New SP Gondola Kit Released

bob3 posted:

Rule292,  thanks for the essential freight car list. It is interesting how many have been done in o scale.

Quite welcome!  it seems that Dominion Fowler box cars, Southern SU boxcars, Milwaukee single sheathed boxcars and X3 tankers are the most numerous in overall build numbers yet never offered in O scale.   Ted Schnepf did mention that the Milwaukee single sheathed car is going to be offered as a resin kit eventually. 

Most of the big names have been hit, though not all of them are very well detailed.  The popular post-WWII 40' box car comes to mind.  Too bad the existing Atlas Trainman tooling can't be corrected to fix the huge holes and lugs that mount the ladders, running boards and brake gear.  

One has to wonder if basic 40' box car kits were made available with separate sides/ends that allowed a choice of configuration how well would they sell?

I hate to say it but the (lack of) success of the old Intermountain 40' box car kits is a good indicator. 

Ultra scale did a single sheathed boxcar of some Canadian flavor, I don't know enough about them to know if it is the "dominion".

I mentioned the southern su to mullet river many years ago, Glenn seemed concerned about potential sales. 

I guess the x3 will remain a dream.

I have talked with Ted about the single sheathed milw car, he promises it is in the works.

Bob are you thinking about the Sylvan Scale Models 1929 CN single sheathed box car?  That's a pretty neat kit though I've been hung up (since 2007!!) on accurately fabricating the unusual power hand brake linkage under the car. 

Truss rod cars are very delicate and one thing I'd rather buy in brass.. .but then again that's just me.  I'd pay a premium for a Southern SU in brass.  George Kohs keeps talking a good game about brass cars with wood sides.  I'd even pay the Kohs tax on an SU.

Perhaps we can get Gene to champion our cause to GPM for some X3 tanker kits.

Ultra scale did a single sheathed boxcar for one of the Canadian roads, I have at least one kit, and I picked up a poorly assembled model at a show several years ago (my stuff is in storage so I can't easily identify the kit contents).

If protocraft or yoder or anyone did a brass southern su, I'd be in for a couple.

Maybe Gene will weigh in on his thoughts about an X3.

Rule292 posted:

They were serious as a heart attack when they said that PRR is a slow seller and is dead/dying. 

Simon Winter posted:

Rule292 posted:

They were serious as a heart attack when they said that PRR is a slow seller and is dead/dying. 

Who were , THEY, how many of them, and what part of the country were they from? And how does a group that is but a small fraction of "O" scale get to speak for everyone?

 

Simon

They were probably about 30-40 people several of whom are marketers of P48 stuff who were the ones saying the market for PRR P48 stuff had dissappeared (not a large group in the first place).  And even though I am officially from Virginia the only thing I have less interest in than east coast stuff is southern east coast stuff and the older it is the even lesser interest I have.

Simon Winter posted:

Rule292 posted:

They were serious as a heart attack when they said that PRR is a slow seller and is dead/dying. 

Who were , THEY, how many of them, and what part of the country were they from? And how does a group that is but a small fraction of "O" scale get to speak for everyone?

 

Simon

It was actually a pretty "professional" exchange that started out with a discussion  about a possible PRR X31 project in brass.     I can wholeheartedly say that the ones commenting were quite experienced in importing and producing O scale products and their comments were unbiased.  And their sentiments were also echoed by at least two friends who have imported PRR projects; one of these is a genuine SPF and IMHO an expert in PRR equipment.

With that said they made a valid point.  PRR is no longer one of the top sellers.   AND this does not at all preclude the need for just about everyone that models the pre-PC era to have a decent representation PRR equipment on their pike.   So onward I trudge in my march to get accurate X25/X29 box cars and F30 flat cars.

rdunniii posted:

.......marketers of P48 stuff who were the ones saying the market for PRR P48 stuff had dissappeared.....

Sounds like an excellent example of what we used to describe as being a self-fulfilled prophecy,

Rule292 posted:

Truss rod cars are very delicate and one thing I'd rather buy in brass.. .but then again that's just me. 

Easier to just build them,

mwb posted:

Rule292 posted:

Truss rod cars are very delicate and one thing I'd rather buy in brass.. .but then again that's just me. 

Easier to just build them,

As a kid my absolute favorite kits were wood Silver Streak car kits and Campbell wood building kits., even if they were western prototype. Your era lends to scratchbuilding everything. 

I have the Mullet River CB&Q truss rod XM-23 kit.  Beautiful but the inverse Murphy ends lack rivet detail as well as the crimp lap seam and I never sent the ends to the gentleman who so graciously volunteered to punch rivets in them.   But first I need to do the zillion other things to get ready to actually have a layout on which to run my cars.

Rule292 posted:

As a kid my absolute favorite kits were wood Silver Streak car kits and Campbell wood building kits., even if they were western prototype. Your era lends to scratchbuilding everything. 

 

That car I posted started out as a Picard Novelty kit.......6 pieces of plain wood.  Everything else was added by me.  I almost bought 12 more of these in Chicago, but sanity prevailed.

Rob,

Ultra Scale did the Canadian Pacific 38' Dominion Box Car. It is there #655. It had a copy of the drawings from MainLine Modeler.

I don't remember who is credited for doing the masters for this release.

George Losse

Thanks George.   I used to like to look at the Chooch web site at the past releases of his recent car kits.   I prolly should send a request to Mike pleading to list the old web pages so we can look at them.

George

Bill Yancey did the patterns for both of the Dominion cars for Chooch.  There was a boxcar and stock car made by Chooch Ultrascale II.  

I have attached pictures of both cars that were build by Stan Schwedler of Coronado Scale Models. 

Gene

rdunniii posted:

Simon Winter posted:

Rule292 posted:

They were serious as a heart attack when they said that PRR is a slow seller and is dead/dying. 

Who were , THEY, how many of them, and what part of the country were they from? And how does a group that is but a small fraction of "O" scale get to speak for everyone?

 

Simon

They were probably about 30-40 people several of whom are marketers of P48 stuff who were the ones saying the market for PRR P48 stuff had dissappeared (not a large group in the first place).  And even though I am officially from Virginia the only thing I have less interest in than east coast stuff is southern east coast stuff and the older it is the even lesser interest I have.

Sounds a lot more realistic with the PRR P48 clarification.  I am guessing that modern equipment  might slowly be displacing steam/diesel transition.

Simon