Thank you for taking the time to look up and post the rules by which r/r's are required 

to follow.

 

To me it seems this is the nowadays solution To a problem/accident which could have

been avoided...never admit guilt because it is always somebody's else's fault.

 

i see this used quite often, esp referred to as "Talking Points" by many in our government and public life. What it means to me is that "we didn't take the time

to do a through check of the consequences of the situation."

In number two above, can a "CONTROL POINT" be used to mark at least one of the limits of the work area?

 

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In number two above, can a "CONTROL POINT" be used to mark at least one of the limits of the work area?

Yes, it could. And, in this case, that is probably what would have happened.

In most cases that I am aware of, mileposts are only used to separate two trains, or a work train and a MoW crew when they need to be between two consecutive controls points in order to do their work. The DISPATCHER will give each crew its own track authority with the milepost stated. 

 

The need for a track authority is also needed if a MoW crew is working near , but, not on the track.

 

As Rich said, the movie crew had no authority from the CSX dispatcher to be there.

I have found in personal experiences that "It's/That's complicated" is the cop out answer used to try to give themselves some kind of legal safety net.  Almost never works out, but people use it all the same.  If they say no, they are fully in the wrong and admit it.  If they say yes, they are flat out lying and that's never good in the end.  The complicated response is a lame way to try to stay in the middle and save face, not that any face can be saved here.

The Hollywood trade magazine Variety is talking to better people. 

 

http://goo.gl/DBZhS8

 

At least the railroad is not being blamed and attention is where it should be, on the movie company officers.

 

The Facebook page that is a memorial for Sarah Jones has gone worldwide. As of 11O PM Thursday, the page has over 47,228 "likes."

 

You need a Facebook account to see this link. https://www.facebook.com/slatesforsarah

 

One of the job duties of the 2nd Camera Assistant is to do "the slate" or in layman terms, the clapper board. To honor her memory, camera crews around the world are putting her name on their slates.

A small article in today's paper states that the producers are shutting down production of the movie and that no permission was granted to be on CSX property.

Instead of uttering verbal fecal material, "no comment" might be a better answer.  Silence is golden.  Resistance is futile!

Thought I would move this up to the top, since the Atlanta Journal Constitution (I think that is the name) has an article, on line today, with confirmation from the County Sherif's office, stating & CONFIRMING, that the "film crew" did NOT have permission from CSX to be on the track nor bridge.

 

I do not know how to link to the on-line article.

Here's the article.

 

http://www.accessatlanta.com/w...ng-filming-fatality/

 

There was also a story related to it on the front page of the Business section of the New York Times today, about safety on film sets.

 

David

The AJC has camera assistant Tony Summerlin as saying...

 

that the crew had discussed trains and safety, but asked if the crew had secured proper permitting to film in the track he said, "As a camera person you don't show up and ask, 'where's the permit?' You're trying to make a movie. You're thinking safety but you're thinking that's someone else's job."

 

That is quite a contrast to the mind set behind a message that the UP once put on the sides of cabooses.

 

Safety Is Everybody's Business

 

 

Even better:

Star William Hurt has not publicly commented but discussed the matter in an email obtained by the Los Angeles Times.

"Hurt said he was twice assured that the bridge was safe for filming," the Times reported. "He then asked "how long the crew had to get off if by some impossible chance another train came" and was told 60 seconds."

"I said, '60 seconds is not enough time to get us off this bridge,'" Hurt wrote, according to the Times. "There was a communal pause. No one backed me up. Then, we ..... Just went ahead. I took off my shoes, got on the heavy, metal hospital bed and began preparing," Hurt wrote. Then the train came. "We didn't have 60 seconds. We had less than 30."

(emphasis mine)

So the star of the movie says "this ain't right" and...no effect whatsoever. That and the cameraman's remark point to a...well, the last kind of climate you'd want to exist on a potentially hazardous worksite.

 

---PCJ

Someone earlier mentioned the "Twilight Zone" helicopter crash that killed Vic Morrow and two children.  In that case, the helicopter pilot voiced concern about explosives going off too close to his aircraft and was essentially told to shut up and do his job.  Sounds like safety still isn't much of a priority in the movie industry...

 Safety is just another one of those burdensome government regulations that business wants to get rid of.

 

 

 

That's  not a fair comment sir. I would imagine that MOST businesses have good safety regulations and practices in place and many are even proud of their good records.

 

Truthfully,  there are far too many government regulations that actually hinder business in America and put us at a disadvantage in world competition.

