Tinplate Art...not to worry, mistakes are easy especially for us "fat fingered" old folks (I am 76). Please keep posting, I for one and I am sure many others really enjoy seeing your trains and reading your input. Us "Tin" folks need to stick together! (LOL)
Regards
Dojn
NWL: THANK YOU for your support. 
Hey Art, do not stop posting please. Always a pleasure to see your posts.
Nothing new for the moment, I am stuck at home and doing some restorations but they are scale models so for today some pictures of Lionel and AF standard gauge on the carpet... some of them have been posted before, sorry for duplicates.
Have a nice weekend and take care, Daniel
Ives #2
Steve
@Tinplate Art posted:This was my second major goof on the forum in two days! Maybe I am either not paying enough attention or I am not able to participate in a lucid manner! On my real trains thread, I mis-identified a well know CSX radio frequency as 137.000 instead of the correct 161.370! Time to hang it up? :-( :-(
Art, jeez I'm sorry to do that to you! I only knew about the station because I remember JKE saying that he had purchased a Marklin Leipzig from overseas and was waiting for delivery. The forum is better when you are participating. Fire away!
Mike: GLAD you corrected my error! NO harm; NO foul! JKE definitely has the GOODS! Beautiful station and great display!
Art I am gonna join the cry ! Keep your fingers active old chum ! 
Sheesh ...if I gave up everytime I got something wrong my stay here would have been about 1.3 seconds long LOLOLOL! 
Well its been one of those weeks at Casa Fatmanos ... I made a conscious effort to slow spending for the next couple of weeks ... I dont want Tuco the WonderParrot reduced to eating baked beans out of a tin with me Of course as soon as I say that along comes half a dozen things !!!
Bearing in mind my previous "oath of Poverty" I only relented a few times !
I posted a pic to my friend in the Netherlands of the HWN carriages ^^^^ up there... and of course he hits me back with " Guess what I got in a box today?" .........
So yesssssss now the passenger carriages have a lovely baggage car coming to meet them ...
And then in the cruel cruel manner which is the norm of a "dealer" looking fondly on his addict, he brought out the big guns ... sighhhhhhh...
A Kibri ( I think) pre-war ( going by the map ) Destination board !!! Been wanting one of these for ages .. so ... sighhhhhhhhhhhh LOL! ok you can come too !
Oh and then ePay had a KLEINBAHN Transformer/controller at a ridiculous price and cheap local postage .. so ... sighhhhhhhhhhh.... "Ka-ching!"
OK Tuco the WonderParrot ... grab that tin opener for me will ya ....
FM: You are certainly a WORTHY recipient of these treasures, and rest assured, they are in proper good hands!
Sharing a can of beans with your feathered companion is perhaps a small sacrifice to obtain those artifacts! Raise a flagon of cheer on a toast of your finds! Prosit!
@Tinplate Art posted:Sharing a can of beans with your feathered companion is perhaps a small sacrifice to obtain those artifacts! Raise a flagon of cheer on a toast of your finds! Prosit!
Awwwww thanks Art 
( I have to type this vewwwy quietly , cos if Tuco finds out about the beans coming , she is gonna bite mah fingers orf! I love her greatly but like any "toddler" she is a complete narcissist psychopath ! )
"Whats that ? You want an almond ? ... Coming Dear !!! "
The Halloween garlands around the table edge went up.
After waiting 11 days, the Halloween RR station finally arrived today (10/31 at 1:35pm). Sorry, not pictured here.
Hi everyone,
There are some really great posts this week, JKE, the Marklin station is just magnificient! Fatman, love your recent haul, and I love tinned beans, especially with a fried egg. Daniel, please stay safe and Carey, you always put together wonderful displays.
As for me, two new items for the week, first is a Marklin Mitropa wagen in teak finish. To be honest don't know much about it, I assume late twentys or early thirties.
The second is a Billerbahn car with three figures, early postwar, love the figures on this especially.
All the best,
Miketg
Loving that Mitropa Mike
Oh .. I left out the ugly stepchild I also got this weekend on sale in France ... it was listed with a "take me home " price of 20Euro , and with the reasonable shipping to my Great Dutch friend , I could not say no ( again) ...
It is the ugly stepchild repaint of I think a pre-war Louis Roussy tin locomotive , when I say ugly I mean it , Heck even the seller listed it as " Fonctionelle ...Jus de Grenier "
Or " Working ... with Attic ( or barn) Juice " 
Here is its pretty side ... like they say , its the inside that counts !
And the sexxy angle to the camera "Instagram worthy" shot
And the plain jane unflattering "before " shot
And in a last ditch effort to win affection ... the pouty "bum" shot
Its a weird one however ... pretty sure the chimney is not right lol ... and also pretty sure its been painted but if so its been taken back to metal many years ago to do it ...
Then again I am no looker either ... and us mutts need to look after each other 
Mind you it would look nice in new clothes even though I am loathe to "restore" originals , will wait and see when its in hand ... but maybe worth a pretty up
Well Tinplate fans, Fatman has introduced you to his latest finds,both fabulous like the HWN carriages and the Kirbi destination board and the less fabulous, Louis Roussy engine. With his opening, I feel I can present my also NOT fabulous Lionel passenger outfit #98 from what appears to be 1925 or1928 or both (It is a mixed bag). I purchased this outfit at a very reasonable price from photo's (Lesson learned, don't do this ). It appeared to be the 1925 outfit 98 with a green 253 loco and two green 610 Pullmans and a green 612 observation. When I got it home and was able to closely examine it I found that the engine has a strap headlight which does date it to NLT 1925 if it is correctly green - OK so far. Now my loco is also missing one strap light and one pantogaph, which came with it but I have yet installed it. However the cars I discovered have Type 5b trucks with rectangular support bars to fasten the light pickup which were not introduced until 1928. So the cars and the engine are of a slightly different vintage...well not too serious. Then comes the big problem, If you have 1928 trucks and are the 1928 set you can't be green because that is the color from 1925...so you are the wrong color! You are supposed to be Mojave not Green. Now the cars and the loco as far as external bodies are concerned are in fine shape ...so I begin to look carefully at the paint. What I discover after removing the roofs and exposing the interiors to intense inspection is that the inside of the car is (or used to be) ...guess what Mojave! So the cars have been re-painted green at some point in their life. Perhaps to match the loco??? So I have a 1925 green loco with strap headlight and 1928 cars that used to be Mojave but have been repainted green. Well at least the make up of the outfit is OK...outfit 98 with the 253 engine and two 610 Pullmans and a 612 observation was offered from 1925 to 1928. Its just my parts were not made at the same time and someone decided to match the color. The cars are lighted as they were supposed to be and one even had a "gift" for me...an ancient Christmas tree light bulb in the socket (you know those old pyramid shaped bulbs with the creases in them...from the strings where if one bulb went out the entire string went dark ). However most of them are missing the "frosted" plastic window inserts. OBTW the paint job was well done, it is obvious that the trim pieces were removed before painting and they are intact and the paint is smooth with no runs or over spray, so whoever did it was skilled. However he did cover over the rubber stamping which should read "The Lionel Lines" in black over the windows. SO....long story!
Here is my 1925 or 1928 Lionel outfit 98 that is the wrong color...WOW you don't get too much worse than that!
Well the collector in me is horrified...but the operator in me is happy. I have an early Lionel passenger set that looks fine going around my layout .... even if it is the wrong color...
Don
ALL wonderful finds! :-)
Daniel: VERY NICE original standard gauge sets!
Steve's clockwork set also deserves notable mention! And Miketg's figures on that speeder trailer are very cool!
n t
Keep 'em comin!
@Arne posted:No, it´s not Kibri. Made by Beckh, Model No 80, made 1939-1941.
Arne
Oh Oh ! Fred has it as possibly attributed to Kibri in his excellent e-book ... I can see a fight coming LOL ( Fight Fight Fight !!! there can be only one ! )
( however the supplementary info provided awards it to @Arne on a knockout )
Thanks Arne !
@Don McErlean Welcome to the Mongrel Club! ...
Club Charter #1 Matchy Matchy not required ! We love them because of their faults not in spite of them
Fred is also a good source and usually very reliable. KEY word here is "possibly"! Honest mistakes can happen! :-)
Art, Fred and Arne have more tinplate recognition talent in their little fingers than I have in my whole body ( and its a bluddy big body too! )
Great knowledge !
BOTH are the BEST! I do so miss Fred's informed posts and most excellent videos!
Some Tail End Tuesday photos. Note the overhang on the GG1 on 57” curves.
Steve
@Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Some Tail End Tuesday photos. Note the overhang on the GG1 on 57” curves.
Steve
Annnnnnnd THIS is why you should never leave a DVD of The Fast and Furious running in your train room unattended ....
@Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:
This is an extra diner. Roof has scratches and it has plastic couplers.Steve
Steve, sorry I haven’t been in touch regarding this car. Will do so later today. I appreciate you checking to see if you have an extra for me!
Also- to everyone- this page shows some fantastic tin! Constributions found on 3 different continents and what an awesome variety of manufacturers. Kudos, ladies and gents!
My latest Tin pieces from a junk box buy.
The flyer 2012 semaphore has been restored and will be listed on the for sale page along with the 2 spare flyer posts.
The Marx crossing warning really wasn't worth the time I put into stripping repainted, and re-lettering it but I thought it was an interesting piece so I'm keeping that one.
Stumbled across another Ron Fox tinplate clockwork locomotive - thanks to a fellow HRCAA member. It’s a 1980’s Ron Fox Models No2 Tank Locomotive. They were fitted with early Hornby No2 clockwork mechs. 
