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Originally Posted by cnwdon:

Here is an explanation of how to disassemble and assemble the AMT/KMT aluminum passenger cars, obtained online some time ago.  Note some cars have a 3 piece body (separate sides and roof that slide together), but most seem to have a one piece roof and sides extrusion.  The passenger cars and F7 diesels from these companies are among the most treasured parts of my train collection.

CNW Don

 

Disassembly of an AMT/KMT aluminum passenger car:

 

*Turn the car over and you'll see 4 slotted screw heads in the corners.

Those need to come out.

 

*Once they're out grab the trucks on one end and pull up, then do the same on the other end. The skirts at the ends of the body are curved in - tilt the entire frame to one side and the chassis and trucks should come out (You'll need to gently pull a car side out a little to free the chassis - don't use gorilla power force, but you'll have to pry a bit).

 

*If the car has never been opened there should be 2 plastic doors that slide into the cast car ends. Slide those out, and then remove the single screw holding each car end in place. The ends are in a channel, and you'll have to wiggle them a bit to listen them up - they'll slide out, but they're a tight fit.

 

*If the shell is a 3 piece type the roof will slide off of the sides. To reassemble, just go backwards with the steps above.

 

The bulk of cars disassemble like that, but cars like the baggage and combine are a little more involved. When you reassemble those the sliding doors a real pain to keep in place.

 

*There's a tiny channel that the top part of the door slips into - no sweat there, but when you go to put the chassis back in place you have to get the bottom of the doors lined up, keep the doors in place to get lined up in the chassis' channel, and then push the frame in. Not for the faint of heart - you'll never get 'em on the first try. Big Grin

 

Put a piece of scotch tape across the back of the door door and car side to hold the door in place on the inside of the shell (leave a small gap between the door and the door opening so you can remove the tape after the floor is back in place). Don't get the tape on the blue plastic or white translucent window strips as you might pull them loose.

 

The wiring on these is usually pretty brittle - rewire with a good quality, flexible wire (the wire used for rewiring Lionel roller assemblies or whistle tenders works fine). The bulbs have a tendency to wiggle loose as they're screw base types. Make sure the bulbs are screwed in snugly. Test the bulbs to be sure they work (they came with good old made in the USA GE bulbs that are pretty durable). If they light up, here's a trick to keep them shining - get a bit of clear nail polish, then place a tiny drop of the polish onto the brass base of the bulb and the cast in socket in the chassis. Let it dry, and then reassemble the car as above. The bulbs won't wiggle loose during running, but will come out with a twist when it's maintenance time...

Hmmmm - that looks like something I may have typed up at one time (all those brackets look familiar)... 

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Last night I built up a set of trucks with fast angle wheels. The wheels were from a set of new MTH heavyweight passenger cars that I tapped the axles out of.

 

The axle holes in the fast angle wheels are slightly larger than the holes on the AMT wheels, so there is a slight wobble. there was no wear on the axles.

 

These will go on my second prototype/modified AMT passenger car. The first prototype/modified car has trucks from K-Line 14" plastic streamliners.

 

I'm looking for a combination that will roll easily and stay on the track of the club layout. It seems like the original AMT trucks are not forgiving of lumpy track work.

Originally Posted by RoyBoy:

Last night I built up a set of trucks with fast angle wheels. The wheels were from a set of new MTH heavyweight passenger cars that I tapped the axles out of.

 

The axle holes in the fast angle wheels are slightly larger than the holes on the AMT wheels, so there is a slight wobble. there was no wear on the axles.

 

These will go on my second prototype/modified AMT passenger car. The first prototype/modified car has trucks from K-Line 14" plastic streamliners.

 

I'm looking for a combination that will roll easily and stay on the track of the club layout. It seems like the original AMT trucks are not forgiving of lumpy track work.

They do like level track - keep it flat/level as much as possible.  I've wondered if "U" shaped braces running between the sideframes would aid in better running characteristics.  The spring action of the AMT trucks is definitely unforgiving.They do force you to take care of track work that's in need of fine tuning.

Last edited by MTN
Originally Posted by RoyBoy:

I have a Santa Fe set of cars that I like to pull with my Marx #21 Santa Fe f units. I repowered the diesels with Williams China drives. It makes a nice "non-Lionel" postwar streamliner.

 

Too bad I don't have a camera or the smarts to take pictures.

Those Marx SF 21 FT diesels in tin have great looking litho - I imagine that's a snazzy looking set.  

Originally Posted by tinguy:

Hi,

   There's two screws on ether side of the trucks, they have to be adjusted with 

just enough tightness and looseness that that there's a smoothness when you 

move them them.

 

Tin 

It's challenging to get the screws just right - it's a great way to develop patience skills.  

Originally Posted by Steamer:

sounds like as much fun as getting the roof of a 9500 car!

9500 roof?  Get round toothpicks, locate the retainer tabs in the windows (the windows that stick out are the ones that act as retainers).  Carefully push the tabs in, and slide a toothpick in to hold the tab in until you get all of them pushed in slightly.  You'll need to do some wiggling while lifting the roof out.

