There is another variant, a car for horses. the door opens downwards.
Bing 10/552 made 1920-1932
And another cattle car for small animals, loaded with pigs
Bing 10/586 made 1929-1932
Arne
@Arne= WOW what can I say! You folks have some really neat livestock cars for sure. Arne the "horse" car and the "pig" car with their special accommodations are really interesting, I have not seen anything like that before. P.S. I love the pigs, did you actually find those with the car or are they a later find? I just purchased an IVES cattle car (actually made by Lionel and lithographed with IVES name) It was only available for one year (1932 I believe) than Lionel transitioned all the lithographed cars to the Lionel name but for some reason did NOT bring the cattle car across. It should arrive in about a week and I will picture it when it arrives.
Here is my current 2 deck livestock car, its a Lionel "Circus" car from 1956-1957. No where near the antique age of the cars Arne showed but I thought you might like to see it anyway, in case you haven't before.
Well till I get my Ives Cattle car I will see you then.
Best Wishes and great posts.
Don
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A pre-transition Ives stock car:
If you can find an Ives 1678, Don, you've struck the mother-lode. Very rare and a very tough/expensive find.
PD
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Hello Don, many thanks for your kind words. I have left during some time but always have a look to the best forum. Bing has been a prolific train manufacturer and had a huge production, they made some specific items for Great Britain, France and USA.
Some models where not expensives as the littje clockwork locos, tender is lettered for the New York Central and Hudson River
And the matching passenger car, there is also an observation one that I still have to find...
More to come, Daniel
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Good to see you posting again Daniel (FRENCHTRAINS):
You have some very interesting Bing tinplate models. I don't think there were too many that made their way "down under" to Australia, but Fatman would be more knowledgeable on this than me.
Peter....Buco Australia.
Thanks Peter,
I even have got some Buco models, and many more things I will show in a near future,
Daniel
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Daniel: Thank you for the photos of your Buco "Personwagon" and "Mailwagon". I also have numerous examples of these two wagons, being such an avid collector of all things Buco Spur O.
I have attached a couple of photos of a very special "Personwagon" I have in my possession.
All of the early Buco passenger carriages manufactured by the Bucherer family were all signed/labelled as 2nd class and 3rd class, but I have one of the very few later versions made that depict 1st class and 2nd class!!! They are rare and not easily found.
I believe they were manufactured by Fritz Krahenbuhl for a short time (early 2000) when he obtained all of the dies and presses from the original Buco Bucherer bankruptcy, and he continued on with the Buco legend for a few short years.
Peter.....Buco Australia.
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Peter, interesting as I do not have any 1st class coach and was thinking Buco never made them.
I do not have many variations except that i noticed a different color in markings, old ones are yellow and most recent white.
The paint on the oldest models have a tendancy to crack
Daniel
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Daniel / Peter : Wow, Buco is the one mfr that I have never been able to connect with. Its super rare here in the US at least in the places that I can access. They really are neat looking and thanks to both for posting.
Arne - the Cattle wagons by Bing are really neat, its amazing that the pigs are still with the car. Those kind of add on items are so easily lost and we are talking quite a long time. Daniel thanks to you too for showing those Bing items, the loco is really neat and made for the "New York City and Harlem" RR ...
I am expecting delivery of a "rare" (at least in my view) cattle car that I have ordered from e-bay. It is the "Ives" (actually made by Lionel) lithographed #1708 Cattle car. This was one of several lithographed sheet metal freight cars that Lionel made when they took over Ives about 1930-31. They continued to produce these cars (All except the Cattle car) up until the War Production Board stopped toy manufacturing and re-did the lithography making over the IVES logo into the Lionel name but they did NOT bring across the Cattle Car (why? - who knows) and so the Cattle car was only marketed and available for one year, 1931. As you might imagine this makes it quite unusual. So when I get it I will post pictures.
Best Wishes everyone. Glad to see you all back on the forum.
Don
After cleaning and repairs, the next one from Heinrich Fischer.
A clockwork train set made around 1930.
This set is probably unique, I don't know of any other manufacturer that has built something like it.
There is a 4.5 volt flat battery in the base of the lamp. After switching on the lamp, the track also has power.
The lighting in the signal box building and the front lamp of the clockwork locomotive are then supplied via the track.
Arne
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Yes Daniel (FRENCHTRAINS)......the early manufactured Buco wagons had a "riveted" coupler connection (fine steel pin squashed at its end to retain the drop link coupler) where-as the more recent examples (from about the 1970's onward) had a small threaded pin and nut to secure the coupler. This is the easiest way to define the manufacture.
I believe it was in this change-over period that the lithograph lettering changed from yellow/gold to white, as shown in your examples.
Many spare parts are still available directly from Buco Spur O GmbH (https://buco-gmbh.ch/) as well as from Erich at Amiba Lokschupppen (https://www.amiba-shop.ch/Ersatzteile/Buco-Spur-0/)
Peter.....Buco Australia.
@Arne- that new set you acquired from Fischer is quite unique. I really love how in the earlier days the manufacturer's all faced a similar problem. How to get electrical power from the supply in the proper and safe voltage to run the trains and accessories. Their varied solutions are interesting for sure. I am surprised that more did not move to batteries since by the 1930's electric flashlights were common and the so called "D" battery was everywhere. Lionel only experimented with batteries very early, back when many homes did not have electricity. They pretty much abandoned this approach and never went back to it. Interesting the decisions the various companies and their technical leadership came to.
