If they do a New Haven unit, I hope they paint it like the E33 Rectifiers.
Too bad the PC unit won't be a GE. I like the NH brick scheme for one of these
guys.
Originally Posted by Christopher2035:
What I've been told is that most if not all CNJ trackage is operated under Conrail Shared Assets, so NS doesn't own any CNJ track. Which would leave me to believe that the NH unit has to be a mistake.
Not all of the CNJ track is Conrail; the hump yard in Allentown is former CNJ. Also, what's with the P&WV unit. Although that railroad was once owned by the Norfolk and Western, it is now under control of the W&LE.
Originally Posted by CentralFan1976:
This is good news, and I only see 2 things wrong with it...
1. The closest NS main is on the Southern Tier, and its at least a 2 hour drive for me.
2. Lionel is going to make one, and now I have to spend the money to buy my first "modern" unit. Currently, my roster's chronologically "newest" unit is a GP-20.
That is unless they do a Cigar Band instead of the black lightning stripes... I bet they do the orange / white "mating worms" for the PC. Luckily, they have already made an SD-90!
Not sure where you are but NS is about to begin running at least two trains daily over the eastern Tier between Buffalo and Croxton. Plus you have the traffic coming over the Lehigh line from Allentown (which is one of the busiest lines on the NS). I'd expect to see Heritage units on the Lehigh first. Units on the Tier east of Binghamton might take a little longer.
Poppyl
Cool. I love the NKP,Southern, Wabash and NYC. Those are all gonna be keepers, gentleman get your cameras ready.
Currently, I think, NS operates over very little former CNJ trackage...
...the NS Lehigh Line from Delaware River/PA to Greens Bridge/east of Phillipsburg, NJ...a few miles
...former CNJ trackage Bethlehem, PA thru Allentown Yard then North (west) to Lehighton, PA then Laurel Run. PA thru White Haven to Wilkes Barre, PA.
The former CNJ trackage in PA was abandoned by CNJ in 1972 and then operated by LV until Conrail in 1976, then split to NS after CR breakup.
CNJ branches in NJ and most terminal trackage is now operated by CSA/Conrail Shared Assets for both NS and CSX.
However, I would say NS could do a CNJ Heritage diesel...I don't think anyone would complain!
Thanks.
Walter M. Matuch
Attachments
Images (1)
Originally Posted by L & N:
I received this earlier today.
Steve
From whom? I don't think the EMD/GE line-up is correct.
Rich,
This came in an email forwarded from a friend. The original author stated that NS issued the poster (picture), FWIW. I agree the mix is not correct, maybe NS was going to all of the heritage schemes on ES44AC's and changed plans.
Steve
Good Day Gentlemen,
My thinking, the posted color schemes are not an official document from Norfolk Southern Corp. Why..............
- No official NS logo on the document.
- All the engines are ES44AC which is contrary to what Trains.com has posted.
- Why would NS publish an advanced copy of the heritage color schemes? This would steal the NS marketing thunder and hype.
- Those drawings do not resemble or look anything like my proposed NS heritage drawings that I sent NS 2 years ago.
Regards,
Swafford
Originally Posted by Swafford:
Good Day Gentlemen,
My thinking, the posted color schemes are not an official document from Norfolk Southern Corp. Why..............
- No official NS logo on the document.
- All the engines are ES44AC which is contrary to what Trains.com has posted.
- Why would NS publish an advanced copy of the heritage color schemes? This would steal the NS marketing thunder and hype.
- Those drawings do not resemble or look anything like my proposed NS heritage drawings that I sent NS 2 years ago.
Regards,
Swafford
I agree with Swafford. I don't believe those are official and that may have been mentioned on other forums. Also, Swafford, with all due respect, just because you sent NS a few drawings of "Heritage Units" 2 years ago, doesn't mean you got them to start this program and doesn't mean they are using the drawings you sent them. 
I never said it was official. Just like any of the other designs posted on this thread.
Steve
Originally Posted by SJC:
Originally Posted by Swafford:
Good Day Gentlemen,
My thinking, the posted color schemes are not an official document from Norfolk Southern Corp. Why..............
- No official NS logo on the document.
- All the engines are ES44AC which is contrary to what Trains.com has posted.
- Why would NS publish an advanced copy of the heritage color schemes? This would steal the NS marketing thunder and hype.
- Those drawings do not resemble or look anything like my proposed NS heritage drawings that I sent NS 2 years ago.
