So it seems there is now a Boston & Maine version as well. I may be missing it but I don't see it in the catalog? I changed my order for this one from CV. Nice looking steamer. A manageable size as well.
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Mike, the B&M is shown on pages 12 & 13.
Weird. I have the PDF catalog I am viewing and that loco on 12 & 13 is un-marked. Perhaps my PDF is an earlier edit.
The first time I viewed it online, the one on 12 and 13 was unlettered, but now it is the B&M version. I actually was more interested in the unlettered version the most (would have looked great as an Allentown and Auburn engine), but I settled for the Rutland (which I have to find a caboose for now).
CarGuyZM10 posted:The first time I viewed it online, the one on 12 and 13 was unlettered, but now it is the B&M version. I actually was more interested in the unlettered version the most (would have looked great as an Allentown and Auburn engine), but I settled for the Rutland (which I have to find a caboose for now).
When you find a Rutland caboose please let me know.
superwarp1 posted:CarGuyZM10 posted:The first time I viewed it online, the one on 12 and 13 was unlettered, but now it is the B&M version. I actually was more interested in the unlettered version the most (would have looked great as an Allentown and Auburn engine), but I settled for the Rutland (which I have to find a caboose for now).
When you find a Rutland caboose please let me know.
Or you could ask Brother Love (Malcolm) to make you one.
The mogul Model that lionel is showing is most like the B&M engine. The catalog illustration does not show the arch over the cab windows which was modeled corectly when the TMCC version was initially produced. The Central Vermont history aas authored by Robert Jones shows photos of the Grand Trunk and Central Vermont moguls Lionel is showing in the catalog. They seem to have captured sufficient front end detail to make these engines believable. Not the CV version has the offset headlight and does not have the Canadian style number board which was correct. Both of these locomotives operated just about up to World War 2. The B&M retained their moguls until the end of steam in the mid 50s as they had some light railed branches that were suitable for these engines. A CV caboose would be nice as well.
I have a B&M from the first run and thinking about acquiring a Central Vermont version. I would also like to see Lionel do a 10 wheeler as Central Vermont. Their 10 wheeler model is close to the last 10 wheelers built for the CV.
I couldn't find any pics of Rutlands Mogals but I did find they only roster a hand full and all where retired by WWII. Still, Lionel version will work well pulling all my milk cars.
On another note, I know the pics in the catalog are artist conception, but it does show chains on the tender trucks. A added detail that's been standard with MTH for years and lacking with Lionel. Hope it's on the real models. A skid plate between engine and tender would be nice too.
Well strike what I just said. Found this website with a few pics of Rutland's Mogals and other steamers.
The GTW 713 looks close to accurate. I think I'll go for it.
Oman posted:The GTW 713 looks close to accurate. I think I'll go for it.
I'm pretty sure GTW never owned a mogul. Look closely. The herald says GT, not GTW. I believe GT is a different short line RR not connected with GTW...
Joe
According to this site it is GTW. I recognize the slanted logo as CNR which was the parent of GTW.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=124696
It looks like 713 is a survivor.
Oman posted:According to this site it is GTW. I recognize the slanted logo as CNR which was the parent of GTW.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=124696
It looks like 713 is a survivor. operated..
I believe GT was a eastern RR not connected with the GTW.. It was eventually bought by CN as was the GTW. Could be wrong but I don't believe that engine had that slanted logo when it operated or was ever on the original GTW roster...
Joe
Mike W,
I have a TMCC Mogul that was upgraded to 4 chuff per rev and improved smoke by Alex M. What a great little engine, Railsounds 5.0, smoke and it runs good to. I am sure the Legacy Moguls will be even better. Plus a good price if you do early buy.
JohnB
so here are two photos of Moguls , 397 Central Vermont and 861 Grand Trunk. The 861 photo is at St Albans Vt. I think 397 is also at St Albans. Thes are 1930s photos.
The Grand Trunk and Central Vermont were railroads operating in the US that were owned by Canadian National . 397 was originally a Grand Trunk engine. It was transferred to CV ownership during its career. Note how the headlight position is higher and the Canadian National numberboard design has been replaced on 397. The Lionel model picks this up. The 861 looks a lot like the 713 which is a preserved engine. The Grand Trunk operated in New England into Maine.
The Nimke series of books may have photos of the Rutland engine.
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Yes, the original Grand Trunk Railway (no Western) was part of the Canadian National system and a separate entity from the GTW (the GTW was actually a subsidiary of the the GTR). If you look at the first picture on the RRpicturearchives site, the caption mentions the Grand Trunk Railway.
The GTR was essentially the Canadian portion (and northern New England) of a line from Portland, Maine to Chicago. The GTW was the midwest connection from Detroit to Chicago.
