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Lionel Dealer Display Layouts, Factory Layouts and Postwar Layouts

JagrickJagrickOGR Forum Member
Reading Lionel's description of the train "being locked in place" was a clue. The law of every action having an opposite an equal reaction is only applicable in a frictionless vacuum (and my liquid cooled bearing on the space station are out for repair. So there had to be a trick somewhere. Looking at the few pictures of the original I had, I noticed a small tab adjacent to the turntable and reasoned that something went there, basically an arm to hold the train in place. So I fashioned a small restraint (I'll post some pictures) that as the train starts up allows it to push against the resistance of the table and bearing. Amazingly once it is running, most of the time the train does not contact the arm. If disaster in the form of a derailment occurs it is usually with too rapid of a start or stop.  

  So,..What is the lazy susan's designs premise?

    Is the rolling stock held in place? Or is it well synced motors?

 

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A AdriaticOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Jagrick:
Reading Lionel's description of the train "being locked in place" was a clue. The law of every action having an opposite an equal reaction is only applicable in a frictionless vacuum (and my liquid cooled bearing on the space station are out for repair. So there had to be a trick somewhere. Looking at the few pictures of the original I had, I noticed a small tab adjacent to the turntable and reasoned that something went there, basically an arm to hold the train in place. So I fashioned a small restraint (I'll post some pictures) that as the train starts up allows it to push against the resistance of the table and bearing. Amazingly once it is running, most of the time the train does not contact the arm. If disaster in the form of a derailment occurs it is usually with too rapid of a start or stop.  

  So,..What is the lazy susan's designs premise?

    Is the rolling stock held in place? Or is it well synced motors?

 

 Thanks for the confirmation.

I looked for the arm, but haven't seen it yet.

 

The no contact part is interesting too.

 So you got lucky with a good bearing choice too, considering the lack of cooling and all

 

(Thanks again)

 

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The original were from a gentlemen that had owned the base for only a few weeks before he sold it, luckily he had taken the pictures I needed to reverse engineer and replicate the construction. The internet has been a great source of information and research for me on this and other thing I like to work on and research. Here is another project of mine-1968 e-type jaguar being restored in my shop.

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 Wow, those cars are nightmares like that. Good thing you have a Jeep to go to for keep your sanity up with.

 I've done full restorations before, but not on those. I have looked close at them both before though. I ran/owned/sold a Valet parking service and did it off and on at night for 17 years. There isn't much I haven't driven and/or stuck my head into (with the owners permissions of course)(including 1 only prototypes for a Ford-Ghia Pinto-ish thing, Lightings, Cyclones, SHO, Merc. Marauder(we almost got a twin turbo v-8), etc.

 After the Ferrari 308, I hated all foreign "Super Cars" except for the Acura NSX.

A comfort and blind spot issue, a semi trucks length, starting at your ears.

Driving them in traffic is a skill in itself. (Actually driving these jewels is offered up much more than you might expect. No valet, at my company, that I know of, ever got stupid in "real car" without permission. I figure I've made near two grand on tips given just TO smoke the tires. No, problem Sir ..Thank you)

(I took on a few other high speed challenges too).  

  The E-type is the perfect Jag. They represent the best balance of sport, and luxury to me. 

 

Thanks for showing off. I see now how you have room, and great skills, to help pull it off with all the dealer layouts.   

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Thanks for kind words...spent many hours in the Industrial arts classroom as my father taught that in his early teaching career (and is still going strong!) We also have a '58 MGA and finished is a '55 T-bird and '57 corvette. The two jags are a real challenge as there is no frame, as it is a monocoque. But I made a jig based on the FHC and using it in the OTS--long term projects but fun all the same.

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These are from an auction on ebay-Bid on station but went for several thousand dollars i believe. Anyway, a simple plan. two relays, 12 v electromagnetic normally open style. When train A enters Block No.1 it is stopped and simultaneously triggers the control rail of block 2, where train B is stopped. This closes the relay of block 2 and energizes Block No. 2 sending  train B on its way. When train B passes over the control track for Block 1 (where train A is stopped) the relay is closed and train A is on its way. D63 wiring

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F fredswainOGR Forum Member

My dad and I have been planning to restore his D-63 for several years now. Space and time have always been the limiting factors. I have all of the components and my house but sadly the tunnel is long gone and will need to be recreated. His was the display in Younkers Department Store in Downtown Des Moines over the Christmas 1952 season. My grandfather bought it as they were taking it down. I think he paid $200 for it and all of the accessories and trains that came with it. He also got the stainless passenger car set and Western Pacific F-units in that price as well. It was a great end of season deal.

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fredswain posted:

My dad and I have been planning to restore his D-63 for several years now. Space and time have always been the limiting factors. I have all of the components and my house but sadly the tunnel is long gone and will need to be recreated. His was the display in Younkers Department Store in Downtown Des Moines over the Christmas 1952 season. My grandfather bought it as they were taking it down. I think he paid $200 for it and all of the accessories and trains that came with it. He also got the stainless passenger car set and Western Pacific F-units in that price as well. It was a great end of season deal.

If you get the opportunity while restoring it, post photos! The D-63 is so very cool

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I have had good luck recreating the felt tunnel with hide glue and heavy  felt. I used a dark grey color that mimics lionel's choice as well. The painting is more difficult as artistic issues come into play but I did source some casein paint to once again try to replicate components used by lionel. On the Lazy susan display it worked quite well.

B BurlingtonBillOGR Forum Member

I have really enjoyed reading this entire thread and especially seeing the pics of the display layouts. I can't quite figure out aspects of the "moving highway" on the D-63. Are there TWO motors, one for each belt (they move in opposite directions!) And are the cars fastened down to the highway lane-belt? They must have to circulate, returning upside down before re-emerging again at the opposite end. (Nobody has addressed these as far as I can tell. I did see the pulley pics and the other shots.)

F fredswainOGR Forum Member

The highway is just a simple loop. One end of the loop is hidden in the city and the other end is hidden in the mountain. The cars run on pins that stick up through the table. Those pins are attached to a simple chain. One end of the chain is on a free spinning sprocket and the other end is on a sprocket that is attached to a motor. It's very simple.

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The D-63/road operation is of interest. It may be just a slight description varience, but...

The one very tattered unit I remember seeing in the 60s, was cars on two belts, each being pulled the correct direction on the underside by pins on chain as described. I thought the belt had pins or someting too but I'm having memory trouble there. I haven't gone back to look here today, but I recall thinking that one had a slightly different look to the buildings, cars, and tunnel at least. A variant?

The workings and exacting "how-to" of this stuff interests me far more than seeing the finished product in all honesty.

I'm the type that would disassemble a brand new car to see how something was done differently. (And have)

B BurlingtonBillOGR Forum Member
fredswain posted:

The highway is just a simple loop. One end of the loop is hidden in the city and the other end is hidden in the mountain. The cars run on pins that stick up through the table. Those pins are attached to a simple chain. One end of the chain is on a free spinning sprocket and the other end is on a sprocket that is attached to a motor. It's very simple.

Fred, I have never actually seen a real D-63. If you could snap a few closeups, I'd appreciate it. I can't for the life of me quite visualize what you are describing. Sorry - you're the lucky guy with one of these.

Bill

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