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It sounds like an old Yakov Smirnov comedy routine, “In Russia, train photographs you,” but I was chasing a train on the Puget Sound & Pacific last night with another other local railfan. It turned out to be a DoD train heading to the sub base at Bangor. I know they were empties due to the lack of placards and how high the cars were riding on the trucks, but it didn’t stop whoever this was from poking his cell photo out from underneath a sheet of plastic (which was in every window of their hack) and getting a photo of me, getting a photo of them. It was poor light, didn’t get any really decent shots at all, but it was neat to see it as I’d never seen one of these trains before.

 

 

I'm a former Army officer and have seen all kinds of stuff I can't talk about, so I know how stuff like this works. I'm not the least bit concerned but a paranoid person would have probably been waiting for a knock at the door later...

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You can't get away with this charade around me!  I know you are not who you say you are anymore, but that that black helicopters with their muffled blades already came and went, taking p51 with them.  You are a robotic mobile drone that looks just like him.  I am sure you have been programmed to even know how to drive a 70-year old Jeep, so don't post pictures of you with it as that will only be a sure give away that I am correct.  

"He's watching me watching you watching him watching me.

 

I'm watching you watching him watching me watching Stares.

 

He's watching me watching you watching him watching me.

 

He's watching me watching you watching the trains go by.

 

He's watching me watching you watching him watching me.

 

He's watching me watching you watching him watching me.

 

He's watching me watching you watching him watching me watching him watching."


-Jethro Tull

 

Rusty

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

You can't get away with this charade around me!  I know you are not who you say you are anymore, but that that black helicopters with their muffled blades already came and went, taking p51 with them.  You are a robotic mobile drone that looks just like him.  I am sure you have been programmed to even know how to drive a 70-year old Jeep, so don't post pictures of you with it as that will only be a sure give away that I am correct.  

I don't know what you're tal-

*click*

I don't know what you're tal-

I don't know what you're tal-

I don't know what you're tal-

I don't know what you're talking about...

 

*click click*

Having been involved with the operations of the Bangor and Kings Bay trains in a past life, you took some risk in railfanning it.  Apart from the "amateur" cell phone shot, you were under high res surveillance from the caboose, from the control car, and from the air. Ground operators were observing you as well.  The Navy does not look favorably on people watching these trains whether loaded or not for obvious reasons.

 

Poppyl 

I was railfanning in Spring, north of Houston one day a few years ago and a military train came through town carrying Humvees, trucks, and other military items. I had a UP employee tell me that I shouldn't be taking pictures of it. He didn't say that I couldn't, just that I shouldn't. He wasn't a cop though so is there some rule about taking pictures of military trains that I don't know about?

Let's just say I know what I'm looking at when I see stuff like this. The train was clearly empty at the time. They had no road convoy because there's only one road next to this line and there were no other vehicles following it within sight at all. The hoggers were from the local RR and were quite laid back, waving when they saw us. The worst thing that could happen is that someone in an office checks on your license plate #. I have nothing to hide.

Many years ago, I once spotted a semi-truck carrying nukes while I was coming back from Hershey Park heading to Aberdeen Proving Ground, while driving my SUV filled with fellow Army LTs. Plenty of places they could have been coming from in that area. It was obvious to me, having seen plenty of them in the past. My passengers didn't believe me, and I started pointing out what about the truck proved my point (no markings of any kind, run flat tires, shielded brake lines, welded siding, ultra thick glass in windows, M-16 rifle rack seen through the thick lower driver door spotter window, etc), as we were passing it at normal highway speeds. The black SUVs with GS plates on each end made it comically clear to anyone who'd ever seen one of these things before.

Anyway, one of the guys in the SUV with me had a radio scanner (beats me why, the guy never left the BOQ without it) and immediately found unsecured coms of someone reading me license plate off. Less than 10 seconds later, someone responded with my name, rank, and where I was currently posted, as well as what other related stuff I'd done before I got a commission in the Army. The first person (I'm sure in the lead SUV) said, "Oh, that makes sense, he probably has seen that before," and that was that. I thought it was funny but my passengers were convinced someone was watching my SUV expand in size through a TV monitor as the missile closed in...