Lovely Fox Jamie ! ( Jamie Foxx?)
looking stunning surrounded by all you hard work too !
Couple of cheap and cheerful ones coming this week
A Brimtoy (uk) Royal Scot Loco and tender ( very lightweight mech hiding under all that lovely litho )
And a couple of not too bad bodies which will spruce up a couple of poor abused Hornbys in the collection
British Rail 60199 body 0-4-0
And a No.1 Special Body ... these locos were a step up and had better mechs and trim than the basic Hornby offerings ... A mid point between regular 0-4-0's and their bigger 4-4-2 0r 4-4-4 brothers
Fatman - Great loco...I note Brimtoy used a "Marx like" trick. Making the loco look like it had 6 drivers and a complex rod system while hiding your standard 4 wheel motor out of sight. Marx did that with many of his locos, especially the 1998 switcher series and the E-7 series. Beautiful lithography and a handsome find.
Jamie Thompson : I had not heard of the Ron Fox tinplate line before or that they were associated with Hornby. I was really interested in your mention of the HRCAA...that sounds like a group interested in operating and collecting Hornby. I am a (very) small but enthusiastic Hornby fan and was wondering if you had any information on that group and if membership might be possible for a "new guy".
Don
Hello Don, joining HRCA is great and the monthly journal is full of informations. I have been a member some years ago.
Here is the link https://www.hrca.net/
There is also a Facebook private group, very knowledgeable members; you just need to have a Facebook account, I have one just for train groups, just let me know and I will send you the link to join.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1294872377222978/
As we speak Hornby here are three clockwork variations in French liveries of the Bristish Hornby tank loco N2; they dates from around 1935. There is a fourth one that I still have to find in green for the Nord railways.
Daniel
@Fatman posted:Lovely Fox Jamie ! ( Jamie Foxx?)
looking stunning surrounded by all you hard work too !
Couple of cheap and cheerful ones coming this week
A Brimtoy (uk) Royal Scot Loco and tender ( very lightweight mech hiding under all that lovely litho )
And a couple of not too bad bodies which will spruce up a couple of poor abused Hornbys in the collection
British Rail 60199 body 0-4-0
And a No.1 Special Body ... these locos were a step up and had better mechs and trim than the basic Hornby offerings ... A mid point between regular 0-4-0's and their bigger 4-4-2 0r 4-4-4 brothers
Well done Mate. I love the Royal Scott locos. The artwork on the litho is First class. Hard to find in such good condition.
Cheers Jamie
@Don McErlean posted:Fatman - Great loco...I note Brimtoy used a "Marx like" trick. Making the loco look like it had 6 drivers and a complex rod system while hiding your standard 4 wheel motor out of sight. Marx did that with many of his locos, especially the 1998 switcher series and the E-7 series. Beautiful lithography and a handsome find.
Jamie Thompson : I had not heard of the Ron Fox tinplate line before or that they were associated with Hornby. I was really interested in your mention of the HRCAA...that sounds like a group interested in operating and collecting Hornby. I am a (very) small but enthusiastic Hornby fan and was wondering if you had any information on that group and if membership might be possible for a "new guy".
Don
Hi Don
The HRCAA is the Australian chapter of the English HRCA. If you like Hornby it may pay to join both as the HRCAA has its own monthly Journal as well. You also get the bonus of articles about Australian brands such as Robilt and Ferris.
Cheers
Jamie
FM: Love that Brimtoy and also Daniel's Hornby loks! Beauties ALL! :-)
Keep 'em comin, folks!
@FRENCHTRAINS Thanks for showing us your French Hornby No2 Locos. They are very special locos indeed. All the best in finding the green NORD loco - I hope you find one soon!
These were just sitting on the living room floor when I came down from upstairs this morning so I figured I should at least take a picture of them and send it along before putting them back where they belong.
Talking of Hornby No2 Locos. Here are two of Ron Fox’s newer creations. The Twins Atlanta and Mariella. They are slightly smaller than a number two locomotives and are powered by rebuilt 501 mechs. “Mariella” was made by Ron as a present to my wife for helping compile and edit several collectors guides on the many railway models he made over the years: 
Kind Regards
Jamie
@Robert S. Butler posted:These were just sitting on the living room floor when I came down from upstairs this morning so I figured I should at least take a picture of them and send it along before putting them back where they belong.
Wow what a lineup! I love the Empire Express box can locomotive!
Jamie: STUNNING!
RSB: Is your floor always replete with such treasures? There is a SAFETY factor involved here, BOTH for the trains, and the senior owner! Caution is the byword!
@Jamie Thompson posted:@FRENCHTRAINS Thanks for showing us your French Hornby No2 Locos. They are very special locos indeed. All the best in finding the green NORD loco - I hope you find one soon!
Thanks @Jamie Thompson, with some time and luck all is possible.... But finding one of those Ron Fox would be great also, I have never seen one in France and they could be a perfect match with Hornby... you have a nice selection of those rare locos.
Very best, Daniel
NJCJOE: Our TCA Museum never fails to impress us! THANKS for sharing those impressive photos! Art Poole TCA 91-33599
The TCA museum is a wonderful place to visit, there is so many to look at. I have been there near ten years ago but the new standard gauge layout will be a major thing to look at for a next trip when the situation will return to normal after the Covid episode..... Daniel
Daniel: Yes, and stay SAFE! :-)
Tinplate Art - most of my train sets are well behaved and stay in their boxes where they belong but every now and then a few of them decide they've had enough and they sneak out during the night and party in the living room and leave me to clean up in the morning...it's just one those tinplate train facts of life...
Jamie / Daniel : Thank you both so much for the information on the HRCA and HRCAA I am currently trying to join at least one of them. I really appreciate your taking the time to give me the information. Also, Daniel, what great std gauge sets, really liked Std Gauge (or Wide Gauge as our AF friends would say) but I simply ran out of space to show or operate them except occasionally at Christmas around the tree. I enjoy what I have but have not tried to add to the collection at all in recent years. OOOPs I forgot a Lionel 211 flat car that my brother found for me at an Ohio train show. This thing, standard gauge from 1926-27, is my only "series 200" car and is about a foot long. The rest of my Lionel SG is 800 series cars and somewhat smaller. ! I can't imagine how large a full set of these cars would be, but I would have to set them up in the back yard (or garden).
Jamie I am really enjoying your pictures of your clockwork layout. Thanks for posting. I have a small "collection" of Hornby both the UK Hornby and the French Hornby and really like what you are doing for your layout. As a clockwork layout, I have thought some about doing something similar, a small layout where I could run the Hornby and I have some Distler clockwork as well as some from American Flyer and Marx. Who knows, maybe some day.
Best regards to all
Don
Well just to conclude my Saturday afternoon of posting, how about some "HAFNER"....its been awhile since I posted any of these so here are two tankers just to finish up today...(or say..."tanks a lot!" Oh boy is that bad!).
The first is what I believe to be the older and more common, the silver, black, & red Hafner 1010 tanker. Hafner often numbered his cars and engines 1010 because (it is said) that was the address of the factory on the street in Chicago. Who knows. He did bring out the 1010 loco in 1938 and produced it up through the late 40's although Hafner products are very hard to date. So this car could have been used to accompany any freight set from 1938 on to about 1949-1950.
Around 1950 Hafner changed the lithography on the engines and cars and produced the 2000 series engine. There is a video on the internet claiming to show a "1950 Hafner Freight Set" in operation and the consist contains this orange car. I believe that this car in this new color was made from 1950-51 up until Hafner sold out to Wyandotte toys in 1956. In fact it may indeed have been used for a short time after, because Wyandotte just used up old stock that they acquired in the sale until it ran out. However these post sale cars are usually stamped Wyandotte - Hafner and this car carries no such markings. So it is likely to have been made 1950-1951 up until about 1956.
You will note that both cars have what appear to be two black holes to the left and right of the ladder about 3 rungs down from the dome. These are not physical holes but just circles or big dots in the lithography. Candidly I have no idea what they are supposed to represent and they appear on both cars in the same place. Mystery for sure.
Well anyway, just thought these guys were fun to post, hope you like them. If anyone has any further data on these cars please let me know. I have looked at the various web sites, especially Western Division TCA and they have some nice pictures but few dates.
Regards, Don
Here are some photos of tinplate happenings on my pike.
I sold the little crane recently. Apparently it was relatively rare and inly made one year. Someone said the roof was repainted, but it looked original to me with the expected patina and no sign of disassembly or over paint, even though the smokestack is normally black.
George
Well this deciding not to buy stuff is working out well for me ..... 
Sooooo my british guy hits me with ... A French Hornby rake at a price that cannot be argued with ... Buying Ban Compromised !
Loco and ( Backwards ) tender
Matchy matchy carriages ... ( with differing amounts of roof fade )
Leading to an all up rake of ...
Come to Papa~ !!!
ALL: NICE treasures! THANKS for sharing! :-)
Here are a couple older pictures from around the layout and some more recent ones as well.
Impressive Dennis, all those boxcars.... that's a dream for me....
For the weekend here is my model of the lionel M10000 City of Portland in silver, less common than the yellow and brown model, it is a little scratched but I will keep it in used condition, I prefer some patina to a brand new shiny model.
Have a great weekend, Daniel
Again a few news in the collection.
