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I am in the early phases of building a layout.  I’m working in a 15’ x 25’ room.  I am installing standards and brackets on the wall to hold train tables and shelves.  These brackets will hold the back of the main bench with legs at the front, and an upper level bench.

I am concerned with leveling the brackets when I installed them on studs.  I used a laser level that shoots a line around the room.  Looking at things now that the standards are installed, I am somewhat out of level.  I have a variation of about 3/8” with a few areas 1/2”.  Not sure why this happened; inaccurate laser, incompetent installer, or both?  I did check things with an old school level as I went, so somewhat confused.  The laser supposedly has an accuracy of 1/9" self leveling and 1/9" shooting around the room.  These variations are over a long distance, one wall to another.  Adjacent brackets read very close to level.

What is an acceptable level variation on a train bench?  Do I need to start adjusting the 30 or so brackets, or is this acceptable.

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It's not whether your bench is level... it's whether the TRACK is level.  Your benchwork could be perfect (IMO 3/8" variation is too much.)  But if you build your layout with warped and bellied Fastrack sections (unfortunately common), vintage tubular that has been stepped on, mismatched roadbed from different vendors or batches, high joints between sections of sub-roadbed, etc., you have a recipe for frustration.

Common postwar steam locos like 2034, 2055 are the worst.  They will slow down or stall at the slightest grade or increase in friction.  Their gear ratios are terrible, there's not enough RPM or torque to maintain a set speed.  Conversely, modern locomotives with cruise control will run through a brick wall without slowing, like a robot.  The trade-off with modern locos is a host of possible problems with the electronics, tach sensor, rubber tires, control systems, etc.

I would invest in a bubble level that's no more than 4"-6" long, about the same as a steam loco's rigid wheelbase.  Slide it along the rails or the intended right-of-way as if it were a locomotive.  Depending on your motive power roster, ANY significant bump or grade could affect operation.  And if  you are intentionally building a grade, remember that you have to begin AND end the slope GRADUALLY.  If you go immediately from flat to even a 2% grade, your next post will be about painting liquid tape on the underside of the loco pilot ("cow catcher")!  Hope you're able to get it sorted out and running smoothly!

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@Ted S posted:

It's not whether your bench is level... it's whether the TRACK is level.

Well, that's hardly the whole story.  If the benchwork isn't level, it's going to be a lot more difficult to get the trackwork level.  I'd seriously start with getting the benchwork as level as possible, it's a bunch easier to level the trackwork if you have a good base.

I found the problem and improved things greatly.  I actually have two laser levels (bought one years ago and forgot), but they are both low end made in a large asian county.  I discovered that one of them had poor calibration (not user adjustable), determined by rotating unit 180.  I took the poor unit out of the picture, and with the good unit I had a much better outcome with only a small section off.  I adjusted the small section and I am now with 1/8” variation.  I can live with that.  Thanks for your comments.

Bill

I know the OP was asking about stud-mounted wall brackets, but for my freestanding layout, I installed adjustable feet on the bottom of each table leg, which can be screwed in or out to lower or raise the top of the layout. No real science to it -- I just parked a four-foot bubble level on the track, manually lifted the low end until it was level, then unscrewed the relevant foot/feet to hold the top at that height, before repeating in both directions until everything was level. Easy peasy . . .

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I am planning the adjustable leg concept where I have legs and have bought a bunch of adjusters already.

I have many levels.  I have 2', 4', and 6'.  One of the 4' is an old smart level the gives a read out of how many degrees one is out.  I used them as I went, but if one is putting up a lot of brackets on a long wall its possible for the adjacent brackets to be just a few degrees out, but for the whole system to drift up and down over a long distance.  Its a big room.

I assumed the basement floor was irregular and did not measure from it.

I get the idea that ultimately the track level is what counts.  I have tubular in good condition (mostly K-Line).

Bill

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