Don
OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!!
I have just the other day been able to figure out why my Australian built "Ferris" O gauge 3 rail tinplate steam locomotive and tender would not track well around my Buco curves for nigh on 60yrs. I have attached a link to an article describing how the building of this great Australian tinplate train occurred, for a short number of years.
https://collection.powerhouse.com.au/object/44983
Here is a recent picture of my little baby that I have owned since brand new back in 1958'ish (I was 6 or 7 years old), when my father apparently (as the story goes) saw it in a local store, and offered the shop keeper a reduced amount to move it on.
OK, to start with, here is the original box it came in, now showing quite some wear and tare, just like its original human owner.
The loco is a 4-6-0 configuration, but the interesting thing about my particular model is that the open-framed and field coil motor is located in the tender, and this "drives' or "pushes" the loco around. Basically, the loco is a "dummy", with all the tractive power being supplied by the tender.
I have replaced the original roller pick-ups with Buco "spoon" pick-ups (I have kept the original roller pick-ups), to allow it to glide seamlessly through my Buco turnouts and crossings. You can see the worm gear on the motor meshing with the brass gears on the front axles of the tender. This tender had "traction tires" on the drive wheels way back in the late 1950's!!!!
The footplate (seen below) is the structural connection between the loco and the tender, and allows the power from the tender to "push" or "pull" the "dummy" loco around, depending on its direction. The tender also has an E-unit very similar to that in the early Lionel loco's, where a rod is pulled up and dropped down to rotate the cogged contact barrel, to get forward - neutral - reverse etc.
OK, the problem that has plagued this loco for over 60 years is.......if the loco is pushed moderately fast (not at the speed of sound) into a curve, it would rear-up slightly off the inner rail of the curve, and then it would de-rail, sometimes spectacularly!!!
For whatever reason, I had it out of the box last week, to give it a run on the "new" layout and, you guessed it, it de-railed rather spectacularly, at the top curve of the layout. Unfortunately it left the bench and "hit the deck", being the concrete floor!!!! This didn't happen as a kid, as we were relegated to running it on the lounge room floor.
Broke the spindle off at the body mount (behind the steam cylinders), where it secures the four wheel truck frame to the body, but no other damage, phew!! I needed to replace this broken shaft ( easy peesy), and while doing so, I decided to see if I could find the reason for the loco's erratic behavior going through curves......something my father tried on numerous occasions over the early years, with no real success.
What I finally discovered was the configuration and position of the front bogie wheels (leading truck wheels) was slightly off, and this was causing the flanges on the front set of bogie wheels to bind on the underside of the leading edge of the cast steam cylinders, when going through a curve.
What I did was carefully grind off/chamfer the front bottom edge of both steam cylinders with my Dremel, to obtain enough clearance for the front wheels to swing freely when going through a curve.
Who would have thought that after more than 60 years I have finally been able to get this loco to run better!!! I had to tell my father (he's still with us at 96 years young) and he could not believe it either.
Now it pulls my one and only Hornby mixed freight and passenger consist (of about the same age as the loco) perfectly around the layout, navigating 031 and 048 Buco curves perfectly !!!! OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!
Peter......,.Buco Australia.
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@Buco posted:OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!!
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OK, the problem that has plagued this loco for over 60 years is.......if the loco is pushed moderately fast (not at the speed of sound) into a curve, it would rear-up slightly off the inner rail of the curve, and then it would de-rail, sometimes spectacularly!!!
...What I finally discovered was the configuration and position of the front bogie wheels (leading truck wheels) was slightly off, and this was causing the flanges on the front set of bogie wheels to bind on the underside of the leading edge of the cast steam cylinders, when going through a curve.
What I did was carefully grind off/chamfer the front bottom edge of both steam cylinders with my Dremel, to obtain enough clearance for the front wheels to swing freely when going through a curve.
Who would have thought that after more than 60 years I have finally been able to get this loco to run better!!! I had to tell my father (he's still with us at 96 years young) and he could not believe it either.
Now it pulls my one and only Hornby mixed freight and passenger consist (of about the same age as the loco) perfectly around the layout, navigating 031 and 048 Buco curves perfectly !!!! OH HAPPY DAYS!!!!
Peter......,.Buco Australia.
What a great story, congrats on fixing it after so many years, and even better that you could share the victory with your dad. I can understand how it would be difficult to diagnose, since one would never expect such a basic design flaw. Based on the nature of the problem, it sounds like none of the other copies of that engine would have tracked properly - imagine all of the frustrated sons and fathers who owned one.
@Buco - Peter what a great story. Hard to believe that something so fundamental would be the wrong with the locomotive but great job in spotting the flaw (yes I know after 60 years but so what, a fix is a fix!!).
Thanks for posting
Don
Great find Arne.
Saw your post on the Classic O Gauge Forum this morning.
That is an incredible train set in near mint condition, considering it is now 121 years old!!!
Thank you for sharing.
Peter.......Buco Australia.
Arnie: That set from Fischer from 1903 is incredible! The condition is unbelievable for the age!! What a super find!
Thanks for posting.
Don