An interesting analogy out here in California is what happens occasionally when very large winter swells (surf) travels down the coast. People go out onto piers and jetties to see the big waves or to go fishing or sight seeing but don't understand large waves travel in "sets" and long periods up to 20 minutes can occur between them. Once they realize a 15 to 20 ft wave is bearing down on them it's too late. I wonder if it's the same way with trains? People really think they will have plenty of warning and time to get out of the way or that the train can just stop on a dime. I would be willing to bet that was the thought process by someone in charge on that film crew.

All well and good, but you are forgetting that these idiots were TRESPASSING ON AN ACTIVE RAILROAD MAIN LINE! Plus, on a bridge at that.

Agree but more likely you had one idiot in charge and his convenient thinking was that they would have plenty of time to get out of the way. 60 seconds per Mr. Hurt's quote. Regardless, the tresspass part of it will be a lively topic of discussion in criminal court and during the lawsuit(s) that will follow.

There is detailed article about the movie production company's history of negligence on a previous production on Deadline.

 

http://www.deadline.com/2014/0...ndall-miller-safety/

 

 

 

Andrew

I'll second that c.sam, at work I'm constantly finding out OSHA regs that make no sense, I can't have an extension cord longer than 6 feet because it's a tripping hazard but I can have a 12 foot cord on a shop vac and that isn't a tripping hazard. Or the fact we can't use shop vacs to clean up plastic or wood dust because those items are explosive, isn't that what shop vacs were originally used for, cleaning up sawdust and such, that plus they came with the equipment as standard. Or the best one yet, we have 4 fire extinguishers here that have labels on them that say NON-FLAMMABLE GAS ?!?! I certainly hope so!

I actually had an inspector tell me I couldn't eat an Oreo cookie at my work station because I had a bottle of acetone there and I might accidentally put the acetone in my mouth instead of the cookie. I may not be a member of Mensa but I'm pretty sure if I picked up the bottle of acetone I wouldn't accidentally try to eat it.

 

Jerry

My experiences pretty well align with falconservices referenced article.  I guess I've worked for too many Shearouse's.  Especially the bit a about chain of command, that's just a joke, the City Manager will stand behind and has every trust in the decisions of his direct reports and who do you think you are challenging them.

 

And somewhere in every chain of command there will be someone like Shearouse who is someones lapdog who will tell you just to get it done whatever it takes: now.  And if you get injured it's your fault for not being safe so your fired.  That's how you keep your safety stats up.

 

A fire extinguisher, when loaded with compress gases, can act as a bomb or projectile if heated or misused.  Hence, it is so marked.

 

Some items we think as "safe" can be very dangerous under some conditions.  We don't think of water as explosive.  Yet superheated steam is very explosive and dangerous if there is a compromised pressure vessel.

 

There are some very stupid things governemnts do, like the 6' cord issue.  Because somebody is going to get an extension, and make the who situation MORE DANGEROUS!  (or you have to be 14 to plau with trains alone.  Are not computers plugged into the wall at least part of the time?)

 

However, if case of the extinguishers, I think the danger warninf IS wanted. 

My point is if a fire extinguisher is used to put out fires in what scenario would you charge it with a flammable gas? That would turn it into a flame thrower wouldn't it?

Why not just label it as containing gas under pressure?

 

Jerry

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Why not just label it as containing gas under pressure?

 

Are they pre-printed labels?

Then they would have to print, inventory,store and carry another label.

Is the "compressed non-flammable gas" label inaccurate?

If IIRC and had to guess the non-flammable sticker would be green with a 2 on it.  In other words it was more than likely a DOT HAZMAT transportation sticker under 29 CFR, when it was transported to his place of work.  All compressed gas cylinders will have them, and will be either flammable or non-flammable, or oxidizer.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WHO ARE POLITICIZING THIS TRAGIC EVENT!  Sarah Jones could have been any one of your daughters.  She was sweet and trusting.  Trusting in her employer to protect her.  The courts will sort this out but right now it looks like the production company was cutting corners to save a few bucks.  

 

It has hit many of my friends in the industry in Georgia pretty hard and they are calling for REFORMS.  There needs to be better oversight into movie production companies pure and simple.  And for those who think America can't protect its workers and compete in the world marketplace, get a clue.  Try living in China for just one week and drinking the polluted water or breathing their polluted air and then tell me how you think we should be like them!

Isn't bringing China into this discussion also politicizing it?

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

Jerry

The label says NON-FLAMMABLE GAS nothing else, not even what kind of gas but we're assuming it's just CO2 along with whatever powder they are using as a fire fighting agent.

Am I the only one who sees the irony or humor or redundancy in a label on a fire extinguisher that says NON-FLAMMABLE on it?

I also get 10 gallon bottles of deionized water for use in several of our machines, shouldn't they then be labeled as NON-FLAMMABLE LIQUID if we follow that thought process? 

 

Jerry