Regards,
Swafford
I agree with Swafford. I don't believe those are official and that may have been mentioned on other forums. Also, Swafford, with all due respect, just because you sent NS a few drawings of "Heritage Units" 2 years ago, doesn't mean you got them to start this program and doesn't mean they are using the drawings you sent them.
Good Day,
I agree with you. I did not get them started on the heritage program. For the record though, I sent more than a few drawings via e-mail communications and hard copies delivered to NS. Back in the summer and fall of 2010, there was a NS director that liked my color schemes and was interested in the theme that I presented. My theme was color schemes from the past presented on 21st Century diesel locomotives. I will be more than happy to provide the name of the NS contact after the heritage engines have been presented to the public. I’m just happy that Norfolk Southern Corp is going to present the Heritage line-up!
Regards,
Swafford
Originally Posted by L & N:
I never said it was official. Just like any of the other designs posted on this thread.
Steve
Ah, but isn't rampant speculation all part of the fun???
And once the units start appearing, folks can complain about how NS got it "wrong."
Rusty
And once the units start appearing, folks can complain about how NS got it "wrong."
You got that right!
Let's just sit back and wait until the units start appearing. NS doesn't have to do this at all, and I am sure what they release will be faithful to the original schemes.
That really looks good to me on that engine, I like it.
It's still a long shot but don't give up hope on CNJ and D,L&W liveries. If the initial roll out goes well, NS may consider additional heritage units in a future buy. BTW, the heritage units will display NS roadnumbers.
Poppyl
An EF4 orange paint on a GE would really bring good things to life. The EF4's were GE's!
I first heard this on the P&WV Hi-line website. This should be good news for the folks that would like to see a "What if", for a lot of the eastern Fallen Flags.
I agree, after seeing so many of Swaffords beautiful creations I to have wondered how the old schemes would have looked on todays power, or how they may have evolved....Now we will get to see some. I can't wait personally.
Yes it does....my o' my that is an eye catcher. Great job..
Swafford, the CofG unit looks great. Of course I am biased though 
CofG
"The Right Way"
Swafford, I got to looking at the CofG unit and think that the upper band of blue should not be there, and the black band be moved up to where the top orange stripe is where the top of the blue band is now and the roof should be gray. This would be the freight scheme orientation ( RS3, F3, GP7, etc. ) of the CofG and think it would better suit the body style of the ES44. What do think of that idea?
CofG
"The Right Way"
Ok that NKP unti is a must have, what a beauty. More please.....
Do the major O Gauge players have tooling ready to go? How soon do you think we will see models of these designs?
Tom
Looking ahead a bit, if these retros are modeled full-size, or even "selectively compressed," a lot of smaller pikes won't be able to handle them. Could the Beep/Beef folks make credible versions of these units?
Originally Posted by Central of Georgia:
Swafford, I got to looking at the CofG unit and think that the upper band of blue should not be there, and the black band be moved up to where the top orange stripe is where the top of the blue band is now and the roof should be gray. This would be the freight scheme orientation ( RS3, F3, GP7, etc. ) of the CofG and think it would better suit the body style of the ES44. What do think of that idea?
CofG
"The Right Way"
I was trying to be inventive and at the same time paint the ES44AC similar to the CofG F3's.
I'll work on your suggestion and post it later.
Regards,
Frank
Attachments
Images (1)
I like it. But I personally prefer the first version you created, with this one it seems as if something is missing above the black band.
Swafford, the second CofG looks wonderful. CWEX, it does look different than the F & E units but that's the way the Central done it for some reason. All freight units other than the F got this version.
CofG
"The Right Way
Ahhhh well if that was correct then correct it shall be Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.Originally Posted by Central of Georgia:
Swafford, the second CofG looks wonderful. CWEX, it does look different than the F & E units but that's the way the Central done it for some reason. All freight units other than the F got this version.
CofG
"The Right Way
Swafford those are amazing...I'll take 3 please...
Swafford and CWEX, here's the scheme I was talking about. This pic was taken here in Cedartown. Not sure what year.
CofG
"The Right Way.
Attachments
Images (1)
Swaffor, those N&W units are amazing. You do great work there.
CofG
"The Right Way"
Cofg O.k.... now I am with you I see what you were getting at....I will stand corrected it doesn't look bad seeing it on a real 3D loco.... Thanks for posting that.