Karl Bub house 1621, made 1928-1939
Karl Bub coach with automatic coupler from set 949, made 1925-1928
Adolf Schuhmann coach 840/2, made around 1935
And working this week on a Karl Bub signalbridge 734 /5 E, made 1910-1924. A complete restoration.
Arne
And working this week on a Karl Bub signalbridge 734 /5 E, made 1910-1924. A complete restoration.
Well done on the restoration! Great to see rusty tinplate getting a new lease on life 👍 Look forward to seeing the completed restoration
Cheers Jamie
Here is a pic with the Dept 56 Halloween Rickety Railroad Station added!
Working on my work trade with Don Kelly. Filling three Lionel 512 gondolas for his Christmas Train. 2 of the 3 are still in-progress.
@Jim Z posted:
Chris,
I love the cover photo of the 840 power station.
i think it is the most spectacular of the Lionel pre war structures.
My power station is by T Reproductions. I did not use the platform in order to fit it into a tight space.
Jim Z
Chris L and Jim Z , here is my 840 entry. With all the other structure colors in the 'Industry area' on my Standard Gauge Upstairs Layout, I'm glad I went with the Red/White version. Mine is by MTH.
@jhz563 posted:Homework (It was him, not Conner, nice try though!)
BEAUTIES! Love the yellow, blue and pink tins, too. I need to find those three.
Cannot remember if I shared pic(s) recently of the still-a-work-in-progress American Flyer O Gauge area (I lovingly refer to it as American Flyer Litho-Land) on the new layout... please forgive me if I'm being redundant. A few new items have been added recently.
Way back - probably around 1980 or so, a TCA member published an article in the Quarterly about small American Flyer Stations. I had just become interested in the stations and the information provided was a welcome addition to my then meager store of knowledge concerning the stations.
The author provided pictures of the various stations along with their names. One of the pictures was of the small Glen Ellyn station which, as we know today, was Hafner and not American Flyer. At the fall York meet for the same year I found a complete "American Flyer" station set with the Glen Ellyn station. Other than a rubber stamped 1100 on the box side there was no other identification.
It was only after the passage of several years and my accumulation of additional knowledge about American Flyer stations that I came to realize the author had made a mistake with regards to the Glen Ellyn station. This wasn't a problem. Rather it was fun to discover I had something different and something which, for me, has proven to be unique in that I've never seen another one of these sets (now watch - half of the posters to this thread will come back with pictures of mountains of these sets in their respective collections ).
#1100 Hafner Station Set
Box contents - note the semaphore on the straight post is part of the station and is held in place by a hole in the station roof
Hafner station with semaphore attached
Robert: THANK YOU for posting the Hafner 1100 Station Set...not only is it beautiful to see but it has helped me in what you will think an unusual way. I have the crossing gate and the "Danger" cross buck and have for years wondered who made them (I can't recall how I got them but likely just picked them up "under the table" at some train show ) but now due to your posting I can identify them as Hafner!!. Thanks !
Don
@Robert S. Butler Found as far away as Australia ... a matchy matchy Hafner Glen Ellyn
(Well apart from a green roof , different years mebbe?)
Nothing New to add today sadly 
Fatman, based on what I've seen it looks like Hafner changed the colors of the litho brick and stone sides, roof enamel color, and perhaps even base colors (I say perhaps because I have seen some green bases but I couldn't decide if they were original or repaints). However, I haven't seen anything that would suggest a timeline for these changes.
To your station - I have one like it too - less the semaphore. It is obvious from the wear marks on the extreme right hand side of the station that it did have a semaphore at one time but it was long gone by the time I found it.
Love the interior detail on that exquisite Schuhmann coach! Also those wonderful small Flyer stations and accessories. Especially like the colors on the one from "down under".
@Carey TeaRose posted:Cannot remember if I shared pic(s) recently of the still-a-work-in-progress American Flyer O Gauge area (I lovingly refer to it as American Flyer Litho-Land) on the new layout... please forgive me if I'm being redundant. A few new items have been added recently.
Those are some very, very nice buildings and accessories- it looks like AF Litho-Land will turn out great!
Your last picture piqued my interest. Do you know who made the five figures in the green box? Also- what size are they, roughly? If I recall correctly, it wasn’t until Postwar that Gilbert AF had Comet Metal Products/Authenticast Products figures for them that were marketed as American Flyer
@Arne posted:And a unknown indicator for Australia
With Adelaide, Mildura, Albury, Bendigo, Frankston, Geelong, Flinders St
Arne
That piece is charming. Looks like it's made from an Altoid tin. Could even be homemade?
Edit: Further reading down the thread brought me to Jamie's description. I guess I was partially right in that it is from a repurposed tin.
I guess I haven't been on the Forum much because I had about 4 pages to catch up on. Beautiful stuff all around- what a treat to see. Thanks everyone for your great photos and videos.
I have to agree with everyone though that the cake goes to JMK's Leipzig station and the entire scene he has created around it. That was just WOW!
A rare sighting. 3 boxed Atlas Tool Co houses. These will be on my table at this Saturday’s meet. Also will have a few unboxed ones.
Steve
Steve: What vintage are those NICE metal buildings?
@Tinplate Art posted:Steve: What vintage are those NICE buildings? What material construction?
Postwar. I emailed Atlas trying to get more info and they have no records going back that far, early to mid 50’s as a guess. They are all tin shells with plastic windows and doors.
Steve
THANKS! That would be my guess. :-)
A couple of weeks back I posted my Brimtoy Royal Scot Locomotive and tender ....
As fate would have it today I managed to find his brother in a Brimtoy Britannia Locomotive and tender from the same era .. again gorgeous lithography hiding a cheap as chips clockwork mechanism
And Comparison shot of the two
ROYAL SCOT
BRITTANIA
Fatman: What fabulous engines. The lithography is spectacular...I note the difference between the "splasher" design of the Royal Scot vs the more common (in the US) horizontal walkway design of the Britannia.
Steve Eastman - first of all...you are having a "Train Show" ! There has not been one of those in Texas since last January. Shows cancelled as far away as La in our TCA division. Next, from your discussion I am assuming that the houses are painted metal, is that correct? I was struck at the similarity to the Plasticville "Cape Cod" design even the color schemes seem similar, i know that the red/white and blue/white scheme was offered in plasticville not sure of the green. By the way to help in your dating, I agree with the 1950's. These "Cape Cod" houses were built by the hundreds specifically for returning veterans at the close of WWII / Korean war (one of which was my parents one and only owned house from 1953 - 1978 and the site of my first layout!).
Me - I have scored a pair of 529 Pullmans, 1926-1932, in the olive green / green roof livery I will post pictures when they arrive. I do have an appropriate 252 loco to go with them but I am still looking for the 530 observation.
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Fatman: What fabulous engines. The lithography is spectacular...I note the difference between the "splasher" design of the Royal Scot vs the more common (in the US) horizontal walkway design of the Britannia.
Steve Eastman - first of all...you are having a "Train Show" ! There has not been one of those in Texas since last January. Shows cancelled as far away as La in our TCA division. Next, from your discussion I am assuming that the houses are painted metal, is that correct? I was struck at the similarity to the Plasticville "Cape Cod" design even the color schemes seem similar, i know that the red/white and blue/white scheme was offered in plasticville not sure of the green. By the way to help in your dating, I agree with the 1950's. These "Cape Cod" houses were built by the hundreds specifically for returning veterans at the close of WWII / Korean war (one of which was my parents one and only owned house from 1953 - 1978 and the site of my first layout!).
Me - I have scored a pair of 529 Pullmans, 1926-1932, in the olive green / green roof livery I will post pictures when they arrive. I do have an appropriate 252 loco to go with them but I am still looking for the 530 observation.
Don
Don, the houses are painted steel with plastic doors and windows. Similar in size to Plasticville.
Steve
Steve: Thank you , I have never seen houses like that before. Just proves that no matter how long you are involved in this hobby there is a "universe" of things you have not seen.
Regards, Don
Scott Smith
@StevefromPA posted:Those are some very, very nice buildings and accessories- it looks like AF Litho-Land will turn out great!
Your last picture piqued my interest. Do you know who made the five figures in the green box? Also- what size are they, roughly? If I recall correctly, it wasn’t until Postwar that Gilbert AF had Comet Metal Products/Authenticast Products figures for them that were marketed as American Flyer
The O gauge figures in the box are Dinky. They came via eBay. I have two different sets. Leaving them in the boxes to keep them in good shape until the layout is much further along. My Standard Gauge figures often fall over and ding up their noses.
The newest arrivals! Both bought from Dave Corbett of Wisconsin. An all original American Flyer Wide Gauge 4021 lighted caboose, and an original American Flyer Wide gauge 4010 tank car, that had been beautifully repainted by Dave Corbett. I requested and he agreed to apply two A.F. LINES AIR SERVICE decals to it for me. BIG DOG beauties both!
Layout vignette: Bing's "Superior Railway Station" No. 13130, 1902-14. This example with one arc lamp and interior that was electrified a long time ago. This tinplate large station features wall embossing, attached window and door frames, glass windows, tower-like central building with passage, embossed roof with telegraph frame, 2 side buildings, embossed roofs, 1 passage with corrugated iron arched roof with decorative borders, railings with chains, one arc lamp with sign, and a clockwork bell mechanism.
Arne and JKE: Love that Brimtoy George V and that stunning Bing station! GREAT stuff!
Keep 'em comin! :-)
One of the best JEP train set, the "Golden Arrow". This one dates from 1935 and is all original and in perfect running condition.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
@Arne posted:Here one more of this Brimtoy locos, the George V
Arne
Just lovely! What's the approximate year(s) of manufacture for these?