Originally Posted by cooperthebeagle:

Please post more pics of the train.

The light was awful, the sun was really low and trees were all over. I didn't get hardly any decent shots. Oh well, it was cool to see one of these trains finally.

And as for what you posted as well as the above quote, I'm not the least bit worried and concerned in the least. I've been around a LOT of stuff like this over the years, and on the other end of the equation more than once.

Less than 10 seconds later, someone responded with my name, rank, and where I was currently posted, as well as what other related stuff I'd done before I got a commission in the Army. The first person (I'm sure in the lead SUV) said, "Oh, that makes sense, he probably has seen that before," and that was that. I thought it was funny but my passengers were convinced someone was watching my SUV expand in size through a TV monitor as the missile closed in...

 

Seriously???

They transmitted all that information IN-THE-CLEAR?

What hokie operation are they running?

No operation is SECURE without secure comms.

 

Originally Posted by Flash:

 

Seriously???

They transmitted all that information IN-THE-CLEAR?

What hokie operation are they running?

No operation is SECURE without secure comms.

 


Seriously, not even using SINCGARS or any normal tactical freq-hopping coms.

I was far more shocked that we were able to hear it than I was to hear that report going through on little old me. Ned had the scanner and he said it was a freq used by law enforcement (the guy was a com geek type). That made no sense to me as the SUVs had antennas even I'd never seen before.

This was in 1998 but they clearly had good secured comms long before that. To this day I wonder who they were, as DOE and NEST teams have just as good gear as any of the SOCOM units I worked with after that...

Warning placards (albeit small but worded like those at fixed nuclear locations) are in place when the train is carrying nuclear weapons, Special Nuclear Material, or Naval Reactor components.  Rules of engagement are determined by the Atomic Energy Act of 1948 and as amended in 1952.  Certain aspects of the Homeland Security Act also come into play.  All trains carry a full complement of security forces.   BTW, check out the video camera pointed at you from the top of the caboose.

 

I do not know what trailer convoy you encountered, but those involving nuclear items are very non-descript (no rifles showing nor use of government tags, for instance) and use very secure communications.  Perhaps you saw a contractor operated carrier hauling some conventional arms for the military.

 

Anyway, you got the picture and no one harassed you so everything is good.

 

Poppyl 

Not being "in the know", it is difficult to tell whether you guys are joking.  I am very serious - black helicopters are simply hazardous to your health.  We were on upwind in a Stearman yesterday, about to turn crosswind, and there he was - black, and darn near invisible.  Had we turned, I would not be typing this.

 

No joke - black helicopters are invisible to the naked eye, and I think 80% of all Robinson trainers are painted black.

Originally Posted by poppyl:

Warning placards (albeit small but worded like those at fixed nuclear locations) are in place when the train is carrying nuclear weapons, Special Nuclear Material, or Naval Reactor components.  Rules of engagement are determined by the Atomic Energy Act of 1948 and as amended in 1952.  Certain aspects of the Homeland Security Act also come into play.  All trains carry a full complement of security forces.   BTW, check out the video camera pointed at you from the top of the caboose.

 

I do not know what trailer convoy you encountered, but those involving nuclear items are very non-descript (no rifles showing nor use of government tags, for instance) and use very secure communications.  Perhaps you saw a contractor operated carrier hauling some conventional arms for the military.

 

Anyway, you got the picture and no one harassed you so everything is good.

 

Poppyl 


Yeah, I knew this train was empty, seen enough stuff of its type to know. They just don't move nukes from the boomers with those trains, they also move rocket motors and parts for the sub which are too tough, heavy, large or worrisome to move by roads.

