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In 1881 the ten kilometer Kaiping Tramway was built from Tangshan to Xugezhuang in China, connecting coal mines at Tangshan with Xugezhuang, where a canal connected it to the river network. It was built to the standard gauge of 4 ft 8.5in. The original plan was to use mules to haul wagons, but the loads proved to be too heavy. This one-cylinder engine was secretly (because of Chinese politics) improvised by the English engineer Claude W Kinder, who had organized the track-laying. It was called "The Rocket of China".

It allegedly combined the boiler of a steam crane with a frame of old iron and discarded wheels, though no sign of its crane heritage can be seen. It looks much more like a converted traction engine. It made its first test run on 9th June 1881. Presumably the problems of starting on a dead center (and it looks like it's on one now) were solved by hauling on the flywheel. Later it was rebuilt into a working three axle tank locomotive.

It is believed to be the first steam locomotive constructed in China.
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¹from the ultimate source of Unusual Locomotives...

 

http://www.douglas-self.com/MU...OCOLOCO/locoloco.htm

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That's pretty cool, but what ever happened to it?
 
Originally Posted by overlandflyer:

 "The Rocket of China" ...

 

chinese 1881a

In 1881 the ten kilometer Kaiping Tramway was built from Tangshan to Xugezhuang in China, connecting coal mines at Tangshan with Xugezhuang, where a canal connected it to the river network. It was built to the standard gauge of 4 ft 8.5in. The original plan was to use mules to haul wagons, but the loads proved to be too heavy. This one-cylinder engine was secretly (because of Chinese politics) improvised by the English engineer Claude W Kinder, who had organized the track-laying. It was called "The Rocket of China".

It allegedly combined the boiler of a steam crane with a frame of old iron and discarded wheels, though no sign of its crane heritage can be seen. It looks much more like a converted traction engine. It made its first test run on 9th June 1881. Presumably the problems of starting on a dead center (and it looks like it's on one now) were solved by hauling on the flywheel. Later it was rebuilt into a working three axle tank locomotive.

It is believed to be the first steam locomotive constructed in China.
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¹from the ultimate source of Unusual Locomotives...

 

http://www.douglas-self.com/MU...OCOLOCO/locoloco.htm

 

Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:
That's pretty cool, but what ever happened to it?
 
Originally Posted by overlandflyer:

 "The Rocket of China" ...

 

chinese 1881a

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It is believed to be the first steam locomotive constructed in China.
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¹from the ultimate source of Unusual Locomotives...

 

http://www.douglas-self.com/MU...OCOLOCO/locoloco.htm

 

if you follow that LOCOLOCO link i posted, under The Nielson One-Cylinder Loco you'll find the rest of the story on this locomotive, though as you will see, it's fate seems unsure.

I came across a picture for the Greater Winnipeg Water District Mac car #31 and trailer. And it held a few other gems, so I linked to it rather than copy pretty much the whole page. http://www.trainweb.org/oldtim...s/shortline/GWWD.htm
 
 
 
Originally Posted by mackb4:

Has this one been posted yet ? What is it ?

 

         

No. Looked for an hour or so but I couldn't find another. I suspect foreign RR with those old style passenger cars behind a "newer" engine. Cool loco for a bash.   

Good, I am glad you like it.  Here are a few more...
 
O.K., fine this isn't a train, but it is cool.
 
 
Experimental M2 #1100
 
U.S. Senate Monorail System, 1912.
 
Also not really a train, but it is a monorail vehicle.
 
The Boynton Monorail Railroad.
 
And a Train crash on that railroad...
Model Gyro-monorail motor car...
 
 
And This is an old monorail experiment.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by TrainsRMe:

This is the most entertaining thread I've seen in a long time.  I'm lovin' it!

 

Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:
I don't want to say I know what this locomotive is, but I am pretty sure someone reading this will know.  To me, the background looks like it's in Central to South America, but I could be wrong.
 
Originally Posted by mackb4:

Has this one been posted yet ? What is it ?

 

         

     I actually saw it while browsing info about  Milwaukee,Wis and this picture was on the page,but it doesn't really look like a North American design

 

         

       Here's another one that I did not realize made it all the way to a CSX paint scheme,the Seaboard Safety Cab GE with Bloomberg style trucks.

 

 

 

         

 

 

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Originally Posted by Adriatic:

Is the coupling really that close?

 

centercabsteamer

yes...with only the fireman in the rear cab and most of the engineer's control hardware moved to the center cab, there was really little sense in designing a large rear cab area.  less steps for the fireman to shovel fuel, too.  the Wootton firebox was so large, i've seen a few with a pair of side-by-side firebox doors.

Originally Posted by GCRailways:
All of these wierd and wacky trains make me wonder: has any railroad, anywhere in the world, ever recieved complaints from passengers or the general public about the ugliness of some locomotives or rolling stock?