PD
PD,
was made around 1930.
Arne
Just dug out my prewar Paya station to take to tomorrow’s meet.
Steve
Steve: Very NICE!
Steve,
Love the station
@Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Just dug out my prewar Paya station to take to tomorrow’s meet.
Steve
Wow!
@FRENCHTRAINS posted:One of the best JEP train set, the "Golden Arrow". This one dates from 1935 and is all original and in perfect running condition.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
Wow - what a set!
Steve / Jim- beautiful stations. Jim the way you have yours detailed with period "people" is just outstanding. Arnie - the Brimtoy engine is really spectacular, especially the lithography of the engineer and fireman inside the cab. Daniel - WOW what a set, beautiful and amazing that you were able to find it in such a condition. I must admit, I was curious about the second car, it appears to have a cabin in the center and the two ends are more narrow and carrying cargo? I could not place what type car it is. Knowing JEP it must be well modeled after a prototype as their works were always quite realistic.
Great pictures everyone
Don
Daniel: What a beautiful set! Is that second car some kind of combination baggage/brake wagon?
jhz563, the Golden Arrow set has been a dream for many boys in that time, it was the most expensive model from JEP and the price of it was a month salary of an employee, anyway many where sold and they are not rare to find
Don and Art, the car is a baggage car. There is a central cab for the crew and two containers. When the train has to cross the Channel between France and Great Britain the containers where removed and placed in the ferry. The containers on the JEP car are not removable.
To give you a better illustration here a picture of an Elettren car, scale model of the original.
Daniel
TOTALLY COOL!
This week, I had repaired 3 similar locos.
The brown is a Bing 11/456 (1927-1929) and the green is a Bub 477L (1936-1937) , which was made with the Bing tools. Both clockwork.
And a Bing 11/883 electic loco. Was made 1928-1932 and has the last Bing motor.
Together with the 11/456 clockwork loco. The 11/883 is much bigger.
Arne
What great posts! Daniel, thanks for the info on the baggage car in your JEP Golden Arrow set. It certainly is a unique configuration and one that I have never seen before. Arne - beautiful locos for sure. Well my contribution today is considerably more mundane, although not for me. I have had the Lionel #252 loco from 1927-28 for many years but I could not find the proper passenger cars to go with it. Lionel used the #252 in a number of colors actually in set # 294 but the Lt. Olive color came with matching Lt Olive #529 Pullmans and #530 Observation. I had the (supposedly) more valuable terra - cotta color but simply could not locate the Lt. Olive. Finally on e-bay I was able to secure at least the #529 Pullmans (still have the #530 to go) in the Lt. Olive color scheme. The #252 + two #529 Pullmans + #530 observation in the Lt Olive scheme was Lionel set #294 in 1927-28. So at this point I have 4/5 of the set!! By the way for trivia buffs, the #529/530 was exactly the same car as the #629/630 but Lionel (in 1927) charged $.15 more per car for the #529's. Now $.15 in 1927 was not a trifling sum as it is today, for 2 Pullmans and an observation that was almost 1/2 a dollar. Why so much more for just a different number ? Lionel claimed it was due to the presence of the blue celluloid window treatments over the windows in the #529's ...who knows, but you can see the treatments in the following photo.
Here are the two Pullmans, note the blue celluloid treatment over the windows . By the way, I know that there are no wheels and axles on the cars...they came with the proper ones but I have them cleaning and will replace them tomorrow. These cars did not have journal boxes in 1927-28 so that is accurate. These frames, properly, do not have the slots for journal boxes so they are correct.
Here is a close up of one of the cars. you can see the window treatment, the fact that the frame is properly embossed with two springs over each axle and a simulated air tank and steps under each door. The earlier cars, even in this color scheme have rubber stamping on the bottom of the frame stating..."Lionel Lines, made in USA" however in 1927-28 they replaced that rubber stamping which what is called an "oil label", just a paper label glued to the bottom of the frame giving lubrication instructions. These cars do have the appropriate oil label.
Well not the most rare or valuable, but the end of a (Partial) long term search for me. I now have most of the correct consist for my 252 loco.
Have a great weekend everyone
Don
My contribution today are some photos of my cleaning efforts today.
I have had this Zephyr for about a year and I have had it set aside, waiting to be polished and cleaned. A friend of mine told me how to clean the vestibules and other plated parts that have oxidized and turned green. Here is the before picture
Both the vestibule and front window frame are showing this green tint. I dipped a qtip into some rust and blue remover, rubbed the metal until the oxidation went away and then sprayed everything with WD-40. Here is the end result.
NWL
@Nation Wide Lines posted:My contribution today are some photos of my cleaning efforts today.
I have had this Zephyr for about a year and I have had it set aside, waiting to be polished and cleaned. A friend of mine told me how to clean the vestibules and other plated parts that have oxidized and turned green. Here is the before picture
Both the vestibule and front window frame are showing this green tint. I dipped a qtip into some rust and blue remover, rubbed the metal until the oxidation went away and then sprayed everything with WD-40. Here is the end result.
NWL
wow,i have one that someone sprayed with silver paint,,,,will keep this in mind,,,so you didnt have to use a buffing wheel???
@terry hudon posted:wow,i have one that someone sprayed with silver paint,,,,will keep this in mind,,,so you didnt have to use a buffing wheel???
No buffing wheel used. I only cleaned the cadmium plated parts (doors, trucks, vestibules, and front window frame) that were oxidized/green. Simply used a q-tip to clean, WD-40 and a rag to clean the cleaned surface with.
For the aluminum parts, the only thing I cleaned was the roofs and I used aluminum wheel cleaner. The roofs were not that bad, just some light buffing.
@pd As Arne said his King George is prewar ( 30's) , The Britannia and Royal Scot are early post war Brimtoy I believe
Ok today I have some real roughies !!!
First up was a set of Robilt tracks and tanker and open wagon that went for next to nothing praise be to the seller who didnt know what it was and listed it in just the normal toys section !
Not terrific to look at , but in any condition Robilt is pretty collectible here , but even better , as I already have a loco and tender ( in slightly better shape) that goes with all this to make a COMPLETE Robilt set ... Good things come to those who wait ( and stalk ! )
Next off the block is a deal struck with my Dutchy mate , who a couple of weeks ago sent me a photo of a spoorwegen/triebwagen ( or rail motor) he recently found with a very crude spring drive mechanism to see if I knew anything about it ... I didnt, and still dont ! ... but at the time he postulated it might be a well made, home built contraption with the crude spray paint livery obviously done with a template, masking sheet... But it really appealed to the "collector " in me , however I knew he probably wasnt going to part with it ( I wouldnt lol ) so I didnt really ask ... and then this week he emails me saying he's found another one listed on a local Dutch Buy/Sell page , along with some ADRIA carriages and tender ... Right says I .. this must become ours! so we made an offer and it came thru
I am keeping the railmotor, the Distler(?) ESSO wagon and the ADRIA tender ( its better than the one I have) , he will keep the tracks, mettoy bridge, and ADRIA carriages ( to restore) and we both got a good deal ! This second Railmotor is a bit rougher than his original example , but as the spray job is identical , its now obvious that some small Dutch Manufacturer must have made them ?
If any of our Europe Specialists can put a name to these I would be super grateful , otherwise they will be forever added to the Mystery Pile ( and I HATE the mystery pile! )
Driveline...
Dutchy's railmotor
And Mine ( which needs a connecting rivet )
Both reunited after who knows how many years ?
Dutchy assures me they appear to be styled after a form of railcar in the Netherlands in the 50's
Any ideas Brain Trust ?
This was my tables at today’s meet. Almost all tin. This was the best turnout since we started the parking lot meets to comply with current virus protocols
Steve
Lots of nice pieces, Steve. Standard gauge Pride Lines Mickey Mouse shells? I recently picked up the o-gauge trio.
@Carey TeaRose thank you for clarifying for me! Much appreciated! As is clear with your wonderful American Flyer Litho Land And other members’ layouts- when you collect & operatetoy trains you start collecting some other things too and/or incorporate things we’ve previously collected into our train layouts.
With die-cast, lead, hollowcast soldiers, thats something I’ve always collected, but now focus on .9” to 1.5” figures(25mm to about 40mm)-now I obviously collect a variety of such figures. Anyway, as it pertains to your Dinky die-cast figures, While researching die-cast vehicles, which I’ve always liked but started to collect b/c of trains, I came across the fact that Dinky made soldiers and then saw that they made o gauge figures! Even says so on the front of the box. I hope to get some myself one day.
@Fatman posted:
Kibri or Beckh ...that is a fantastic piece of tin.
@Fatman posted:If any of our Europe Specialists can put a name to these I would be super grateful , otherwise they will be forever added to the Mystery Pile ( and I HATE the mystery pile! )
Any ideas Brain Trust ?
Fatman,
it´s a dutch model, so I had asked Fred. Was made by a small manufacturer called "Wester Metaalwarenfabriek" which existed from 1955 to 1959 and is practically unknown.
The train can be seen at the beginning of this video.
Arne
Terrific THANK YOU @Arne ... I was actually searching the web yesterday for Fred @sncf231e 's email for exactly the same purpose , but hes an elusive bugger LOL ! There isnt even a contact me on his website I even contemplated leaving him a "call me " in the comments at youtube LOL!
Can you pass on to him my share of eternal thanks for this as well .... I miss the fellow!
