Something Not Right: Lionel PWC Congressional?

I have this set.  The horn is close to the real GG1 horn.  It is unique Pennsy GG1.  The G is Pulmore powered.  It is capabale of very slow starts and slow running.  There is no cruise so speed consistency is up to the operator.

It doesn't compare to a DC can motored G.

I heard the horn on the Lionel Scale TMCC GG-1 and it sounded great.

Here is the scale GG-1 video, compare its horn to the first video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK88-c84NHQ

I agree---I know it mimics a real GG-1 but---It does sound pretty bad

In my opinion the PWC 2360 solid stripe GG-1 sounds much better---it came out a few years after the PWC 2340---maybe a later version sound board ???

I know 2360 was usually pulling frt. sets

However the 2360 was cataloged with the gold stripe presidetial cars in the early 60's

Good Luck

Joe S  

All I can say for sure is he has the wrong pantograph up.

I have the JLC GG-1 and nine of the MTH Premier 18" Congressional cars, one with a retrofit Station Sounds kit.  I much prefer can motors and cruise control.  That one did really leap off the line, I can't believe that's as good as it can do.

My only complaint about my Williams Congessional cars is that it seems the silver is rubbing off or tarnishing.

Chipset, MTH also made this set in the DAP series plus a 2 car add-on set. I have the set and I absolutely love it! I remember that OGR covered this set and the Lionel reissue in the Collectors Gallery. The MTH not only beat the Lionel operationally but the writer also found it to be more true and "closer to the original" then Lionels own reissue. 

Bill

I need to find that issue, I love those OGR reviews!

I think  it was OGR Dec 2012.

My recollection is never having seen a dome car on the NYC-WashDC route.  So the horn isn't the only issue.

GG1's did have a rather odd horn.

I'll have to try to find it. All my back issues are packed away right now. It was actually a Collectors Gallery article that had a mini review for lack of a better way of putting it of the 2 sets. If you find what issue it is please let us know. I forgot to post this earlier but with the green paint, gold striping, and red keystone GG-1's look so good on a Christmas layout. Especially with Christmas cars. The tuscan ones look very good to.

Bill

Early RR air horns had a rather MOO-ing sound, so that's not wrong, though that first

one did seem a little more bovine than most. But not "wrong" - I have, however, never

heard a GG1 in person.

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Dome passenger cars in the US were almost entirely a Western RR phenomenon - which

is kind of silly, as there are multitudes of scenic vistas in the East/South. Clearances

in some of the older urban areas could be an issue, however. 

Baltimore tunnels too low for domes or Scenicruisers.  NYC tunnels may be also.  

What is the "DAP" series?

The Dealer Appreciation Program.

Bill

Also I believe the PRR wasn't in favor of running domes under the catenary.

Scotie

The only place you get a dome on a "Pennsy" train would be Chicago to Miami.  GG1 horns are a single note, deep bass affair...can't speak for the PWC Gee motor, but MTH has this down quite well.

The Williams Congressional cars are too short. The Lionel scale cars would be a better fit for your Scale GG1. There were a couple of issues with the Lionel cars, incorrect windows, distance between cars and the height of the car body in relationship to the trucks.

The golden gate Congressional cars might be a better fit overall but they are 20 inches long and rather expensive.

PRR never had either a vista dome car or a baggage car for the Congressional since it was basically a day tripper. The did have a diner/club car.

When I converted my Williams Scale GG1 to Lionel Railsounds 5.0 and ERR cruise I replaced the stock speaker with a much higher quality one and it made a major difference in the sound quality.

I also like the GG1 and felt that it's prototypical single tone horn was the Achilles of a such a great loco design.  As for the Lionel horn versions, I think that they are very close when compared to the prototype in the following GG1 film from 38 to 50 second runtime.  What Lionel's version seems to add is additional reverb.

http://youtu.be/tC6W0XEqOLw

Are there any GG1's that have been restored to operation capability or are they all just static displays?