More than one I would bet.

Originally Posted by overlandflyer:
Originally Posted by Adriatic:

Is the coupling really that close?

 

centercabsteamer

yes...with only the fireman in the rear cab and most of the engineer's control hardware moved to the center cab, there was really little sense in designing a large rear cab area.  less steps for the fireman to shovel fuel, too.  the Wootton firebox was so large, i've seen a few with a pair of side-by-side firebox doors.

I was really just pointing it out, but a double door box itself would be cool. Id never seen one before.

Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman:

 

 

 

 

 

I think that was the last loco to come out of Lima.

And a few more I found...

  Yes this next one is a steam engine

 

 

 

 

 

This is how someone thought they should convert from narrow gauge to standard...

Now this locomotive has quite a story...

 

C E Swinterton specifed that each driving wheel should actually be a polygon with 118 sides, each segment being about 2 inches long. The theory behind this quite daft arrangement was that the line contact at the intersection of each segment would have better rail adhesion than a circular wheel, which was supposed to have only a point contact; this is not of course actually the case as even steel deforms under enough pressure, so there is on fact a contact area even with a circular wheel.

 

 

 

 

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Now this locomotive has quite a story...

 

C E Swinterton specifed that each driving wheel should actually be a polygon with 118 sides, each segment being about 2 inches long. The theory behind this quite daft arrangement was that the line contact at the intersection of each segment would have better rail adhesion than a circular wheel, which was supposed to have only a point contact; this is not of course actually the case as even steel deforms under enough pressure, so there is on fact a contact area even with a circular wheel.

 

118 2" flat spots. Now that had to sound horrendous coming down the track.

That must have, my gosh.  I don't know, I think the crew would go insane before they reached 60 MPH from the horrible noise.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Forest:

Now this locomotive has quite a story...

 

C E Swinterton specifed that each driving wheel should actually be a polygon with 118 sides, each segment being about 2 inches long. The theory behind this quite daft arrangement was that the line contact at the intersection of each segment would have better rail adhesion than a circular wheel, which was supposed to have only a point contact; this is not of course actually the case as even steel deforms under enough pressure, so there is on fact a contact area even with a circular wheel.

 

118 2" flat spots. Now that had to sound horrendous coming down the track.

 

Not a loco but how about the first "dome" car?

 

 

Sorry never mind..it appears that I can no longer access the photo easily by hoopla. I cant figure out how to load a video here any longer either. Some pictures have just become too hard to find again with that stupid composing tool. I have made no changes to my system personally. I give up for today, and while not "premium" am again seriously considering dropping OGF as a pastime, composition is often just too frustrating on a 1.5 inch tool screen. 

 

mackb4 posted:

Has this one been posted yet ? What is it ?

 

         

It's one of two Milwaukee Road home-built diesels for light branch line passenger service and nicknamed "Bulldogs".  Each had a EMD prime mover which powered only the front truck and was equipped with a baggage compartment.

 

Milw Bulldog

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Since 2013, I've found a few oddities myself...

3637

0-10-0 tank engine, bi directional. 

40

Inspection Locomotive on the Reading Railroad #100

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Another Inspection Locomotive, #360 from unknown railroad

109 [Columbia' locomotive, Lowell Machine Shop]

Drawing of a locomotive from 1852

112 [Philadelphia & Reading Railroad, Locomotive No. 19, ''Nashville'', with tender]

#19 in 1865

120 [Atlantic Coast Line R.R. Co., Road No. 434]

Here's a Baldwin Steam Donkey ( I think they call it that.)

125 [Northern Central, Locomotive 47]134

First Locomotive in East Hollywood.  

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Madison I cant find my glasses is that your barbeque grill?

Ok...Oh its one of those portable fish smokers!  And theres tea to drink!

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biteme

The Mad Max of oddball trains Mad Madison

(just caught up on the Cuyamaca  )

 

    I don't buy it.  There's something really odd here all right.

     The statement "Type one diesel" didn't strike me right. Air Cooled VW's are another hobby now retired. They produced a Type 1 diesel only two protoype motors. the design didn't translate to diesel well. They made industrial motors as gasoline flat-4's too. I'm aware of  Wikipedia for a double check says 1951.  The VW diesel is a 70's upright straight block 1600cc, the most common air cooled boxer-4 is 1600cc too. Too many what the's, for this set of Fuchs rims.  I'm pretty sure there are lots more Type-1, T-2, T-3 & Type IV air cooled's we havent seen yet. I'm talking about dozen or two. Couldn't find any info outside of this photo either. 

   I am willing to try to accept its a much later custom rail car. VW builders are the kit-bashers of the automotive world. Very much as "sick" as we are

Very cool though

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...And now....here's something we hope you'll really like..

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Nothin up ma sleve...

Presto!

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