Our Dutch friend, Fred, is definitely "da man" with his exquisite collection and that fantastic multi-rail outdoor layout! I so DEARLY miss his posts on this forum, but RESPECT his decision! :-)
Showing my Marx castle and my vintage Barclay skaters and sledders. This is near the 115 Station and Pride Lines passenger shed on my Upstairs Standard Gauge layout. I re-invented the castle as “Castle’s Playland” (donated by Mr. Castle to the town) winter sports facility with a skating rink and sled run.
NICE! :-)
Little bit quiet in here again so here is this weeks finds from me
From Dutch buy and sell place it looks like this Ottmar Beckh OB700 loco and consist shall be headed my way
Ignore the tin "whatever " in the smokestack lol I think someone "value added " it
Also missing roof on one carriage , but elsewise pretty complete ...
And just because I liked it .. a little vintage Diecast 0-6-0 locomotive from Budgie/Morestone in the UK late 40's/50's
Leipziger Bahnhof bei Nacht.
JKE: Der Schone bahnhof! Danke, mein herr! :-)
Guys: Keep 'em comin!
A high voltage model from JdP, later became JEP, dating from 1924-25. I always enjoy running high voltage models, just have to take care and they are not more dangerous than classic 20v ones.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
First summer heat wave is on its way so it’s inside playing trains this weekend for me.. Hope to run the 1948 Maurlyn Clockwork Silver Chief set again this weekend..
Daniel: NICE engine and interesting controller!
Nice find @Fatman!
https://ogrforum.com/...3#152477233913387873
They are the later ROBILT (Hornby style) rolling stock from when Rytime took over the reigns and formed ROBILT-Rytime c1955 IIRC. Quite hard to find these and it looks like you got them at a good price to!!
@Jamie Thompson I was holding my breath for 7 days expecting to get blown out of the water lol
But every now and then you find something where others dont and you end up taking it home ...
On the more recent front the Ottmar Beckh has arrived at Dutchy Mates and has had a radical "Chimonectomy" where the offending bit of tinware was plucked from where it was shoved in a tense groundbreaking Dutch Surgery !
Gratuitous before and after pic !
Sooooo much sexier after her nose job!
@Fatman posted:@Jamie Thompson I was holding my breath for 7 days expecting to get blown out of the water lol
But every now and then you find something where others dont and you end up taking it home ...
On the more recent front the Ottmar Beckh has arrived at Dutchy Mates and has had a radical "Chimonectomy" where the offending bit of tinware was plucked from where it was shoved in a tense groundbreaking Dutch Surgery !
Gratuitous before and after pic !
Sooooo much sexier after her nose job!
I find it interesting that the red tube has tabs on it, indicating that it was originally designed to be a part of something. Somewhere, somebody is desperately looking for that part.
Arne,
That Fandor caboose is in fabulous condition!
NWL
Well tinplate fans, I can tell you that I always take away from this post a wide variety of things that despite my years of collecting I have never heard of before. Fatman - you continue to amaze with that Ottmar Beckh locomotive and cars, Never saw nor heard of that make before, thanks for posting. Jamie Thompson - Wow another first for me...a Maurlyn Silver Chief, another brand that is a first for me. It illustrates how in the post war "boom" many manufacturers pushed out toy trains to satisfy what must have seemed to them an insatiable market. I know I got my first set (Lionel) at 3 years old in 1947 (not sure it wasn't more for Dad and Grandad however ) Daniel - you are more brave than I , messing with that 220 V power for trains! Wow I bet "mom" really loved letting her kids play with that. Your mechanism for varying the power into the tracks however, was also used in the US. In fact I have some pictures of a speed control using 3 or 4 light bulbs in a row and you could speed up or slow down the train by turning each bulb individually on or off. By the way, Europe was not the only place where you could get somewhat dangerous toys, in the 1920's I have a Lionel flyer showing "kids" how to make a power source for their trains by creating a battery with glass tubes filled with sulfuric acid!
OK so what is my input this week. Well first of all its not tinplate...although it could be used with tinplate trains and in the more common versions of this kit many of us had this item on our layouts. To me it is a bit of a mystery. It is what I would have called a "Plasticville" Red/white Cape Cod house, very similar to the style of houses Steve Eastman showed back on 11/17 but all plastic not metal. The mystery comes from the packaging and the box not the contents. As you will see, nowhere on the box does the word "Plasticville" appear and even the maker , referred to in tiny letters on the bottom of the box (would not be visible in a picture) as "Bach Bros" (likely a shortened version of "Bachman"?). In addition, although the house is clearly sized for O-gauge toy trains, nowhere on the box does it show the toy being used that way nor does any of the advertisement relate to toy trains. In fact it clearly markets itself as a "construction"type toy and also somewhat unique for the time period shows BOTH boys and girls having fun playing with it. It does mention "Christmas Gardens" which is an old term for decorating under the tree but emphasizes "year round play".
Here is the top of the box, somewhat worse for wear but fully complete. You can see it is being marketed to both boys and girls who are BOTH building the house (unlike toy trains at the time which always showed "brother" running the trains and "sister" watching ) and emphasizes "construction" and of course the fact that it is "educational" . Looking at the clothing outfits the children in the illustration are wearing, I would guess the 1930's or so but its hard to be definite. If you look carefully at the open circle at the lower right, you can see it is stamped "red" . We know this kit came in several colors so I expect that the box would be the same except a different color stamp used to differentiate between the kits.
Side of the box - again the theme is "construction".
top and bottom of box - "Build a House" is the theme.
Here are the contents of the box. You can see it is more or less the ordinary Cape Cod house that we all know from the Plasticville line - note missing the chimney. This is the least interesting part of this antique store find to me. It was the box and its unusual advertising that caught my attention. If any of you Plasticville collectors can tell me...is this an early box, before the marketing of plasticville to the toy train community ?? or is it a late box when the manufacturer tried to broaden the appeal???
Well, that is my post for this weekend. Keep hunting everyone!!
Don
This week a completely new item, just arrived in the mail today.
A seemingly unremarkable set, 3188 locomotive from 1931 with no reverse, log, gondola, box, and caboose.
Only thing that is slightly rare is the dark blue log car.
However, the set came in its original box, which is what makes it interesting. The set is labeled for Nation Wide Lines.
The artwork is slightly off from the set, as the artwork shows the Old Dominion set of 1930-1931, which features a 3195 engine and smaller tender (as shown in the artwork, but not found in the set) The artwork for the Old Dominion set is below
As you may have guessed from my username Nation Wide Lines, I like these sets made for JC Penney. The early set labels are shown below.
These set labels were used from c. 1929 to c. 1930 and featured sets that were lithographed with JC Penney's store brand "Nation Wide" similar to set 126/2 below.
However, as the Great Depression went on, the fortunes of JC Penney declined and they no longer were able to get specially lithographed sets.
The later NWL sets appear to be from c. 1931 and had differing labels. The big difference is the labels showed the individual sets (or a reasonable representation of the set) and all of the sets were standard American Flyer items.
Set 128/1
Set 128/11
NWL
@Don McErlean the art on that box reminds me of an English construction set available about the same time and right up until the 60's the Bayko Construction sets
Although they were a different method of constrction , many UK train modellers used them . They were a bit like Lego but instead of interlocking pieces the bases had holes in the into which rods were inserted and the pieces all had holes which then slid onto the vertical rods , much like building a besser or breeze block wall in real life
While I might find obscure things ( or in effect not limit myself to one country or continent) embracing all manufacturers of clockwork @Arne or Frenchy @FRENCHTRAINS always trump me in finding hard to find stuff in really good condition. I am like the junkyard dog picking at the scraps comparatively LOL!!!
Ottmar Beckh is the firm who bought out Adolph Schuhmann ( thanks to the Nazi Party yet again ) in 1939 and continued trading til 1973 ... they did Ogauge directly after the war but managed to semi succesfully board the HO train craze later with mainly battery powered sets in the 1960's
My Dutch friend has decided to let me have the ADRIA consist as well as the Spring drive railcar so kindly identified by @Arne via @sncf231e that we bought the other week , so some more rarities head south ... Again not great quality , but find me better ones LOL!
So this brings the ADRIA collection to in total one loco, 2 tenders and FOUR carriages
the "new " ones
I think @Fatman that we all learn from each other; we do not all collect the same thing and not all have the same possibilities to find stuff. The forum covers three continents and it allows a lot of opportunities and discoveries of all kind. Some stuff is more common in a place than in another one, many of the trains you present are not easy to find in France, except maybe on auction sites, for me I prefer hunting in flee markets and shows. For the moment it is nowhere due to pandemic restrictions so no many new discoveries actually.
@Don McErlean using high voltage for trains was a common practice a long time ago, as live steam models, chemical experiences also.... some very hazardous experiments have been made by young boys in those times, security was a little different, today we are subject to too many rules of all kinds, but it is just my opinion. It was a way to learn the basics of electricity and mechanic.
Today i will just run a classic Lionel model in standard gauge of the Baby State set, original one of course. I am still missing the #310 railway mail car in the same condition, if someone has an extra one for sale do not hesitate to contact me....
Daniel
Fatman and French Trains / Daniel : Thank you for your comments and information. Fatman I agree that the art work on the Bayco toy certainly resembles the artwork on my "House Construction" Toy. The marketing is similar as well, emphasizing the construction aspect of the toy not what you might do with the house / structure after its built. I like that both toys show BOTH boys and girls playing together in the construction of the house. So many of the Lionel ads I have show sister (and sometimes Mom as well) looking on while Dad and brother get to play with the trains. Daniel - wonderful set, I always liked the "baby state set" as its size seemed somewhat more reasonable to me. Beautiful set for sure. I also agree Daniel that I miss the "hunt" at local flea markets and train shows. We have not had a train show in our TCA Division since last January!.
