Hey LIRR fans, question about MTH F-7

Too bad they never had powered F-7's

SIRT, the three LIRR F-7's were only cab control/head end power cars.  As bluelinec4 implied they were never used as locomotives (powered).

Stuart

Yes they were never powered  They were HEP units just like the FA's  They had them but there weren't any prime movers.  I wish they did the MP15 in the LIRR  There are probably 5 different schemes they can be done in   Are you listening Charlie!!!!!!!

The LIRR had received 5 F units all second hand. Four of them were rebuilt upon arrival as control stand HEP cabs. 619and 620 were from the Milwaukee rd I believe and 621, 622 were from the B&O. The fifth unit 623 was never rebuilt  for HEP service and also never ran in LIRR service. It was at Morris Park for a while before being scrapped sometime in the 1980's

Sorry Steve no Penn Central

This may be late, but the question was about the dialog in a toy train. I don't care what F the LIRR had or used. Too bad some of us have a problem paying attention.

Lets see who is paying attention in case you don't understand.  The HEP units had no tractive motors  The engines supplied heat and electricity to old MU cars.  So the only sound they made was like a generator   Like Hmmmmmmm  No throttle up or down  No big gusts of black smoke   They later had their engines removed and a small generator sled was put in them  So they didn't even have the same generator sound.  Too bad you have an attitude

The original question is about WHAT the dialog is in a TOY train. NOT the reality. This is a hobby, we're not driving real trains here....or maybe you are(Hmmmmm)???

You started a thread for LIRR fans in the title about their F7's    A few have responded to you  They are the same sounds as the original F7  What the LIRR fans are trying to point out to you is that it doen's matter which sound is in them  They never existed for an F7 on the LIRR.   I understand its a hobby and enjoy it very much until I run into some people that don't care about what others are saying.  Have fun with your toy.

Excuse me Mister white collar  Didn't mean to lower your standards

Former Long-Islander here (except I root for the Giants, Rangers, and Yankess, but that's besides the point):  That would be "Greenport" -- all the way out east.

This thread has deteriorated a bit, but when I lived on LI I recall an article in Newsday, and seeing in action, some old F-units that had been refurbished so that they could run off the third rail, thereby allowing them to run all the way into Penn Station.  This would have been in the mid-1990s or so.  The refurb work was undertaken to help save time for those patrons who commuted from eastern portions of the LIRR service area that were not yet electrified -- this way they could take one train and not have to transfer, typically at Jamaica.  So I think that LIRR did actually operate F-units that were actually moving the trains.  Just thought it was an interesting aside.  I don't miss commuting on the LIRR!

Sorry no  They were FL-9's borrowed from MEtro North

It may have the same sound set as the one I picked for our GP-38 that MTH made for us a few years back

Great photo.  Thanks.  So at least my memory is not totally gone -- they were FLs.  ;-) I am not an F unit guru, but I assume those were a later run variant by EMD?  I wonder what became of them -- probably sitting on a siding somewhere in Queens or Brooklyn.  I remember many years ago seeing a photo of an NYC S-1 switcher rotting on an old siding.  Sad to see, as a train enthusiast. 

FL-9s were built for the New Haven.  They had three sources of power: diesel, catenary, and third rail.  They also were the only F's with a four wheel front truck and a six wheel rear truck.  Many survived Penn Central, Conrail, Metro-North, and on to museums and tourist lines:

Jon

The FL9 saw service until 2005  They were all built for the New Haven and wore a number of different schemes   There are still a few left sitting in Connecticut  Third Rail just did this model and it is awesome

Catenary??

Sorry, only outside third rail and diesel power.

Thanks for the information.  Interesting stuff -- learn something new here everyday.  Makes sense New Haven would want versatile locomotives -- they had all their bases covered with that locomotive.

The truck wheel arrangement -- four up front and six in the rear -- seems odd.  Probably due to some particular feature NH needed? 

Needed to carry all that extra weight from the additional electrical cabinets in the rear of the "F unit". The FL9 still had only four traction motors total.

Wow!!! Great Banter!!!!

Banter???

I know for a fact that the LIRR had some kind if F series, painted the way it was made by MTH. I commuted on it. The pic that shows the F borrowed from Metro North, was a paint scheme after the merger or takeover/consolidation under Metro North, which I believe happened in the 70's. The LIRR had an F, at one point just like the MTH model. I can't find a pic quickly, but that model exist. I'm older than u, I should know.

I get it now, older makes you smarter?

No, it means that you have experienced/saw many things

The engine may have been an Alco(???).

Unfamiliar with posting pics, but check this site:

http://www.trainsarefun.com/LI...lendar1986-March.jpg

this site has a roster of engines, and shows their F's with many others:

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrcontents.htm

Obviously NOT grammar nor spelling!

Gentle Forum Members,

I want to say this FL9 in the borrowed Metro North livery was made by K-Line, but . . . . . . hit me if I’m wrong, it could be a Lionel model.   A few years old but a good solid engine.

The LIRR borrowed the FL9s from their sister road, Metro North for the express purpose of testing new bi-level car prototypes around the property.  These locomotives and their test cars saw service on all LIRR lines measuring clearances and operational parameters.  For whatever mechanical reason, (lost to me at the moment), the LIRR had no locomotives suited to pull and operate the prototype bi-levels, only the FL9s would do.  Following the successful test operations, new bi-level C-3 cars and new DE and DM locomotives were built and put into service on the LIRR.  The FL9s went back to Metro North and the prototype bi-levels have been put in service on the Saratoga and North Creek Railroad in upstate NY.

Below are a couple of K-Line engines, a powered MP1500 and an unpowered, (light bulb only), F HEP unit.  These are part of the “famous,” (on Long Island anyway), K-Line “Greenport Scoot” outfit.  The all inclusive set included two Pullman Standard P72 coaches with blue stripe, one PS P72 bar car with red stripe, track, transformer and the engines.  Following, K-Line offered a two car “add-on” pack of P72s with blue stripe.   

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To elaborate just a bit further regarding the use of the A1A truck at the rear of the FL9 for the purpose of spreading the weight per axle, it was specifically the New York Central's Park Avenue Viaduct which necessitated it.

The FL9 units which were assigned to the LIRR were among the group rebuilt with the 710 Series prime mover.

Bob 

The Metro-North one was made by K-Line. I have to watch mine closely when Locolawyer comes over. He really wants it.

Gerry

Those were the ones used as cab control/head end power cars for the old single deck push/pull trains.  To push/pull the trains the LIRR used Alco C-420's, RS-3's, EMD GP38-2's and MP15ACs.  The F units (and FA cabs units) provided no traction (the had no traction motors) to move the train.

Stuart