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I have an MTH 10-3024-1 Ives Electric Loco with Protosound 2 and I am having some issues getting it to operate under conventional (non-DCS) control.  The loco operates fine using DCS, I can add it and all the features work as expected.  However, when I remove the TIU from the layout and try to run the loco conventionally, it lights up and makes the 'startup sounds' but it will never move from neutral.  When I cycle the power to try and move it to forward or reverse the sounds and lights turn off.  I performed a reset using DCS and did the whistle/bell reset under conventional control.  I also replaced the battery with a new BCR and allowed it to charge for a few minutes.  When I had it open to install the BCR it did not look like anything was missing, damaged, or burnt on the boards but I did not do a super close inspection (Not sure I would know where to look anyway).  Any other tips or suggestions on what the issue could be? 

Thanks and Happy New Year,

Tom

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The battery subsystem is a system. It needs both charging, but also the discharging circuit to work to use the battery or super cap.

Bottom line- yours is not passing "the test".

"When I cycle the power to try and move it to forward or reverse the sounds and lights turn off."

The many things it could be:

Updates- system identified as likely being PS2 3V https://mthtrains.com/10-3024-1

The wiring harness and connector failed from leaking original battery. I've seen where the corrosion just entirely destroys the wire from the inside where it wicks up the strands. This tends to happen less on PS2 3V but any wiring harness failure could prevent connection between the battery and the board.

The charging circuit is not working- check voltage on the battery connector while applying power to engine- it should be a rising voltage - especially true on a super capacitor (BCR) if not charging- can never provide power later. Again, I measure the baseline voltage without track power applied, and then ideally measured at the board battery circuit terminals- measure in place while track power is applied and watch the voltage rise. If there is no rise or the measured voltage is low (less than 2.4V nominal on PS3)- it's probably not charging.

The discharge circuit is damaged. This may not show physical signs of damage. It just means, you know you have voltage and charging at the battery connector as the source- now the test is- if the board stack can use that energy (voltage) of the battery to power sounds. This is the one test that really matters. If we know we start with a charged battery or capacitor, and that voltage is at the board terminals through the wiring harness, and the harness is low resistance (so a good known harness), and yet when we power down the track and the board cannot continue playing sounds-this points at a board failure.

PS2 3V boards were more repairable because the upper board of the 2 board stack- the "power board" can be repaired in some cases or replaced.

This previous topic talks about some of those details of components on the board https://ogrforum.com/topic/154307983685100861

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