CBS to air report on PTC Sunday 7:00est

Ponz posted:

GP 40 posted:

It is ironic that  60 Minutes chose to spend so much time on the AMTRAK 91, Cayce, SC incident during a segement criticizing the carriers implementation of PTC.

Had PTC NOT been mandated by Federal Law, the signal suspension would have not been necessary and this particular accident would not have occurred.

However you slice it, one way or the other, there was a lack of communication between the freight conductor and the dispatcher.

How do you know THAT, i.e. "lack of communication"?  There just might have been MISCOMMUNICATION.

Hot Water posted:

Ponz posted:

GP 40 posted:

It is ironic that  60 Minutes chose to spend so much time on the AMTRAK 91, Cayce, SC incident during a segement criticizing the carriers implementation of PTC.

Had PTC NOT been mandated by Federal Law, the signal suspension would have not been necessary and this particular accident would not have occurred.

However you slice it, one way or the other, there was a lack of communication between the freight conductor and the dispatcher.

How do you know THAT, i.e. "lack of communication"?  There just might have been MISCOMMUNICATION.

 

No communication or miscommunication.  No matter how you slice it - it was between the freight conductor and the dispatcher.  All radio communication is recorded.  Let's hear it.

Ponz posted:

Hot Water posted:

Ponz posted:

GP 40 posted:

It is ironic that  60 Minutes chose to spend so much time on the AMTRAK 91, Cayce, SC incident during a segement criticizing the carriers implementation of PTC.

Had PTC NOT been mandated by Federal Law, the signal suspension would have not been necessary and this particular accident would not have occurred.

However you slice it, one way or the other, there was a lack of communication between the freight conductor and the dispatcher.

How do you know THAT, i.e. "lack of communication"?  There just might have been MISCOMMUNICATION.

 

No communication or miscommunication.  No matter how you slice it - it was between the freight conductor and the dispatcher.  All radio communication is recorded.  Let's hear it.

You don't really expect the NTSB, nor CSX, to release such information prior to the complete conclusion of the investigation, do you?

Hot Water posted:

Ponz posted:

Hot Water posted:

Ponz posted:

GP 40 posted:

It is ironic that  60 Minutes chose to spend so much time on the AMTRAK 91, Cayce, SC incident during a segement criticizing the carriers implementation of PTC.

Had PTC NOT been mandated by Federal Law, the signal suspension would have not been necessary and this particular accident would not have occurred.

However you slice it, one way or the other, there was a lack of communication between the freight conductor and the dispatcher.

How do you know THAT, i.e. "lack of communication"?  There just might have been MISCOMMUNICATION.

 

No communication or miscommunication.  No matter how you slice it - it was between the freight conductor and the dispatcher.  All radio communication is recorded.  Let's hear it.

You don't really expect the NTSB, nor CSX, to release such information prior to the complete conclusion of the investigation, do you?

 

No, but all of this hoopla over PTC is mind boggling.  I'm far from an expert at model railroading, as you all know, but the "Rules For Conducting Transportation" are perfectly clear. The fatalities, in this case, rest on either the freight conductor or the dispatcher. 

Suppose there is PTC failure on a section of track.  Is CTC, ABS, TWC, DTC, or absolute block backups?

And is it true one does not need PTC in some yard limit situations, even if passenger trains run through it?

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Suppose there is PTC failure on a section of track.  Is CTC, ABS, TWC, DTC, or absolute block backups?

Yes.

And is it true one does not need PTC in some yard limit situations, even if passenger trains run through it?

No. But, PTC generally doesn't work within terminals, where the speed is 10 MPH or lower.