Best Wishes and good hunting
Don
Finished my American flyer Wide gauge NYC Pacemaker caboose. It looks good with my Pacemaker box car and And Gray 4644. Now I need a few more cars that would be typical for a NYC freight train.
The one thing the caboose is missing is a second ladder. I tried Port Line Hobby but he's out. If anyone has ( the rounder top type) that they would sell please let me know.
Ron Fox’s latest item in his “Fox for Ferris” range is a cable flat car. Mine is the black sheep of the family as I ordered mine with Hornby couplers and not the usual Ferris couplers so I could run it behind my Hornby and ROBILT locos.. The chassis is in crinkle black replicating the finish Ferris used on some of there C38 locomotives. 
So Arne, now you will have to start the hunt for the New York members of the Fandor caboose club.
Hello,
this week, I have found a curious Issmayer loco with a lever outside the cab.
The front wheel part was missing, so I had made my own.
The lever is for start and stop.
I also found the locomotive in Michael Bowes' Issmayer book, but in green (page 159).
But the lever seems to be missing in place, at the point of the shaft you can see a slightly rusty spot, as if the lever had broken off.
Since the tender is missing, she got a temporary replacement, which is the wrong color, but I think it was made in the same time.
Greetings
Arne
Weathered Tinplate
One of the many details scale modelers attend to when building their railroad empires is that of giving rolling stock and line side details a weathered finish. Not including basket cases in need of restoration, weathering is not something one normally associates with tinplate. However, it is something that at least two manufacturers of toy trains took into consideration with some of their product.
A number of years ago I saw my first example of a hand painted Bing Kalkwagen (lime transport) in what one might charitably describe as "poor" condition. In addition to it's beat up shape I noticed someone had splattered white paint across part of the top and ends of the car.
I happened to mention the paint splatters to a collector who specialized in Bing and he told me it was the standard paint treatment for that car. The idea being to give the impression of lime dust - weathering tinplate style. Time passed and I managed to find and purchase a nice hand painted example (car on right) which I added to the collection.
A couple of weeks ago a lithographed version of this car showed up on E-bay with a buy-it-now...so I bought it (car on left).
As you can see, the lithographed detail includes the lime dust weathering. The litho car is simpler in construction - litho has replaced the need for side embossing and instead of being a separate piece of metal the roof is now a single hinged hatch.
The only other tinplate fresh-from-the-factory weathered look of which I'm aware is the un-named Ives O gauge set #476 offered in 1929. It was described as "gray with black mottled effect simulating an alkali dust-covered train having passed through the Mojave Desert." Collectors call it the Mojave Desert Train. I've never seen a real life example of this set but on page 66 in Robinson's book "Made in the Ives Shops" there is a small picture of the engine and the observation car.
The formation of the German Deutsche Reichsbahn (German National Railways) in 1920 foretold a major change in the Marklin line of model trains that was to commence in 1928. The introduction of the Model HR Pacific (4-6-2) steam loco model in 1929 represented what some consider the pinnacle of Marklin’s steam locomotive modeling. The HR was offered that year in four versions: two in 0 gauge (live steam and electric,) and two in gauge 1, also live steam and electric. They were lacquered in green and black with trim lines in red. This video shows a first series Marklin 1 gauge HR 64-13021 (1929-31) pulling two Marklin CIWL (Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits) Marklin cars. The cars are: first, a 57cm Marklin 1942 J Speiswagen (diner) 1934-42; and second, a 53cm Marklin 1947 J Schlafwagen (sleeping car) 1930-37. (Reference: Technical Toys in the Course of Time, Vol. 9, The Golden Twenties.)
@Carey TeaRose posted:Cannot remember if I shared pic(s) recently of the still-a-work-in-progress American Flyer O Gauge area (I lovingly refer to it as American Flyer Litho-Land) on the new layout... please forgive me if I'm being redundant. A few new items have been added recently.
Love the original "passenger shelter".
@Jim Kelly-Evans posted:The formation of the German Deutsche Reichsbahn (German National Railways) in 1920 foretold a major change in the Marklin line of model trains that was to commence in 1928. The introduction of the Model HR Pacific (4-6-2) steam loco model in 1929 represented what some consider the pinnacle of Marklin’s steam locomotive modeling. The HR was offered that year in four versions: two in 0 gauge (live steam and electric,) and two in gauge 1, also live steam and electric. They were lacquered in green and black with trim lines in red. This video shows a first series Marklin 1 gauge HR 64-13021 (1929-31) pulling two Marklin CIWL (Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits) Marklin cars. The cars are: first, a 57cm Marklin 1942 J Speiswagen (diner) 1934-42; and second, a 53cm Marklin 1947 J Schlafwagen (sleeping car) 1930-37. (Reference: Technical Toys in the Course of Time, Vol. 9, The Golden Twenties.)
Jim, the items in your collection and your knowledge of them is amazing, and seeing them in operation is phenomenal. Thank you for taking your trains off the shelf and putting them on the rails. I always enjoy your posts.
I hate to be morbid, but I hope that your information is being cataloged so that future generations of train buffs can take advantage of it. The details which exist only in the minds (and basements) of a few talented individuals such as yourself needs to be saved.
@Mallard4468 posted:I find it interesting that the red tube has tabs on it, indicating that it was originally designed to be a part of something. Somewhere, somebody is desperately looking for that part.
Your smokestack looks like one from the smaller Lionel powerstation.
Scott Smith
Arne: That is ONE FINE Fandor caboose! Also like Daniel's "Baby State" set! Of course, JKE's exquisite Marklin engine is the proverbial "cat's meow"!
@Mallard4468 posted:Jim, the items in your collection and your knowledge of them is amazing, and seeing them in operation is phenomenal. Thank you for taking your trains off the shelf and putting them on the rails. I always enjoy your posts.
I hate to be morbid, but I hope that your information is being cataloged so that future generations of train buffs can take advantage of it. The details which exist only in the minds (and basements) of a few talented individuals such as yourself needs to be saved.
Thanks, much appreciated. The historical aspect has always enhanced my enjoyment of our hobby. I've tried to share what information I have freely with fellow hobbyists.
Some little clockwork models by JdP-JEP, dating from around 1928. The first one is a complete set with accessories.
And three variations around the same model. the green one is stamped GN on the tender sides, model for export in Great Britain. The two other ones have a more french look.
Have a nice weekend and take care, Daniel
So much goodness above!!! ^^^^^
Sometimes fate is a marvellous thing .... I have been striking out a lot and not finding too much lately within my tightarse means ... so much so that I actually deviated the other week and picked up a Vintage Danish Tekno motor as a kind of therapy ( lol ) However it can be used to run tinplate accesories so it counts right ?
Very dirty but I see no reason why it will not run again with some TLC .
But then fate stepped in and presented to me something I have been wanting for a very long time , and usually I could never justify the spend, as for what they are they cost a bit, but here was a lonely soul looking for a new owner and it had a LOT of value added upgrades, which many say are necessary, and the start price was pretty much the cost of the upgrades ... I sat on it for a week with no bids .... then with 24 hours to go of course it got one ... and I was 100% knowing I could not justify a bid war ... so I waited for 10 seconds to go and hit it with my very upper limit , expecting failure ... and it closed with a $5 premium on the opening amount ... The dude only bid the exact start bid ???
So yep coming is ...
Soooo...it's a Mamod SL-1 Steam Locomotive runs on O gauge as a narrow gauge style locomotive ... and the best part it's been converted to gas-fired boiler, and full radio control ( speed & reversing)
So, its not VINTAGE vintage, indeed its probably the latest timeline loco I own but man I wanted this all the way back in the 80's .. Forty years later ....
@Fatman posted:So much goodness above!!! ^^^^^
Sometimes fate is a marvellous thing .... I have been striking out a lot and not finding too much lately within my tightarse means ... so much so that I actually deviated the other week and picked up a Vintage Danish Tekno motor as a kind of therapy ( lol ) However it can be used to run tinplate accesories so it counts right ?
Sorry Fatman, again no. This motor was made by Trix in Germany. Was an accessory for an metal construction kit.
Arne
Nice @Fatman Mamod has made a very good loco and it was my first live steam engine also... "some" years ago and I still have it. The one i have is a basic model but yours have been greatly improved and must be nice to run. The only problem with those locs is the flanges of the wheels are not very deep and that is a problem to use it on classic tinplate tracks; it also is sometime a speedy model.... and derails easily but that is part of the fun.
Daniel
@Arne posted:Sorry Fatman, again no. This motor was made by Trix in Germany. Was an accessory for an metal construction kit.
Arne
Aha .. I looked at the fact it might be Trix .. but some Trix ones I have seen had TRIX stamped into the horseshoe magnet pole ?
Tekno must have got them from the same manufacturing plant lol ( most likely Trix as you say)
So its either a Trix without the stamping ( which further searching now shows me is possible) or a Tekno with the sticker removed Both firms had red and green variants
But based on probability you are probably right in it being Trix
Always living and learning !
Oh and for some AWESOME building work .. check out the Tekno built log mill I found on Youtube
Powered by SIX of these type motors
Video from last night.
