I want scale Navy cars

First let me say Charles;  "Thank you for serving"  Yes I definitely would like to see some scale Navy cars.  My dad served as a sailor on the U.S.S Providence and my son is currently serving as an MA-2 in the middle east. I have some traditional size NAVY cars which are fine but they mostly on display.  Prototypical or not I would like to have some scale NAVY rolling stock behind some of my engines.

I had not thought about it, but I have not seen much, you are right.  Some Seabees cars would be fairly easy to create yourself, I suppose.  I'm sure someone has produced a scale Navy loco sometime, somewhere?

I agree.  I have seen pictures of huge barrels from WWII era battleship cannons loaded on flatcars.  That would make a very interesting naval flatcar(s)!

Kline made a nice Navy flat with an airplane on it. It is semi scale.

The Marines are naval infantry so technically their apparatus could go in a Navy train as well.

Model of Mobile Boat Pool One's "Mike Boat" #8 from WWII and Korean War days. 

Good idea.  As a Navy man, I'm not excited about the existing Lionel Navy products.  I think MTH makes a flat car with Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIB), but they could use a good paint job to make them look like something Naval forces would use.  Also, some Mk 5 or other Special Boat Unit items would be awesome.

i love the landing craft on a flat car Dewey. I looked at the one that model crafters

offered but I didn't want to spend $350 dollars. Wish I had, but at that price

I would have a very short train. Making a C B car would be fairly easy Lee, a flat car,

some earth moving equipment, and some talent. I could get everything but the talent.

The gun barrels, torpedoes, depthcharges, 16inch shells, bombs, planes,helos, and

the list goes on. The point in this post is that I was hoping that enough people

would like to have scale military cars and one of the train manufactures might 

take the hint.

GELLER TRAINS has a Flat Car with a Landing Craft on it for a little over $100.00!!!

 

FREDSTRAINS

I understand most, if not all , Armed Services cannon and tube were made in the Waterviliet Arsenal in Albany County, NY. I should think they would have shipped them everywhere which would allow some good modeling. There is extensive extensive track work in the 200 acre siteAlong with some abandoned rs 3s and a sw2. They might be a good modeling project in themselves.

Fred

Michael

 

"The Marines are naval infantry"

 

You just caused Chesty Puller to roll over in his grave.

 

Larry

Semper Fi

The only drawback is I think that the Geller LCM is 1:64 scale.

 

For $100 you can make your own scale LCM on a flatcar.  Hobby Boss's 1:48 kit sells for $40-$50 and will mount on a 52' flatcar.  In my model below, I didn't even paint the LCM as the plastic is already grey.  Also, pretty easy to assemble the kit.

 

 

 

Jim

I agree. Go Navy

 

I'm more into Army stuff than Navy but it seems to me I have seen some Navy cars on eBay every now and then.  Check it out you may just find some there.

 

Rick

 

Geller Toy Trains made these Weaver PS1 Navy box cars. The grey was one road number the latter version was available in three road numbers.

If this is a scale discussion, as I gather it is, why isn't it on the "SCALE" forum and not here on the traditional size forum.  Not being one to limit O gaugers enjoyment of the hobby, I would like to see more Navy and military stuff in both traditional and scale sizes. 

 

I like and purchase Geller Trains with military loads.  At least they provide an option above Lionel and MTH.  Their offerings are a great value for the money.

 

I have no problem with scale O gauge forum members but please post these threads on your forum and not troll here.  We are very happy with our size trains.

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

 

 

Do not troll over here? Totally an uncalled for statement. This is everyone's forum and if people want to talk about scale what's the problem?

Come now Chris.  There is a 3 rail scale forum right?  I don't understand why topics relating to that forum are not delt with there.  When I see comments on this forum stating car is too small, car is not this or that because it is traditional sized, yes I do take offense with these comments on this forum.  These comments are uncalled for. 

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

There's also this collection of blue/white tank cars  seen at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard on Google Maps. Can't seem to find any photos of them (no big surprise), and they don't seem to roam off the property. There are a fair number of them sitting around the shipyard.

 

---PCJ

Steve. I agree some look down there nose at non scale equipment but this post was just stating it would be nice to see some NAVY scale cars. I don't think anyone had the intention to put down who run traditional trains. I run a mix of scale,traditional,tinplate O and standard gauge and a small loop of S gauge. At the end of the day they are all "TOYS" We all enjoy are hobby in different way's and price ranges but in my opinion there is no right or wrong when it comes to model trains.

The "3 Rail Scale" forum refers to a specialized part of 3-rail, using scale flanges, fixed pilots on diesels, and other scale features to make equipment more to scale than ordinary "scale" 3-rail equipment. The main forum encompasses 3-rail equipment that is made to scale, or not. To point out that a particular piece of equipment is or is not built to scale is a normal part of a discussion and there is no reason to take offense. The member who started this topic was looking for scale size, 3-rail equipment. 