For operators of AMT passenger cars who have problems with repro couplers that are drooping because of the soft metal they're cast in, or have the uncoupling pins/simulated air hoses making contact with the center rail, take a look at the cars shown here in this Ebay auction:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/KMT-Pe...;hash=item3a7d44c331

 

Look at the shots of the undersides of the cars (Duo-Trac KMT variations for the collectors amongst us - plastic wheelsets and plastic coupler arms for 2 rail running, one even has a slider switch for 2 or 3 rail running). Near the ends of the bodies are "U" shaped pieces of stiff wire that fit into holes at the corners of the carbody that provide support for the long coupler arms.  Heavy, solid core wire can be used to provide the additional support for the coupler arms for better running - the arms aren't as affected by uneven track work as much as unsupported arms.

Originally Posted by tinguy:

Okay, So I got another car tonight off the the bay and it's the luggage car,

so I now have luggage car, two coaches, one diner and a observation this

should keep me happy for awhile.  

 

Tin 

It's fun hunting for all the different body styles - they really look snazzy when you can string together a full set of them.  The coach, observation, and dome cars are the easiest to find (although finding dome inserts that aren't warped or missing can be problematic).  After that, the hunt gets more challenging.

Originally Posted by MTN:

For operators of AMT passenger cars who have problems with repro couplers that are drooping because of the soft metal they're cast in, or have the uncoupling pins/simulated air hoses making contact with the center rail, take a look at the cars shown here in this Ebay auction:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/KMT-Pe...;hash=item3a7d44c331

 

Look at the shots of the undersides of the cars (Duo-Trac KMT variations for the collectors amongst us - plastic wheelsets and plastic coupler arms for 2 rail running, one even has a slider switch for 2 or 3 rail running). Near the ends of the bodies are "U" shaped pieces of stiff wire that fit into holes at the corners of the carbody that provide support for the long coupler arms.  Heavy, solid core wire can be used to provide the additional support for the coupler arms for better running - the arms aren't as affected by uneven track work as much as unsupported arms.

I saw that set and a nice price too, I think my car's look a little better, I like the 

glossy look on top, don't get me wrong they are nice but that chrome top.

 

tin

Originally Posted by tinguy:
Originally Posted by MTN:

For operators of AMT passenger cars who have problems with repro couplers that are drooping because of the soft metal they're cast in, or have the uncoupling pins/simulated air hoses making contact with the center rail, take a look at the cars shown here in this Ebay auction:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/KMT-Pe...;hash=item3a7d44c331

 

Look at the shots of the undersides of the cars (Duo-Trac KMT variations for the collectors amongst us - plastic wheelsets and plastic coupler arms for 2 rail running, one even has a slider switch for 2 or 3 rail running). Near the ends of the bodies are "U" shaped pieces of stiff wire that fit into holes at the corners of the carbody that provide support for the long coupler arms.  Heavy, solid core wire can be used to provide the additional support for the coupler arms for better running - the arms aren't as affected by uneven track work as much as unsupported arms.

I saw that set and a nice price too, I think my car's look a little better, I like the 

glossy look on top, don't get me wrong they are nice but that chrome top.

 

tin

$1225 - wow!  Look closely at the F units - those added handrails definitely aren't factory, the jumper type jacks between the engines might be reversible, and the diaphragms on the locos and cars aren't factory equipment.  The seller did note the divot on the nose from a bulb being too close to the shell.  They do have better than average boxes - they aren't the sturdiest cardboard, and they typically don't have all their flaps.

 

I've found more smooth top cars than corrugated ones.  The smooth top cars with a good cleaning/polishing are definitely flashy looking!

Originally Posted by Times Square:

I snapped the arm-thingies off my Santa Fe RPO about 30 years ago. Is there any chance of replacing them? I've thought about annealing and bending some brass bar/wire and painting in grey.

Olsen's used to carry some AMT parts, including those mail pick-up arms.

Originally Posted by Gary:
Originally Posted by Times Square:

I snapped the arm-thingies off my Santa Fe RPO about 30 years ago. Is there any chance of replacing them? I've thought about annealing and bending some brass bar/wire and painting in grey.

Olsen's used to carry some AMT parts, including those mail pick-up arms.

Still listed as American Model Toys 324-45 Mail Pickup Hook.

Olsen's has its own website, www.olsenstoy.com

Here's the AMT portion of their current price list:

AMERICAN MODEL TOYS

Part #

Description

Price

RA-75

radar antenna, black,red,gray

$3.00

324-45

MAIL, pickup hook

$3.00

324-50A

AMT door,mail express,R handle

$3.00

324-51A

AMT door,mail express,L handle

$3.00

324-52A [Lg]

AMT door L-handle  bag 1 3/4"

$3.00

324-52A [Sm]

AMT door L-handle  baggage 1 5/8"

$3.00

324-53A [Lg]

AMT door R-handle  bag 1 3/4"

$3.00

324-53A [Sm]

AMT door R-handle bagg15/8"sm

$3.00

324-2

AMT door inner pass car

$3.00

524-9C

brakestand, w/ wheel, complete

$3.50

524-9

brakestand,flat cars

$3.00

AMT-BOOK

AMT / KMT book  copy 25 pages

$12.00

AMT-1CH

coupler fixed,passcar,metal

$2.50

AMT-2

knuckle

$2.00

AMT-3

pin, for coupler

$2.00

AMT-4

freight operating coupler

$8.00

AMT-8

knuckle rivet pin

$0.10

 

cnwdon

THANK YOU! I had no idea the parts would still be around! THIS is why I still visit this forum every day. My house is too small for a 72" layout to run the stuff back when I had an attic about 10 years ago. So I live vicariously through you guys! My stuff is safely packed away in boxes, but still comes out for some floor action about once a year. This internet thing is kinda handy...

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