Would anyone sign up for a Sunset Southern Ms4? Scott says Southern doesn't sell well so that is why it has not been done to date.
I'm not a steam fan but in the late '60s early '70s I went on a couple of fan trips only to end up totally covered in coal soot watching 4501 bust a gut trying to go >45mph pulling open air cars.
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Didn't Lionel make this engine, green and all? I think maybe early Williams with
their brass USRA Mikado did a green one lettered for the 4501 also?
rdunniii, 4501 is a Southern class Ms Light Mikado. Lionel, K-Line, and Mth has made them.
Now the Southern MS-4 class was a Heavy Mikado. There are a few of us that would like one. But the operative word is "few." Someone here once before tried to get this ball rolling in fact with Scott but not enough interest.
Ron
Another "issue" with offering a model of the famous 4501 would be, which version would be produced? The original Southern Rwy version, or the version that was sold to and operated on the Kentucky & Tennessee RR and then purchased by a private individual for excursion service on the Southern, or the version later rebuilt by the Southern Rwy with a larger tender, or finally the version of 4501 TODAY with a stoker and Worthington style feedwater system?
Another "issue" with offering a model of the famous 4501 would be, which version would be produced? The original Southern Rwy version, or the version that was sold to and operated on the Kentucky & Tennessee RR and then purchased by a private individual for excursion service on the Southern, or the version later rebuilt by the Southern Rwy with a larger tender, or finally the version of 4501 TODAY with a stoker and Worthington style feedwater system?
And welded tender with roller-bearing trucks...
Rusty
rdunniii, 4501 is a Southern class Ms Light Mikado. Lionel, K-Line, and Mth has made them.
Now the Southern MS-4 class was a Heavy Mikado. There are a few of us that would like one. But the operative word is "few." Someone here once before tried to get this ball rolling in fact with Scott but not enough interest.
Ron
4501 was built before WWI, so it predated the USRA designs that Lionel, KLine and MTH used for their versions. Lionel's version from 1992 would be the closest to the actual 4501 that I know.
I believe the Southern's MS-4 was based on a USRA Heavy Mikado design, which was used on other roads. It might be better for a company like 3rd Rail to develop a standard USRA design that could be modified for a particular road. The main problem with steam is the domes, valve gear and dynamos were modified by the different railroads. Not sure if it would be profitable to make for individual roads unless 25-30 would be an acceptable BTO number.
I would be happy as currently is or was in the '60/'70s; maybe both. But I would not be happy with something generic with a pretty paint job.
I would be happy as currently is or was in the '60/'70s; maybe both. But I would not be happy with something generic with a pretty paint job.
OK, but 4501 is still pretty much a light mike. Personally, I would rather have a model of a heavy mike, like the C&O K3/K3a or the NYC H10a/H10b. But then, when Scott announced THOSE, he couldn't get enough reservations to produce either! Go figure.
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