Dear TEX

I do not remember saying anything derogatory about non scale cars and since

I don't mind some fantasy in my RailRoad, I don't think the 3rail scale forum

would be the place to post. I think everyone should enjoy the freedom to express

their desire for a particular type of a car that they would like to see made. I

would hope that no one on the forum would try to stop someone from having an

opinion. I have a preference for scale size cars.

Thanks to all that had a suggestion or a desire to see more scale size military

cars.

The main ship I served on was the William H Stanley. CG32  STG3

I did not state that you said anything against traditional size items.  What I am confused about is why this topic relating to scale Navy cars in not appropriate on the 3 rail scale forum.  Isn't that what that forum is for.  I say again, being an ex Navy veteran, I would like to see any Navy item in any scale produced, but if I were to author a thread about scale Navy I would do it on the 3 rail scale forum. 

 

Maybe you may enlighten me on why the 3 scale forum exists and what type of topics should be posted there.  Hi-rail, 027 and traditional 3 rail is just what it says.  I don't see any scale size mentioned in this forum title.

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

Maybe you may enlighten me on why the 3 scale forum exists and what type of topics should be posted there.  Hi-rail, 027 and traditional 3 rail is just what it says.  I don't see any scale size mentioned in this forum title.

 

Take a look at the 3RS forum and you will see. Most of the posts are about scale flanges, Kadee couplers, adding or changing details on locomotives to make them more correct, kit building and scratchbuilding, decals, paint, etc. And with regard to the title of the main forum, the term "Hi-Rail" was coined to describe 3-rail layouts that were more realistic than traditional Lionel. The term specifically includes scale size equipment for operation on 3-rail track. 3RS is a special niche for modelers who are looking for more realistic models than scale size hi-rail. 

 

Personally, I run mostly scale size equipment in 0 gauge, but I also run 0 gauge European tinplate and original and repro Standard Gauge. It's all for fun. 

Me, too.

Thanks to Chris and Southwest Hiawatha for trying to explain the difference

between 3-Rail Scale, which I thought was very detailed and as close to the real

thing as possible, and scale size but not necessarily prototypiclal. When I said 

the cars could be fantasy cars, I thought that ruled out 3-Rail Scale.

Now, can we get back to the trains.

I would also like some scale Navy equipment.   My father was Seabee and I served in the surface Navy.  

 

I could see some flat cars with jeeps and construction equipment painted in Navy gray.  I could also see box cars for ammunition, etc.  I think that the flat cars with the landing craft are very attractive.  

 

Joe

I wonder if the body on the Lionel Navy SW-2 switcher was decorated accurately?  If it was, it could be mounted on a diecast frame (623, etc) to make a more realistic engine.  

IMO, scale sized military cars would definitely sell.  Navy & USAF have both been neglected and both actually operated a variety of equipment.

 

BTW, if Charles had posted this on the 3RS forum he would have been jumped on.  This is the correct forum, as stated this is for Hi-Rail as well as traditional.

Rich Yoder made a flat car set that carried a naval gun a couple of years ago.  It was done in two rail and was a real beauty.  I would have loved a 3 rail version.  Rich's model was really interesting.

 

Norm

Not sure how I found this thread, but thanks guys! More Navy ideas and opportunities!. I've been looking for a Navy caboose, since my oldest went Navy, instead of Coast Guard. Geller looks like an option!

I liked this car:

 

 

 

even though it came in the wrong box.

A Navy vet myself, I have never seen active rail cars at the many Navy bases I've visited.  I've seen many old tracks in disrepair.  The only tracked item I've seen in action are the giant cranes on maintenance piers at Pearl Harbor (clearly visible in the background at the opening of the movie "Caine Mutiny."  Catching them in action is a rare thing in itself.  Anyone have eyewitness accounts, or even better photos, of trains in motion at Navy bases?

Back in the late 80s when my ship was in drydock I remember a couple of yellow centercabs pushing gondola's of what appeared to be mostly scrap around Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth VA.  

Here's some info on the Naval Weapons Station - Seal Beach old rail system.  All armaments now moved from the storage area to the dock by truck.  Looks like the new 44 ton locos from WBB and MTH have the potential for naval livery could be used in place of the GE 80 ton locos shown in the links.  Here's an earlier forum post about the GE 80 Ton.  Along with some Navy box cars you could create a naval ammunition area with lots of possible switching action.

 

Aerial view

 

Dockside 1

 

Dockside 2

 

 

Larry

 

 

 

 

 

Very interesting pics, thanks for posting.  An image of a warship's profile would make for an interesting backdrop on a pierside layout.  I supposed a 500 foot ship would have to be scaled down to 8 or 9 feet in proportion with O scale trains.  Makes trains seem small in comparison.  Anyone have pics of a pierside layout to share?

During the first Gulf War we lived along the tracks between Naval Weapons Station Earle inland facility and the coast. It was long before my interest in trains and before my NROTC daughter was born. I remember noticing them and the definite wartime increase in use. I also saw (although only semi related). A running train at the Coast Guard Academy, when the same daughter was still considering the USCG.