So I assume from info provided it would be safe to say engine #713 was not in the original GTW livery? no?
Joe
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I don't think so, although I don't know definitively. But I think the GTW logo typically included the "Western".
Thanks to everyone that showed me the distinction between GT and GTW at that time. So, this offering appears to be a very good replication of GT 713 and as such I still want it. Now it makes sense, as I had been looking at pictures of CNR moguls and they did not look like this.
CarGuyZM10 posted:The first time I viewed it online, the one on 12 and 13 was unlettered, but now it is the B&M version. I actually was more interested in the unlettered version the most (would have looked great as an Allentown and Auburn engine), but I settled for the Rutland (which I have to find a caboose for now).
If everyone had read the catalog, you'd of seen that it was always listed as a B&M locomotive. They just forgot to put the markings on the photo.
Yes the B&M had no markings but I thought the only markings were the B&M Under the arm rest on the sides of the cab?
You can also check Steamtown (Scranton, PA) for pictures. They have the Lackawanna Mogul that is in the catalog.
I am torn on the DL&W mogul locomotive, based off the locomotive at steamtown. The differences in valve gear and other details are significant. Does anyone have any ideas or experience on how to change the valve gear on a lionel mogul and add an eccentric rod?
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I plan to get the 565 and maybe have it relettered to Black River & Western. I don't think it operated on BR&W very long but it's a good alternative to finding #60. In fact it may have operated in Chester NJ before the BR&W moved to Ringoes. I've even seen pictures of it on the old Morris County Central RR. I've always wondered about its history in the years leading up to the move to Steamtown.
Any news on these engines? I don't see them on the shipping schedule anymore.
I never saw them on the shipping schedule.
Yes, they were on the shipping schedule, but disappeared from the shipping schedule shortly after the up roar over the 0-8-0 performance. Hmmmm?
the Lionel folks at Amherst this past weekend indicated that the tooling was about finished. He thought that the production would be soon and that delivery might be in late spring. Think this is what was originally planned. For B&M fans , the Lionel folks indicated that the Cab would have the arched windows. Now that is good news.
I preordered my B&M Mogul! Thanks, Lionel! Now I will have a pair of Moguls operating on my B&M branch line-themed layout.
YUZ GUYZ, enjoy the Legacy Mogul. I have a TMCC Canadian National 6-38017, and a Bethlehem Conventional both run great. Sticking with these. got both of them for the price you'll pay for one Legacy.
Any news on the New Legacy Moguls? I never ordered so hoping I can buy a B&M at a dealer.
Does anyone know what sounds this loco will have? New sounds? Old Sounds?
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Does anyone know what sounds this loco will have? New sounds? Old Sounds?
I've been told by a few Lionel reps that it will be a legacy engine( not have the AF boards the last 0-8-0 received) and more than likely have newer sounds.
superwarp1 posted:@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Does anyone know what sounds this loco will have? New sounds? Old Sounds?
I've been told by a few Lionel reps that it will be a legacy engine( not have the AF boards the last 0-8-0 received) and more than likely have newer sounds.
Well of course its Legacy! If only we could hear its sounds!
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:superwarp1 posted:@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Does anyone know what sounds this loco will have? New sounds? Old Sounds?
I've been told by a few Lionel reps that it will be a legacy engine( not have the AF boards the last 0-8-0 received) and more than likely have newer sounds.
Well of course its Legacy! If only we could hear its sounds!
That switcher I mentioned as supposed to be legacy and wasn't. Lionel got a lot of heat for that. I hope they don't pull something like that again. As for the mogul being a small engine I had concerns the legacy boards would not fit. Time will tell
I was one of those that received the quasi Legacy 0-8-0. I sent mine back. I doubt that Lionel will make that mistake again, but if they do, I'll send this one back also. I've already taken my own pledge to not pre-order any locomotives from Lionel again. I pre-ordered the Mogul before receiving the unacceptable 0-8-0.
After the 0-8-0, I am watching Mogul threads closely. I've had my eye on these since catalogued but very much want to see/read comments on them prior to buying.
Only a few weeks away?
Charles Ro Supply "EXPECTED AVAILABILITY BY 08/10/2017"
I just received the TMCC Mogul for a possible Super-Chuffer upgrade. NO WAY! You couldn't fit a toothpick in that shell with what's in there now! I can see where there might be a question that the full RCMC might not fit, there is not a lot of room in that boiler!
On the Lionel site, they do claim it has Odyssey II, which would be the encoder on the motor and the RCMC and not the back-EMF speed control.
Odyssey® II Speed Control with On/Off switch
The Lionel Legacy BEMC board is the back-EMF board that is used in some Flyer products, so they may sneak it into this one as well, it is smaller than the RCMC.
BEMC
RCMC
