Here are mine. Your milage may vary.
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Here are mine. Your milage may vary.
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We're still hoping for a permanent place for our trains. Yes, it's a PITA to fix the modules all the time, they do get beat up traveling around.
Agree with all of your points and finding a permanent space is glorious We were a small modular that made the connection for our space now at a local train show
I would also add the following:
1. You get to see the joy in people's faces when they come up to your layout
2. You might meet a fellow club member who can fix/upgrade engines and rolling stock (and not have to send them out for fixing)
3. You can learn from other members how to maintain/fix engines and rolling stock and broaden your knowledge of how they work
If there was a modular club near West Palm Beach FL that was into O gauge I would join in a minute. Have not found anything like that yet.
I have been to a couple of H.O. clubs and like what I have seen, but no O gauge club.
Lee Fritz
I agree with all of your points BUT here is what you need to have a successful a group:
Reliable and dedicated members
Time
Funding source
A place to store on work on the modules
A means to transport the modules
Can anyone think of any other concerns?
I agree with all of your points BUT here is what you need to have a successful a group:
Reliable and dedicated members
Time
Funding source
A place to store on work on the modules
A means to transport the modules
Can anyone think of any other concerns?
TrainHead,
I agree with your concerns. Our group has many dedicated members who have time to go to shows around Austin throughout the year.
As for the other three concerns you listed, we fund our club mainly through dues and having a Holiday setup in Round Rock starting after Thanksgiving where we "rent" out trains to kids for 5-10 minute time periods. We've found that once the word is out that we are open, we have lots of kids (and parents) coming in to run our trains and the money we make will sufficiently fund us for the year (in addition to the money we make for running at other shows). For most of the open periods, we are consistently renting all 4 tracks at the same time, so the funds add up. We also try to have a raffle people can buy tickets for (which we award right before Christmas).
We have two trailers we store our modules in and they are stored up on the Austin and Texas Central RR grounds. Members of the club driver the trailer to shows and are reimbursed for their gas. When we work on the modules, we take the trailer to a member's home where we pull out the ones we want to work on.
Agree with all of your points and finding a permanent space is glorious We were a small modular that made the connection for our space now at a local train show
And what a place it is!
Here are mine. Your milage may vary.
It might, indeed. In the 90s, I was a founding member of a HO module group in Florida. Worst experience ever, so much so it drove me from the hobby for several years.
So , based on my experiences, I pose ten reason not to join a module group:
sorry some of you do not live on the west coast. we are always looking for new members especially ones who would like to run on the weekends.
we meet people from all over the world.
if any of you travel to san diego bring your engine and if you show up on a Tuesday I will let you hook up to what ever I am running and run for a while.
Here are mine. Your milage may vary.
Your list as well as Allan's additions are right on. The only change I would make is to take the word "modular" out of your description. These are benefits of belonging to any club, modular or permanent.
So , based on my experiences, I pose ten reason not to join a module group:
WOW! You want some cheese with that whine?
So , based on my experiences, I pose ten reason not to join a module group:
Right on Jim. Still working on Number 1.
Pete
I'm not a club exists in Central PA that runs DCS. I personally think it's cool when a group of people on this forum get together and operate on a personal layout. Currently, I only have two friends that even like to operate trains. One lives too far away and the other is an HO guy. I'm going to buy a couple of HO trains to run on his layout when it's complete.
So , based on my experiences, I pose ten reason not to join a module group:
WOW! You want some cheese with that whine?
From P5 past experiences he has some very good points to consider and I believe he should not be mocked. I can see how many of these points are probably valid. In life, you meet a lot of control artist and clicks are common.....especially when dealing with old men.
I knew my response wouldn't be popular. But I know plenty of people who've had bad experiences with modular clubs, in various scales and parts of the country.
If you like the "Indy 500 with flanged wheels and ignore any concept of realistic operation" feel of many (most, in my experience) modular clubs, then go for it. That does have an appeal for some folks in the hobby.
But it isn't the end-all, be-all experience for everyone that some would lead you to believe. Sure, there are some decent groups out there, I'm willing to accept, but I've found the effort, time and money was best invested into a small layout of my own, a decision that is made often by former module club members.
if you like doing everything by committee and letting a small core of 'chosen few' make all the decisions for you, then it might be a good fit for you.
Lee,
It seems obvious from your original post that you had a bad experience with a club. I understand that the items you mentioned could and do happen. Whenever you get different people together, you have to deal with personalities. I'm glad to say that my experience has been quite different. I have been a member of a club for over 25 years. My experiences have been positive for the most part. There is a lot to be gained by being a member of a well run club.
PS. The Grinch thing was tongue in cheek. Nothing personal intended.
Lee,
It seems obvious from your original post that you had a bad experience with a club. I understand that the items you mentioned could and do happen. Whenever you get different people together, you have to deal with personalities. I'm glad to say that my experience has been quite different. I have been a member of a club for over 25 years. My experiences have been positive for the most part. There is a lot to be gained by being a member of a well run club.