Scott Smith
@Fatman nice find- as usual. You have been bringing great tin to this thread. I’m now both “jealous” of your life down under And tin! How I wish to get back to Australia some day
@scott.smith great video- awesome layout and wonderful tin! Great job of intermingling different scales!
here’s my Tinplate pick-up from the weekend, besides the unique Arts Caboose and Lionel 804. Bing water tower:
Also, some tootsietoy trains from my collection- in addition to the midgettoys trains I posted last week. A Santa Fe consist. These are longer than the midgetoy
Also, a station I’ve had my eye on- have no clue as to the maker. Anyone recognize this? Above the top clock it says “A.D. 1898”
The station above was At the market where I acquired the Bing water tower. If I knew more about it, I think I’d buy it. OTher items were the Flyer circus set in the box, Lionel 671 loco with set, Lionel 254 set, and Lionel standard gauge set and other cars. The Flyer set below is something in which I am interested. I would’ve bought one of the aforementioned items or the items below had I not just purchased other things at the meet.
American Flyer clockwork. I believe the engine was 13?
Hornby Mecanno station. Priced a bit too high but lookedgood nonetheless 
The station was made by Issmayer but was sold through the Carette catalog.
Roland
@rdigilio thank you very much for your answer- much appreciated! I saw it months ago and was finally able to get a picture this time. The lack of markings was frustrating. I greatly appreciate your help
Glad I could help
Roland
A little morning action down by the freight house...
@StevefromPA posted:Also, a station I’ve had my eye on- have no clue as to the maker. Anyone recognize this? Above the top clock it says “A.D. 1898”
Steve,
the station is similar to the Issmayer stations but was made by Karl Bub. This is model 184/II from Bub catalog 1902.
Was avaible in Carette catalog 1911 too. The most cheaper trains and station in the Carette catalog was made by Bub not by Issmayer.
Here a catalog picture from the Bub 1902 catalog.
Arne
I finished my Polar Express #318 this week. I bought this old 318 shell and I already have a gray MTH #318. I won some unpainted 300 series cars at the Cabin Fever MTH auction.
Scott Smith
Hi Tinplate Fans! Well my post this weekend is a little light, not too much new arrived lately. However, I am expecting a pre-war American Flyer set to be delivered today and if that comes I will post it tomorrow. For today, I have Lionel's "0-27" lithographed passenger cars, particularly the observation cars. First is the "red/brown" livery 1691 complete with fishbelly and nickel journals and handrails on the door. It was made 1936-39. The series of cars, with several slight variations of color ran from 1933-39 . Next is the unusual find, the 1693 an uncataloged car that represented the last stand of these cars and was 1940 only. Note it was manufactured without the fishbelly and with no journals (my car has nickel "journals" that were obviously home made and added after purchase) but it has Nickel hand rails by the door. I chose to leave the home made journals in place as that is the way the car lived its life. The big difference from the more common 1691 is the color scheme, the 1693 has greenish blue sides with and embossed yellow window frames. This color scheme is sometimes called "peacock". While a long way from perfect shape, it is the first opportunity I he had to add a car of this color scheme to my collection.
Well that's all for now, have a happy and healthy weekend everyone
Don
Along those lines, Don, a couple of 1679 box cars, the first being the transition Ives 1679, the second a late Lionel 1679:
Many versions in between and after, including the Lionel 2679 with operating box-couplers.
PD
Great photos pd...I have the "Baby Ruth" car myself, but could never locate the "Ives" transition cars. Great find!
Don
@Don McErlean GREAT pick up with the “peacock” 1693 Lionel observation. I’m a HUGE fan of the Prewar Lionel 1500, 1600 and 1700 freight series and 1500, 1600, And 1800 passenger series. Whether litho or not, all are awesome. And,!let us not forget, the 610 series Ives passenger cars, while not litho I still Love these. That said, it’s the Ives trains from 1928-1932, although some don’t consider the post-1930/non-AF involved cars to be Transition era, which I enjoy the most
Regardless, regarding the 1690 passenger cars and 1691 observation-I’ve seen/heard of the maroon with Ives R.R. Lines, Lionel-Ives, and Lionel Lines. Bright red with brown roof Lionel, all bright red Lionel Lines, Yellow Ives R.R. Lines. Then 1691,1692,1693 in blue and maroon and the peacock. Great finds!
Pair of original Blue Comet's exit the lift and bascule bridges leaving Chicago...Too bad they never really made it there!! LMAO
I am a little late this week, had to wait for a parcel delivery . It contains that nice little storkleg from Carette in O gauge from 1910. O gauge ones seems rarer than gauge one models, I do not know why. Tt is from a "buy it now" on the auction site and was described as a Bing model, very good deal... It must have been fired once or twice so condition is nice and my only Carette O gauge gondola now has a loco.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
Well my American Flyer "Champion" set came and its really in nice shape. Not only that but the engine is near perfect and when put on the track under power, it runs "like a Champion"... smooth and with more than enough power to pull this little consist. The mystery is, what year was this sold or was it even a "set" or is this just a convenient set of cars/loco. Maybe some of you folks more expert on pre-war flyer can help? The mystery is that the loco is clearly the American Flyer called Type XIX by Greenberg was first illustrated in the 1933 catalog but as a 2-4-2. It was offered again in 1934 under the catalog number 612R as a 2-4-0 with the Champion tender. This loco clearly was never a 2-4-2 as there is no mounting for a rear truck nor is there any evidence that the loco has been altered. It also has a huge casting from the motor that projects into the space a rear truck would occupy. Greenberg states that the tender/loco combination was assigned Flyer catalog number 622R which indicates that the loco has a reverse, which it does. The reference says that this loco was offered in 1934 in a Champion passenger train , labeled No 950-RT but does not give the consist. Here is the engine and tender, note "Champion" name on the tender. There is the vestige of a decal reading "American Flyer" under the cab windows.
Now comes the other part of the mystery. The "set" came with two lithographed "Hummer and Express" type passenger cars with one variation. These cars, the 518 Club Car and the 519 Passenger Car are one piece like other Hummer / Express cars but as opposed to the more normal Hummer cars which are 5" long, these are larger at 5 7/8" long. These cars are in rather remarkable shape, no rust or scratched finish, some play wear but otherwise in great shape. The "problem" to me as a historical researcher is that the Greenberg reference states in the section on such cars that these were produced in 1931-32 too early for the locomotive, YET the reference also says that cars of this type were offered in some sets from 1933-38, so the mystery remains. Is this a "set" or just a convenient combination of cars of about the same period (does not really matter to me but I love investigating the history of these trains so I would want to know if possible). Here are the cars. They are clearly marked over the windows as "American Flyer" and not "Empire Express" or "Hummer" and as stated they are larger than the 513/515 car. The Club car configuration with the open baggage door seems to also be unique to this pair. Note they are pictured on top of page 201 in "Greenbergs Guide to American Flyer Prewar O Gauge by Alan R. Schuweiler, 1997 edition"
So I have an engine clearly offered with this type car in Champion sets but does not seem to have been made prior to 1933 (really prior to 1934 as a 2-4-0) seemingly combined with cars that have been offered in a Champion set but were seemingly made in 1931-32 although some information indicates they may be part of a set post 1933 !! So the American Flyer pre-war confusion (to me) continues. Help from others most appreciated.
Here are some pictures of the entire train:
Not sure I mentioned this but to me the great thing is that the loco is in just super condition, no rust or corrosion, gears are in perfect shape as are the rods and driving wheels, no zinc pest here. She RUNS smooth and perfectly...so around my layout she goes. Regardless of the few year discrepancy potential between cars and loco, this group is around 90 years old and still functioning as when she was built!! Doing better than me at 76 (LOL)
Best Holiday Wishes everyone
Don
Don,
Per the 1934 American Flyer Dealer's Price List, set 950T is shown with what appears to be that engine and tender, with two 6.5 inch 4 wheel passenger cars and a 6.5 inch 4 wheel observation car. The cars shown are clearly not the 518 and 519 litho cars that came with your set.
I do not see any offerings of the 518-519 cars in the dealer's price lists after 1932. That is not to say that they were not offered in special sets, but I do not have any printed data that shows they were offered after 1932.
NWL
NWL Thank you, the consist of the 950T was the piece of information I was missing. You are very correct, the cars described do NOT seem like the 518/519 cars that came with my locomotive. The fact that you can't find 518/519 after '32 also makes sense and matches Greenberg's listing for the manufacturing dates for those cars. Your information was key, thank you for responding. I now know that while I don't have an "official" set, I still do have a great mixture of cars and loco that add's to my collection....and runs real good too!!
Don
Oh Dear .... I seem to have done it again ....
Just when I thought I was never likely to ever see another John Van Riemsdyk 4-4-4 loco for sale ... turns out there was another one here in Australia ... from the same estate collection !!!
so ... errrrrr.. seems I have .... errr two? ( this one is still to arrive at Casa Fatmanos )
He is reunited with his BR brother soon!
For those who may not have seen the original posting .. these are "Controlled Clockwork" locomotives with motors invented by JVR that have a controllable governor so you can set the working unwind speed , very high quality mechs and I believe only 600 of the 4-4-4 's were ever built so the above pics represent 0.33% of the total worldwide LOL! ( 2 out of 600)
Couldnt afford it .. couldnt afford to let it go for the opening bid to a stranger lol ... so tried my hand and got it for not much more than opening ... back to tinned beans for a bit ....
With Christmas approaching, now seems like a good time to run some tinplate. 264-E Commodore Vanderbilt with 600 series cars. Have a wonderful day! 
Don, below is a picture of an AF Champion set I purchased a long time ago. It's a close approximation to what you have. Unfortunately, there was no set box so about the best that can be said is what NWL has already stated - it might be a special set assembled at a later time.
