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Atlas Acquires Weaver Tooling

In a move that bolsters its already large back-catalog of O scale model railroading products, Atlas has announced an agreement with Weaver Models that brings a host of popular locomotive and freight cars into the fold. This announcement comes on the heels of Weaver Models closing its doors at the end of June 2015.

“It was with sadness that we heard Weaver Models was shutting down operations,” said Paul Graf, CEO of Atlas Model Railroad Company, Inc. “However, we are pleased to announce that we will be bringing many of their models back to the market so that they can be enjoyed by a new generation of model railroaders. These products will fit right in with our existing lines and we are committed to bringing them to market with the high quality that you’ve come to expect from Atlas.”

Tooling acquired in the agreement includes the 2-8-0, U25B, RS11 and VO-1000 locomotives, the Troop Sleeper and Kitchen Cars, the Pullman Bradley Coaches, the War Emergency Gondola, the Wagontop Box Car; and the H30 Covered Hopper. In addition, the molds for the 20’ Containers and telephone poles have also been obtained.

Announcement dates for the models have not been decided at this time. Please watch future All-Scales Monthly Catalogs and All-Scales Catalogs or sign up to be an Atlas Insider at www.atlasrr.com for more information.

 

Atlas Announces New Run of O Scale California Zephyr Cars

Atlas collectors can finally complete their Atlas O California Zephyr train with the announcement of two more cars in the series. The first—the Dome Chair Car with Conductor’s Window—is an all new model and, more importantly, the last car needed to finish a set of California Zephyr cars. The second—a standard Dome Chair Car—is back with new road numbers, re-runs of popular SKU’s and an all-new paint scheme.

The Atlas production runs of the California Zephyr cars have been some of our most talked about and well-regarded products of the last few years—and with good reason. Our commitment to scale fidelity and prototypical accuracy is one of our vaunted hallmarks and it has come shining through in these models, with runs selling out well not long after they hit the market.

 

Atlas Announces Brand New Well-Car in O Scale

Atlas is pleased to announce the addition of a brand new model to its line of O scale intermodal rolling stock—the Atlas Master® Gunderson Maxi-IV Well Car. This die-cast model has been tooled from the ground up to be a centerpiece of an intermodal fleet, resulting in a finely-detailed, full scale model that will look fantastic running on a layout. The minimum radius to run this car is O-72 for 3-Rail and 36” for 2-Rail.

 

Newly tooled 53’ Jindo and CIMC containers will be offered as well for use with this, and other, models.

The Atlas Master® Gunderson Maxi-IV Well Cars are slated for announcement in the September 2015 All-Scales Monthly Catalog.

 

 

 

Paul Graf

Atlas Model Railroad Co.

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Originally Posted by Mike Slater:

It sounds like atlas got the China made products, Lionel was going after the USA made products.  The Milw Rib side boxcar was the First new USA made product for weaver in a while.

 

As far as trucks go I think Atlas may modify the tooling to use their trucks.... but we will have to wait and see

Just hoping that the Milw rib side boxcars will resume production. Preferably in the US, but China is OK. I have 5 bought directly from Weaver but would like more

Originally Posted by cooperthebeagle:

That is good news.  Thanks for sharing, Charlie.

 

If referring to metal trucks for the freight cars, they are not made by Weaver.  That is what I was told by Weaver at York (Oct-2014).  Without prying too much, I did walk away with the distinct impression they were piggybacking an order with someone else who used the same trucks.

MTH has been manufacturing the "Weaver diecast trucks", to Weaver's design & specifications for more than a year.

Great news,

 

Now, if Atlas would supply replacement frames for the Weaver Troop sleepers they might just pay for the acquisition of the Weaver tooling after just one production run.. 

 

I think most of us would be willing to pay a fair price for a replacement frame as apposed to coming up with our own home grown solutions for this problem.  

 

Also, those H 30 covered hoppers are very nice models and fit in well with the Atlas 70 ton covered hoppers.

 

Adding the Weaver RS 3 , the RSD4 / 5 and RSD 11 / 12 to the Masters like would also be a great addition to Atlas O.

 

Richard 

Originally Posted by Hot Water:
MTH has been manufacturing the "Weaver diecast trucks", to Weaver's design & specifications for more than a year.

Interesting. Nonetheless, apparently MTH hasn't made them recently, because there are virtually no "Weaver" diecast trucks to be found, and all the dealers I've talked to said they haven't seen any in quite awhile. If anyone knows a source for them, it would be great to get that information.

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Originally Posted by chessie1971:

MTH is not making the trucks for weaver. They did in the 90's and Joe from weaver said they own there own tooling for the trucks. 

Theyt were manufactured through MTH for Weaver. When everything was going on in China, Weaver could no longer get trucks manufactured from its former supplier. Joe worked out a deal with MTH to have the trucks made through them.

This is interesting news about Atlas acquiring some of the tooling from Weaver. Not sure what Lionel got?

Don

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Originally Posted by breezinup:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
MTH has been manufacturing the "Weaver diecast trucks", to Weaver's design & specifications for more than a year.

Interesting. Nonetheless, apparently MTH hasn't made them recently, because there are virtually no "Weaver" diecast trucks to be found, and all the dealers I've talked to said they haven't seen any in quite awhile. If anyone knows a source for them, it would be great to get that information.

I don't know what you consider "recently", but my local hobby shop has been ordering, and receiving, the Weaver diecast freight car trucks (both 3-Rail and 2-Rail types), regularly since mid 2014. When the announcement came last month about Weaver's closing, I rushed over to the hobby shop, and purchased all the 3-Rail and 2-Rail trucks he still had in stock. Naturally, everybody in the country is now "out of stock", until someone decides how to market the MTH manufactured-to-Weaver-specifications trucks in the future.

