to reset it for a different region. There's a neat scene in "Red Dog" when the dog gets to ride in the cab of a diesel locomotive in a long search for his master in the northwestern Australia mining area.
Harry! "Tough Guys is out on DVD and you didn't know about it? I think it may be time to FIRE your agent!
On the other hand, this is another of my all-time favorite movies and I didn't know it was out on DVD either. Thanks, Ron!
Tell me about it. I actually found the entire movie on You Tube in one file. Usually these are broken into smaller pieces. I downloaded it using real player, and so I have it in a digital file. Super large file - too big to email, or I would. I have not been able to find the link again, but if I do I will send it to you.
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Well speaking of the movie, here is a clip...slightly edited...say who's that engineer?....
Hmm. When i found the DVD yesterday I don't think it had region 2 after it. Harry Doyle's agent must have gotten to them.
Ron
Thanks for finding that Chris.
You guys have no idea how many times they had to shoot that scene of Kirk "mooning the chopper" (edited out for the TV version). The cameras kept picking up Kirk's "third leg", and all the women who got a chance to view the daily film results where just glued to the screen.
For what it's worth, Kirk did ALL his own "stunts", including his own body building/weight lifting scenes in the movie. Shaking hands with the various actors was a real contest of hand strength when it came to Mr. Douglas. It was like shaking hands with a vicegrip, and some of us had great fun trying to best him. I don't think Mr. Douglas expected to be shaking hands with a bunch like us, who tried to give him a "run for his money" when it came to shaking hands.
Your welcome. The un-edited version is on you-tube...I almost posted that one here.... That is a great story about Kirk D. He looked to be in pretty darn good shape in that movie. Been some time since I have seen the movie...Doyle definetly looked the part there.
CWEX,
Thanks so much for posting that video. I was just talking about that movie the other day. Great movie and so funny.
Hot Water,
Thanks for the info. I went back and watched the video again and kept pausing it. You can see where they used the gauge 1 live steamer in the crash scene. Very Cool.
Sorta reminds me of the movie with Walter Mathouw and Jack Lemmon, "Grumpy Old Men". Similar type of comedy with two great actors.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Harry Doyle the Engineer?
Mike R
I never understood why those guys were shooting at us myself. Me and Archie were safe inside the cab. What did they think, they were going to kill the train and it would roll over dead?
Coppers! . . . . Sheesh . . . . embarrassing they caught us the first time.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Harry Doyle the Engineer?
Mike R
Depends on which scenes you are talking about. The REAL Engineer was/is Doyle McCormack, when Archie (Kirk Douglas) causes the train to stop by blocking the track with his stolen police car.
In the scene where Harry Doyle (Burt Lancaster) pulls the "throttle" all the way out in order to "crash through" the end of track barriers, obviously that was filmed in the cab mock-up which they had mounted on a flat car, in order to impart movement to the scene.
I love that line.." Your crazy nobody robbs trains anymore."
"I'd say you've been mis-informed."
Love it..... Looks Like Doyle M. had his work cut out for him during the filming...
I'm curious. Over the years the side number boards have moved back and forth from near middle side to the front side of the engine. What is the purpose of this? I noticed models reflect these different locations, also.
Dennis
On the SP, those were "Train Indicator Boards" where the train number would be displayed, rather than the locomotive number. The UP followed the same practice.
The story, as I understand it, was when the number boards were located near the front of the locomotive, the train numbers were virtually ureadable at night due to glare from the headlight and Mars light, so they were moved amidships.
When the 4449 was first restored, the number boards were left amidships. Doyle & Co. eventually moved them back to the front, probably more for esthetic purposes more than anything else.
Rusty
Dennis and Rusty,
When originally delivered, all the SP GS class Daylights had the "train number indicators" mounted forward on the skyline casing, with "SOUTHERN PACIFIC LINES" in small lettering high up on the tender sides.
When 4449 was restored for American Freedom Train service (1974 thru 1977), the "as delivered" train indicator boards where placed in the "as delivered" forward position, skirts re-installed, and AFT red, white & blue styling/paint applied. Upon her return to Portland, OR in the summer of 1977, she was placed in indoor storage.
In preparation for the grand opening of the California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento (May 1981), 4449 was removed from storage and returned to her "post war" SP red, orange, & black paint/styling with the large "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" lettering on the tender, and the train indicators where rebuilt at the "sharper angle" and moved rearward on the skyline casing. She ran in this configuration for some 20 years.
Some 4 or 5 years ago (can't remember all the specific dates), 4449 was returned to her "as delivered" 1941 appearance, with the forward train indicators (again made new to match the different angle), and the small "SOUTHERN PACIFIC LINES" lettering on the tender sides. The Mars light was also put back to its original single bulb configuration.
Hot Water,
Now I get it. Thank you for the info. I didn't realize Burt Lancaster's name in the movie was Harry Doyle.
So now does that mean that our own Harry doyle is...? It would be nice. But we know that's not possible.
Mike R
Mr. Burt Lancaster (Harry Doyle) passed away some years ago. Mr. Kirk Douglas is still with us.
The guy that calls himself "Harry Doyle" on this forum is actually frank53, for some time past. You can tell his writing style.
Wow, this movie looks good. I will have to watch it sometime.
Thanks Rusty & HH20 for your response.
Dennis
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