Wow!! Robert S. Butler...that is just about the same exact set...my Champion tender has the back up light (simulated) but its cover is just a piece of the black sheet metal stamping. In addition, by loco (at the moment) is a 2-4-0 not a 2-4-2 but that could be just the loss of a rear truck who knows. There is no doubt however that the cars are the same. Well, perhaps we have found a "special set" assembled for some retailer. Well I know this, mine runs around my layout loop with her little 4 wheel cars clattering like the 1930's so I guess that's enough to make me happy. Although I admit I am a bit of a toy train "history" nut and very much appreciate your post and it does help to define this "find"
Fatman - you must be the luckiest guy in Australia! What a fabulous loco and you even likely didn't have to pay the outrageous overseas delivery charges. Beautiful loco for sure.
Merry Christmas to All!!
Don
Thanks @Don McErlean I am certainly not believing my luck .... that is several decades worth of looking under chickens teeth and rocking horse poo I think I have just used up, just thinking about the odds of finding two such locos 70 years after just 600 were made in the UK ... Anything special I find from here on in is "Bonus" in the fate stakes I reckon .
Merry Christmas to all !
Marklin made an electric motor-driven model of the Scheinenzeppelin in gauge 0 and gauge 1 during the 1930s. According to Wiki only one example of the prototype was ever built. It was superseded by the Flying Hamburger, and finally dismantled in 1939. However, we can still enjoy running the models on our layouts as long as we keep passengers away from the prop.
SUPERB!!! @Jim Kelly-Evans one of my very favourite pieces from pre-war ! Sadly none in my collection ...yet!
I would dearly like to come across a Bing version one day in my hunts ... Your Maerklin is stunning !
Daniel: LOVE that exquisite storkleg! :-)
@Jim Kelly-Evans thank you for sharing that- gosh darn beaut! Love the sound it makes on those tracks! What a layout!
Of all the things that caught my eye, however, the sheep. Are they a Random throw in that just worked with your one gauge and fit well in terms of size and appearance? If not- any info you can provide?
@StevefromPA posted:@Jim Kelly-Evans thank you for sharing that- gosh darn beaut! Love the sound it makes on those tracks! What a layout!
Of all the things that caught my eye, however, the sheep. Are they a Random throw in that just worked with your one gauge and fit well in terms of size and appearance? If not- any info you can provide?
Thanks, Steve, the sheep came with the lovely Maerklin reproduction cattle ramp made by my friend Wolfgang Bauer who lives in Leipzig, Germany. I don't know where he sourced them, unfortunately.
My 1924 Lionel set with the twin motor 402 loco just received new bulbs, it still runs very well on carpet central layout. 072 curves are much better than the original ones.
Daniel
Daniel what a great set. thanks for the pictures. Jim Kelley-Evens the pictures of the Scheinenzeppelin are really neat, keeping the passengers out of the prop would be a "customer relations problem" for sure. You know, the NYC (by my faulty memory) tried something similar in the 1960s, it used an RDC with 2 jet engines mounted high on the rear of the roof. Not sure what ever became of that thing, but I believe there were some toy models of it. Hard to remember today.
Don
Can’t even wait till I’m home to post it.I feel my tin has been lacking so I needed to make up for that, of course. Thank you to @rdigilio and @Arne for your input regarding this one
front(or rear)
Rear(or front)
side view with entrance and ticket window
Underneath
This station is either Bub or Carette produced by Bub. Produced from 1902- 1911 or 1913 per this link which is also a good comparison, in addition to Arne’s Bub 1902 catalog picture. https://www.historytoy.com/car...-toy-railway-station
Downs: it is missing the flags(at least it’s missing all of them, keeps it consistent lol), there’s some pieces broken off the structure- and awning and then the top bell on one side. Pros: the litho is actually in pretty good condition- especially for its age! All the railings and posts are intact, no signs that they have ever cracked or broken off and been reassembled. No warping. Majority of paint seems original- except the roof of the station.
off to my next stop!
Well tinplate fans, I have nothing to compare with Steve from PA's 1902 -1911 station but I am pleased to report some progress in my search to complete a passenger set to go with my Light Olive 252 locomotive. On Nov 21, I posted that I had at long last acquired two 529 Pullmans from 1927-28 with the light olive basic body color which matches the loco. I reported at that time that I still had to find the 530 observation but since I had hunted the Pullmans for several years I was not optimistic on finding the observation. I can now report on (Partial) progress. I did find a light olive 530 however it has orange trim from 1928-29 instead of the red trim from 1927-28. Well one can't be too choosy with things that are nearly 94 years old, so here it is. For some reason, the Lt Olive color scheme (which ran for several years with various trims and journal combo's) seem to be much harder to find than the Orange or Red colors, not sure why. So my quest is at least partially complete. I do have the wheels and axles but they are soaking in vinegar to remove surface rust. It is however missing the blue celluloid "window shade" treatment over the windows. This is just an add on strip, I bet I can get some repro parts for that. This car was really in bad (i.e. dirty) shape as was pictured by the seller so it was no surprise and it was quite inexpensive. The "dirt" turned out to be a fine mist of some dark spray like substance. My first guess was long exposure to an older oil home heating system. We had one at my parents home in the 50's and Mom was always complaining about what it did to her wash. Luckily, it cleaned up rather easily with metal polish and buffing. The dark coating came off and the olive paint appeared. Lionel obviously used quality enamel in those days. This variation as you can see has orange trim and nickel journals. Underneath it has a type 1 oil label and a square frame, dating it clearly to 1928-29. The 1927-28 car I was looking for would have had the same oil label but no journals at all and of course the trim would be red (dark red).
Well, happy hunting tinplate fans. Steve from Pa...marvelous station, what a find. Thanks for posting pictures.
Don
StevefromPA - nice station...but, to be complete, a station needs arriving and departing trains...here's one ... KBN
@StevefromPA posted:Can’t even wait till I’m home to post it.I feel my tin has been lacking so I needed to make up for that, of course. Thank you to @rdigilio and @Arne for your input regarding this one
front(or rear)
This station is either Bub or Carette produced by Bub. Produced from 1902- 1911 or 1913 per this link which is also a good comparison, in addition to Arne’s Bub 1902 catalog picture. https://www.historytoy.com/car...-toy-railway-station
Hi Steve,
This has always been one of my favorite tinplate stations. I see it in the Carette catalog, No. 647-32 and the fancier 647-33, and I have seen even larger double facade versions. According to Michael Bowes in his books these stations were made by Issmayer for Bub, Carette and others. Here are some views of my single facade example, which appears to be very similar to your station.
@Robert S. Butler posted:StevefromPA - nice station...but, to be complete, a station needs arriving and departing trains...here's one ... KBN
Robert,
only the Loco is made by Karl Bub, the coaches are made by Issmayer.
There is a easy way to see the difference, look at the frame.
Issmayer rounded
Bub straight
Here a few examples.
Issmayer
Bub
Arne
Thanks Arne. I know the various manufacturers made things for one another. This is a boxed set and everything has KBN markings. So it would appear the set is one of those sold under one manufacturer's label but of mixed parentage - correct?
Robert,
yes, many nuremberg manufacturers have sold or swapped models and individual parts to other manufacturers. Sometimes sets were put together by wholesalers themselves.
Arne
Merry Christmas everyone!
JKE: Beautiful station! Daniel: Very nice original set! MERRY CHRISTMAS to ALL! :-)
A video from the club last night.
Merry Christmas,
Scott Smith
Hi tinplaters,
I've posted my New Year's card on a couple of O Gauge Forum sites, but wanted to make sure
that my friends of the Tinplate Forum see it. Happy New Year.
Lew Schneider
Merry Christmas guys! 🎄🎅🏻 🎁
Merry Christmas folks...all my best wishes for a happy and healthy 2021 - may the new year be much better than the last!
This fellow came by the L&S today, demanded an engine, said something about...."why mess with 8 Reindeer when I can have 100's of horses !!...Need to make up time this year as all the elves are social distancing!
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Don
Merry Christmas and a New Year full of tinplate trains, Daniel
@Don McErlean posted:Hi Tinplate Fans! Well my post this weekend is a little light, not too much new arrived lately. However, I am expecting a pre-war American Flyer set to be delivered today and if that comes I will post it tomorrow. For today, I have Lionel's "0-27" lithographed passenger cars, particularly the observation cars. First is the "red/brown" livery 1691 complete with fishbelly and nickel journals and handrails on the door. It was made 1936-39. The series of cars, with several slight variations of color ran from 1933-39 . Next is the unusual find, the 1693 an uncataloged car that represented the last stand of these cars and was 1940 only. Note it was manufactured without the fishbelly and with no journals (my car has nickel "journals" that were obviously home made and added after purchase) but it has Nickel hand rails by the door. I chose to leave the home made journals in place as that is the way the car lived its life. The big difference from the more common 1691 is the color scheme, the 1693 has greenish blue sides with and embossed yellow window frames. This color scheme is sometimes called "peacock". While a long way from perfect shape, it is the first opportunity I he had to add a car of this color scheme to my collection.
Well that's all for now, have a happy and healthy weekend everyone
Don
What? No Ives yellow?
Jim O’C : great stuff. Ives made in Irvington, N.J. Not far from my parents home ‘44-49 in Bloomfield. Got my first Lionel there in ‘47. Was never able to connect with the Ives versions. Still hunting though!!
Merry Christmas
Don
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