Originally Posted by Richard Gonzales:
Adding the Weaver RS 3 , the RSD4 / 5 and RSD 11 / 12 to the Masters like would also be a great addition to Atlas O.

Richard, the molds for the Weaver RS3 and RSD4/5 were not part of the Atlas purchase according to the announcement above.  That makes sense if you think about it as Atlas already has produced (imported) these engines in their Trainman line.

 

That may open the door for Lionel to purchase the Weaver ALCo RS3 and RSD4&5 molds and then offer scale-sized, highly-detailed Legacy versions of these engines.  This would be a great opportunity for Lionel to make a substantial upgrade to their current Traditional-line (and very toy-like!!) ALCo RS3 model.   At least that's what I'm hoping for anyway!!

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Glad to hear that Atlas will be acquiring Weaver's China tooling.  Should put a few extra dollars into the pockets of the Weaver folks and present the opportunity for re-runs of some of these models for us hobbiest.

 

As Richard comments, I hope that Atlas does offer replacement frames for previously produced Troop Sleepers, Kitchen, Hospital, and MOW cars.  I know that I would still like to add another two or three Sleepers to my current troop train.

 

I'm looking forward to the announcement on the Maxi-IV Well Cars.  Some folks might be disappointed to see the minimum radius of O-72, but as this is the new normal on my rebuild, I will have no issues.  Guess O-72 makes sense as the previous Gundersons with the 40' containers needed O-54.

 

Jim

Originally Posted by chessie1971:
Don how do you know they were. You guys seem like you know it all. I called MTH and they said they was not made by them anymore and Joe told me they had there own tooling is what the man said.   
Chessie, Rail (Don) not only had a business relationship with Weaver, but also a personal relationship with Joe and his employees.  That's why I believe he knows more than most of us.  Don can comment further if he so chooses, or correct me if I'm wrong.

Very quick story...When Weaver's closing was announced, I immediately contacted Don to see if he could "call in a favor" with Joe on my behalf.  I was looking to purchase a good-sized quantity of the 3-rail die-cast Bettendorf-style trucks and die-cast couplers (which as we all know have been so hard to find), and man did Don come through for me!!
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Joey Joe at weaver told me he made there own trucks i don't care what buisness relationship he had with him they can not tell everything to protect patent rights.  

 

Hi Jeff, I'm not really sure I believe Atlas and Lionel may have something that works. The truck for our cars were made from Weaver tooling which I am looking to sell. This what the owner Joe said. 

Originally Posted by Charlienassau:

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Newly tooled 53’ Jindo and CIMC containers will be offered as well for use with this, and other, models.

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I wasn't familiar with these containers by name, so I called upon Google.  Looks like Atlas has already announced these containers for HO a few years ago.

 

Here's the LINK that shows the containers that were produced for HO.  It will be interesting if these are the same paint schemes for O-Gauge.  I was hoping for containers with the CSX "how tomorrow moves" intermodal logo (as pictured on a real train in Atlas-O's Golden Spike Club newsletter that previewed the new cars), so I guess we'll know more in September.

 

David

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Originally Posted by chessie1971:

       
Joey Joe at weaver told me he made there own trucks i don't care what buisness relationship he had with him they can not tell everything to protect patent rights.

Hi Jeff, I'm not really sure I believe Atlas and Lionel may have something that works. The truck for our cars were made from Weaver tooling which I am looking to sell. This what the owner Joe said.

        Jeff, I never said that Weaver didn't own the tooling.   What Joe told you could very well be true.  Read what Hot Water and Rail (Don) stated above.  Don't you think it's possible that when Weaver lost their original manufacturer, and the truck tooling was already over in China, they contracted with MTH to produce the trucks using Weaver's tooling?  To me, that's very possible...and another reason why I believe Rail and Hot know what they're talking about.  Under that scenario, Joe told you the truth...the tooling belongs to him and is therefore his to sell.
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Originally Posted by chessie1971:

Don how do you know they were. You guys seem like you know it all. I called MTH and they said they was not made by them anymore and Joe told me they had there own tooling is what the man said.    

As I mentioned before, Weaver did have their own tooling for trucks, but lost their China connection,so,Joe made arrangements with Mike Wolfe to have the trucks made by the same manufacturer MTH used. You have to remember that what is in China is stuck in China. Therefore, if anyone wants to manufacture any Weaver products, ie, the Bettendorf Trucks, the H30 Hopper, or the B&O Wagon Tops, which were made in China, will still be made in China. Weaver Brass locos were made in China, along with the structures, and probably the telephone poles. 

I have known Joe for many years, having dealt with him and most of the staff on club car projects, and supplying various loads for hoppers and gondolas. I have been to the facility countless times, and even have Joe's personal cell phone number. Possibly, whoever you talked to at MTH either had no knowledge of the relationship Joe had with MTH regarding the trucks, or was not at liberty to disclose that information. 

I also Know Mike Wolfe fairly well, and many of the MTH staff, and have been there several times. I was in Mike's office several years ago when he was in contact with Lionel, Atlas and several other major manufacturers when he was trying to get everyone to do just one show at York because of the economic downturn around 2009. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time. There have been many instances that I have withheld the above mentioned information because I was asked not to say anything. I, unlike many so called high ranking persons who leak information under the condition of anonymity, honor these requests. Quite honestly, I was surprised about this recent announcement of Atlas purchasing Weaver tooling, as Joe told me that Lionel had purchased tooling. Either Lionel only bought only a certain

amount, or backed out of the deal. I'll let this all play out, as I'm not going to bother Joe just for curiosity's sake.

Don

 

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