PS. The Grinch thing was tongue in cheek. Nothing personal intended.
I assume that you are talking about a different Lee, as there are 2 of us who have posted on this topic.
I have not not had a negative experience just I have not found an O gauge club near me.
Any way I am working on my layout at the house and will have my own little room or world for trains. Have most of the lighting done and over half the display shelves hung too. Finished the top of the room track too and able to run a short train up there.
Lee Fritz
I meant P51 Lee. Sorry for the confusion.
Funny, Lee isn't an extremely common name for men anymore, yet I encounter it all the time online...
I was going to extend an invitation to run with the River City 3 Railers. Beyond that, I really don't know if it would be prudent to add much else pro or con to this discussion.
Since my fellow club members are my friends, I cannot fathom the level if dysfunction you describe.
Do yinz guys ever drink beer of some good old rye whiskey?
Norm
Do yinz guys ever drink beer of some good old rye whiskey?
Norm
Every time I've been to the group meetings and run sessions, there haven't been any "yinz" there, but beer was certainly discussed.
Norm,
We don't speak Appalachian.
Good or bad at least in a club you're not alone in your basement, except maybe with your wife asking how much did that one cost........
Good or bad at least in a club you're not alone in your basement, except maybe with your wife asking how much did that one cost........
Sounds like you have a "wife problem". I don't ask about her jewelry and she doesn't ask about train costs.
I like all the reasons listed (for and against), and I think I can relate to both sides presented to an extent.
If I had to rely on the modular club as the only time I could run my trains, this hobby would not be too appealing to me. Our club only does a half dozen shows a year, so the run time would be seriously limited. But using the club as a reason to get out and talk to other train guys and talk to the public about trains adds another layer to the hobby that I would not be able to experience tucked away in my basement.
Logically it doesn't make sense to me to belong to a modular club. You spend 2 or 3 hours setting up the tables and an hour or two tearing them down so you can run trains for maybe 3 hours over the course of a typical weekend. That's to say nothing about the time and expense in building the modules that likely will not be used for anything but the club. Or the time spent getting to and from the various venues the layout is set up at.
I don't plan on quitting anytime soon though; there's worse ways to kill a weekend than playing with trains on a huge layout.
J White
You spend 2 or 3 hours setting up the tables and an hour or two tearing them down so you can run trains for maybe 3 hours over the course of a typical weekend.
Not to mention the all the time tinkering time you have to spend wondering why one module (often, the same one) isn't allowing a continuous contact or has a short nobody can find.
Not naming places or dates, but I knew of a module group that'd go to shows and I swear, they spent the vast majority of all the time at the show during public hours trying to diagnose a (I hope) new electrical or DCC problem each time.
Jim,
It is not Appalachian,but,the local dialect of southwestern PA. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion?
Norm
#1 Run Trains
#2 Promoting Trains
#3 As to why and referring to the other thread, I am looking forward to all of the questions! We are building new modules and will be running in 4 weeks.
If you can find a bunch of like minded people who you can work with to build something awesome, then by all means, do it. I did exactly that for 14 years with guys like Hot Water and SanatFe Jim.
But Lee has some real points too. Some of the things he mentioned were the very things that finally blew-up our group. So don't take what you have for granted if you're lucky enough to have found a group that can play well together. You don't know what you've got till it's gone.
Hopefully I'll be able to get over to Griffith and see you guys soon.
- RICH
Hay Norm
Do yinz guys ever drink beer or some good old rye whiskey?
I'll sure try and talk Appalachian.
Larry
Jim,
It is not Appalachian,but,the local dialect of southwestern PA. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion?
Norm
Whiskey Rebellion, can't say as I do. That was about a century and a half before I was born.
@ Hot Water No, I don't have that problem. Never had a basement layout. I belong to a great club and have a wonderful wife supports my endeavor.
I am fortunate to belong to a good club that doesn't have the problems Lee (p51) listed. Unfortunately, my club is HO and N only. We wanted to start an O gauge division but have not been able to get the space for it so far. Fortunately, I like N scale as well as O gauge. Belonging to a good club with a great bunch of guys is so much fun, but there are clubs I would avoid like the plague.
No 3R club in my area. Sure wish there was.
I'd have HO at home and O at the club. Least that'd be the plan.
I did find a few guys who have 2R O Scale layouts in my area-I've been able to run a few of my items with them. Good time.
Actually, I think I enjoyed that more than I would a club.
No 3R club in my area. Sure wish there was.
I'd have HO at home and O at the club. Least that'd be the plan. .....
Me, too .... that's my plan.
When I am able to make the proper commitment, I'm going to see if the NJ Hi-Railers will take me in. What a bunch of nice guys at the Open House! I don't think there are any bad-attitude types there.
Have a great place to properly run my Y6b Mallet, etc .... and build a nice little HO thing at home.
Matt
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