NYC Passenger F units

Found something for ya!

http://railroad.net/forums/vie...m+generators#p979934

Interesting, huh!

Ed Mullan

Ed,

I can't tell from the pictures, but were they painted in the passenger colors?

I'm ordering some detail parts to convert some Williams F3s, into more protoypical units, and I like these pictures. They are going to be closer to late-model F3s, as opposed to these early F3s. These include:

• Stainless side grills
• grab irons
• roof fans
• wipers
• marker lights
• coupler cover
  

Thanks,
Mario

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can't tell from the pictures, but were they painted in the passenger colors?

Sorry, I don't know but I think the colors were discussed on their forum.

Ed

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Originally posted by Ed Mullan:

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can't tell from the pictures, but were they painted in the passenger colors?

Sorry, I don't know but I think the colors were discussed on their forum.

Ed

Looks like two-tone gray to me, not black and gray.

Rusty

The Twentieth Century used E-units almost exclusively (particularly in the east, as the E-units rotated in and out of Harmon NY every four days) but the NYC had many other passenger trains in the transition era to pull. They had quite a few passenger F units, along with Alco PA's and FM C-liners and "Erie Builts". They also had Alco RS-3s and EMD high-nose GPs that were equipped with steam boilers for passenger service.

Many NYC F-units were re-geared for freight service as passenger service dwindled in the later fifties/early sixties.

"Diesel Locomotives of the New York Central System" by Edson/Vail/Smith is out of print, but turns up online and at flea markets and has a lot of info. Of course, the NYCS Historical Society has a lot of info too.

http://www.nycshs.org/

p.s. the F's in the original post appear to be wearing the [assenger two-tone gray of the late forties to fifties, not the black freight scheme. Look at the second car back, which is in the same paint scheme as the engines.

They had just four F3A's, and two F3B's, and they where purchased for the "New England States" When the E8's came out, these engines were indeed re-geared for freight service, NYC felt the E8's could do the job the E7's could not quite handle.

Ed Mullan

And I look at all the Lionel, and MTH, and Williams, and all the other F Unit manufacturers that have made two-tone gray passenger F3s... and the Central only had 4!

Blows the mind!

Does anyone know why Lionel made the two-tone passenger painted F units, instead of the black Lightning Stripe?

Thanks,
Mario

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Originally posted by CentralFan1976:
And I look at all the Lionel, and MTH, and Williams, and all the other F Unit manufacturers that have made two-tone gray passenger F3s... and the Central only had 4!

Blows the mind!

Does anyone know why Lionel made the two-tone passenger painted F units, instead of the black Lightning Stripe?

Thanks,
Mario

Because both the Santa Fe and the New York Central endorsed Lionel's production of the then brand-new EMD F-3 in those colors.

Ed Bommer

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Originally posted by Ed Bommer:

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Originally posted by CentralFan1976:
And I look at all the Lionel, and MTH, and Williams, and all the other F Unit manufacturers that have made two-tone gray passenger F3s... and the Central only had 4!

Blows the mind!

Does anyone know why Lionel made the two-tone passenger painted F units, instead of the black Lightning Stripe?

Thanks,
Mario

Because both the Santa Fe and the New York Central endorsed Lionel's production of the then brand-new EMD F-3 in those colors.

Ed Bommer

...and Lionel wanted to use their new F-3s to pull trains of their new "Budd" type stainless steel passenger cars.

It is odd in these days of model train manufacturers having to pay royalties to railroads to use their paint schemes, that back then NYC and ATSF actually paid Lionel for the privilege of seeing their railroads re-created in miniature.