Does anyone have a list or know where I can find a listing of railroads that have operated trains to/from the two major NYC stations (Grand Central and Penn Station?)
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Grand Central hosted New York Central and New Haven. Penn Station hosted PRR, New Haven and Lehigh Valley.
Curt
Lehigh Valley ran passenger trains into Pennsylvania station 1918-1960. Amtrak is going to run a test train over this route in the next few months to explore possibilities of restoring passenger service.
In addition to the PRR/NH/LV, Penn station also hosted trains of the LIRR, the Seaboard, the Atlantic Coast Line, and the Southern. Except for the LIRR, the Pennsy provided the motive power into Penn Station for al the other railroads.
The LV changed out from steam/diesel at Hillside, NJ. The other railroads changed out at Washington, DC. So if you don't model the south, but can't resist Southern Crescent passenger cars, just put a GG-1 on the head end and you're good to go.
juniata guy posted:Grand Central hosted New York Central and New Haven. Penn Station hosted PRR, New Haven and Lehigh Valley.
Curt
Wow, Curt! I did not know that about the Lehigh Valley.....I will have to research and learn some more about it......The info shared on this Forum is incredible!
Peter
From around 1918 to 1926 B&O had an agreement with PRR to use PRR's Hudson River Tunnel to reach New York City at Penn Station. After 1926, PRR terminated the agreement and B&O's New York Bound trains terminated at Jersey Central's Jersey City Terminal with passengers delivered to New York City by B&O motor coach. B&O discontinued all passenger traffic north of Baltimore in 1958.
Tommy posted:Lehigh Valley ran passenger trains into Pennsylvania station 1918-1960.
The LV trains, I believe, were one of the few jobs that used the PRR O1 electrics.
I read that steam and diesel engines were not permitted to enter Manhattan - is that correct?
Where would a train like the 20th Century Limited switch from electric to a steam train?
mikeowen17 posted:I read that steam and diesel engines were not permitted to enter Manhattan - is that correct?
Yes.
Where would a train like the 20th Century Limited switch from electric to a steam train?
Harmon, on the Hudson River.
I recall as a boy that D&H operated a daily service NYC to Montreal in the late fifties?
If I'm wrong, correct me but I swear I actually saw D&H engines arriving at Montreal West CPR station during those years.
To MIKEOWEN17:
When PRR originally built into Penn Station, the changeover point in NJ was a location called Manhattan Transfer, not accessible by road, located just a bit east of the present Harrison PATH station. (This was also a transfer point to/from the Hudson & Manhattan (now PATH) which originally had its own terminal in Newark.) Eventually, the engine change locations were extended further from Manhattan as the line was electrified, ultimately to South Amboy, NJ, Washington DC and Harrisburg, PA.
North of Manhattan, the New Haven RR was electrified to its namesake city.
No trains ran through from unelectrified parts of the Long Island RR, passengers were required to change trains at Jamaica and I believe all steam trains terminated at Long Island City.
"I recall as a boy that D&H operated a daily service NYC to Montreal in the late fifties?"
D&H operated two through passenger trains between New York and Montreal, the daylight Laurentian and the overnight Montreal Limited. (In its heyday, the Limited was all Pullman, and did not make any passenger stops between Troy, NY and Montreal West!) Both trains continued to operate up until the start of Amtrak.
Don't forget the Rutland's Green Mountain Flyer, it ran from Grand Central and Boston South Sta. to Troy, NY via the Central. Rutland than took its train to Montreal. Rutland quit passenger service in the 50's.
As a kid, my parents took us to Wilkes Barre, PA out of Penn Station on the Lehigh Valley. "The Route of the Black Diamond" We would pull out into New Jersey and they put the Steam Engine on.
RE Rutland: The Green Mountain Flyer was the Day train. There was also a night train called the Mount Royal. The New York sections ran via North Bennington and the Boston sections via Bellows Falls. They were combined at Rutland.
RE Lehigh Valley: The actual engine change point out of Newark was at the top of the ramp leading from the NE Corridor to the Lehigh Line, now part of the NJT Raritan Valley Line. When this connection was rebuilt by NJ Transit, they kept the catenary. It may be useful if they ever restore through service.
Terry Danks: Yes, D&H Alco hood unit diesels pulled the Laurentian into CPR's Montreal Windsor Station. A bit of a write-up on the train was featured in David P. Morgan's steam safari trip with photographer Phil Hastings in November 1953. Most of the Canadian Pacific's trains were steam powered at that time, including #21, the "Chicago Express", powered by one of CPR's two handsome 4-8-4's.