As for the trucks, I have seen armored 18-wheelers coming into places with ICBM RVs. They don't carry GS plates, but I've seen escort vehicles that did with them. And yes, I've seen them with rifle racks when the cab door opens. The truck I saw in 1998 might have had something else on board, but I have seen trucks just like that in the past that were loaded with glowing stuff for certain.

On a side note, I caught this on a siding, all by itself so it was clearly not loaded up. never saw another one like it since then. It's an F461 heavy load flat, probably for carrying reactor waste.

Last edited by p51
Originally Posted by p51:
Originally Posted by poppyl:

Warning placards (albeit small but worded like those at fixed nuclear locations) are in place when the train is carrying nuclear weapons, Special Nuclear Material, or Naval Reactor components.  Rules of engagement are determined by the Atomic Energy Act of 1948 and as amended in 1952.  Certain aspects of the Homeland Security Act also come into play.  All trains carry a full complement of security forces.   BTW, check out the video camera pointed at you from the top of the caboose.

 

I do not know what trailer convoy you encountered, but those involving nuclear items are very non-descript (no rifles showing nor use of government tags, for instance) and use very secure communications.  Perhaps you saw a contractor operated carrier hauling some conventional arms for the military.

 

Anyway, you got the picture and no one harassed you so everything is good.

 

Poppyl 


 And yes, I've seen them with rifle racks when the cab door opens.

 

 

On a side note, I caught this on a siding, all by itself so it was clearly not loaded up. never saw another one like it since then. It's an F461 heavy load flat, probably for carrying reactor waste.

The racks on our tractors are concealed.  None of our equipment display government tags or other obvious indicators.  DoD contractor equipment might be more obvious.

 

Fuel assemblies, not spent rods which are shipped in special subassembly casks.

 

Poppyl

Originally Posted by MartyLJ:
Originally Posted by Chris Lord:

I like the reporting mark "DODX 900" on the caboose.  That really keeps it under wraps!

For give me but I just thought you might explain "DODX" for those of us who aren't in the know?

Nothing to forgive!  DODX is the reporting mark for Dept of Defense equipment.

 

reporting mark is an alphabetic code of one to five letters used to identify owners or lessees of rolling stock and other equipment used on certain railroad networks. In North America , the marks are stenciled on each piece of equipment, along with a one- to six-digit number, which together uniquely identify every such rail car or locomotive. This allows the cars to be tracked by the railroad they are traveling over, which shares the information with other railroads and customers. Marks ending in X are assigned to companies or individuals who own railcars, but are not operating railroads.

 

Wikipedia Article on Reporting Marks

Last edited by Chris Lord
Originally Posted by poppyl:

       
Originally Posted by p51:
Originally Posted by poppyl:

Warning placards (albeit small but worded like those at fixed nuclear locations) are in place when the train is carrying nuclear weapons, Special Nuclear Material, or Naval Reactor components.  Rules of engagement are determined by the Atomic Energy Act of 1948 and as amended in 1952.  Certain aspects of the Homeland Security Act also come into play.  All trains carry a full complement of security forces.   BTW, check out the video camera pointed at you from the top of the caboose.

 

I do not know what trailer convoy you encountered, but those involving nuclear items are very non-descript (no rifles showing nor use of government tags, for instance) and use very secure communications.  Perhaps you saw a contractor operated carrier hauling some conventional arms for the military.

 

Anyway, you got the picture and no one harassed you so everything is good.

 

Poppyl 


 And yes, I've seen them with rifle racks when the cab door opens.

 

 

On a side note, I caught this on a siding, all by itself so it was clearly not loaded up. never saw another one like it since then. It's an F461 heavy load flat, probably for carrying reactor waste.

The racks on our tractors are concealed.  None of our equipment display government tags or other obvious indicators.  DoD contractor equipment might be more obvious.

 

Fuel assemblies, not spent rods which are shipped in special subassembly casks.

 

Poppyl


       


Poppyl,

Sounds like you once worked for OST.
I've done some training with those guys. They are an interesting bunch to say the least.

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