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Elk River Shay continued problems

JB Jeff B. HaertleinOGR Forum Member

Today I replaced the speaker and I tested the unit without the tender body on. And I did not mate up the drawbar from the engine to the tender. I had a good whistle and bell sound while operating it in TMCC and remote. I then disconnected everything and put the tender shell on and plugged in the back up light, screwed down the shell reassembled everything correctly, got the engine to move, but no bell, no whistle, and also slight air pump sounds which is fine. The remote couplers fired, but crew talk did not work, like it did without the tender shell. Since I have not been able to hear all the sounds, I don't even know if this engine has any type of exhaust (chugging) sounds, And to add to all these weird situations, when I pressed the whistle button on my MTH 4000, the whistle blew! When I hit the bell button of the transformer, the bell rang. What is up??!! The tender frame also has electrical tape running along the edge of the frame. Would this be causing a problem, if I did not get the tape back correctly, i.e. is the shell making contact with the frame causing problems. Help!

 

Thanks,

 

Jeff

 

 

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P PaperTRWOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

John is correct -- the serial data isn't reaching the sound boards, and the RailSounds system thinks it's in conventional.

To cover all the bases, first do a TMCC reset/restore of your locomotive. Instructions are found in your locomotive manual. Your loco uses the 4 code.

While I suppose it's possible, I doubt the problem is with the sound boards. Instead it might be the tether between the loco and tender (a leading possibility since you've been able to make things work without the shell), the motherboard in the tender, or even something in your locomotive. Given the tight confines of everything, I'd recommend taking it to a Lionel tech to examine.

Lastly, I don't believe the tape has anything to do with the issue, and I'm not aware of any Lionel locomotives coming with plastic screws.

TRW

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gunrunnerjohngunrunnerjohnOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

I also think the serial data is the top suspect, and it's most likely wiring, and not the boards.

The only time you'll see plastic screws is with TMCC upgrades that use the tender shell for the antenna.  When Weaver used the shell, they actually had a insulator that went all around and plastic grommets in the screw holes, not plastic screws.

I suspect with the shell off, you could wiggle each wire in the tether and probably track down which one is loose.  Of course, you could also trace out the serial data line and concentrate on that wire, it's the top suspect.

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