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Here are mine.  Your milage may vary.

 

 

 

  10.  You get to make new friends that share your interest in model railroading.
 
    9.  You broaden your carpentry, electrical and scenery making skills.
 
    8.  You learn the value of working together as a team. 
 
    7.  You get to run on a larger layout than you could ever fit in your basement, attic or garage.
 
    6.  You get to run really long trains 40, 50, 60 or more cars because of #7 above.
 
    5.  You learn a lot about how real railroads operate.
 
    4.  You can enjoy watching other guys running other roads w/o having to purchase those locomotives and cars.
 
    3.  You get to hear ALL the good questions that were mentioned in a previous thread.
 
    2.  You can get enjoy breakfast, lunch and/or dinner with your train bud's.
 
    And the top reason for joining a modular train club is:
 
    1. If you are lucky enough (like myself and 16 others) to find a permanent home you eliminate the time and expense of traveling, setting up, debugging problems, repairing items damaged during transport and spend a LOT more time just RUNNING TRAINS.
 
 
    

 

 
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I would also add the following:

 

1.  You get to see the joy in people's faces when they come up to your layout

2.  You might meet a fellow club member who can fix/upgrade engines and rolling stock (and not have to send them out for fixing)

3.  You can learn from other members how to maintain/fix engines and rolling stock and broaden your knowledge of how they work

Originally Posted by TrainHead:

I agree with all of your points BUT here is what you need to have a successful a group:

 

Reliable and dedicated members

Time

Funding source

A place to store on work on the modules

A means to transport the modules

 

Can anyone think of any other concerns?

 

 

TrainHead,

 

I agree with your concerns.  Our group has many dedicated members who have time to go to shows around Austin throughout the year.

 

As for the other three concerns you listed, we fund our club mainly through dues and having a Holiday setup in Round Rock starting after Thanksgiving where we "rent" out trains to kids for 5-10 minute time periods.  We've found that once the word is out that we are open, we have lots of kids (and parents) coming in to run our trains and the money we make will sufficiently fund us for the year (in addition to the money we make for running at other shows).  For most of the open periods, we are consistently renting all 4 tracks at the same time, so the funds add up.  We also try to have a raffle people can buy tickets for (which we award right before Christmas). 

 

We have two trailers we store our modules in and they are stored up on the Austin and Texas Central RR grounds.  Members of the club driver the trailer to shows and are reimbursed for their gas.  When we work on the modules, we take the trailer to a member's home where we pull out the ones we want to work on.

Originally Posted by SantaFeJim:

Here are mine.  Your milage may vary.

It might, indeed. In the 90s, I was a founding member of a HO module group in Florida. Worst experience ever, so much so it drove me from the hobby for several years.

 

So , based on my experiences, I pose ten reason not to join a module group:

  

 

  10.  You have to deal with people who want everything their way and will go out of their way to make sure that happens, regardless what everyone else wants (and they probably own the corner modules).
 
    9.  You get to listen to other members tell you that your carpentry, electrical and scenery making skills suck royally.
 
    8.  You learn how a team can often never come to a consensus on anything, and that a small 'chosen few' can enforce their will on the rest of the group. 
 
    7.  You get to run on a large layout... in a loop. No realistic operations, just run a train in a loop for an hour, then someone says, "Hey, let's run my consist in a loop now!" It soon gets as interesting as watching paint dry.
 
    6.  You get to run really long trains, until someone whines like a schoolgirl that they never get to run their trains, so your stuff gets yanked after 5 minutes.
 
    5.  You learn nothing about how real railroads operate because other than amusement parks, no railroad ever runs in an eternal loop (and never stops for anything other than swapping out rolling stock because everyone else is bored).
 
    4.  You have to watch only the equipment owned by the biggest whiners (or the guys in the 'inside circle") run and never yours. They also tell you how much more awesome their stuff is than anything you own.
 
    3.  You get to hear the most bone-headed questions ever from the public.
 
    2.  You can have to endure breakfast, lunch and/or dinner with the local mouth-breather, slack-jawed, a-hole foamer types who have zero social graces or awareness of personal hygiene.
 
    And the top reason for never joining a modular train club is:
 
    1. You devote all you time, effort and money into a module that isn't quite what you wanted, running equipment you don't like very much, dealing with the worst of humanity and egos the size of small planets, all while enduring condescending attitudes from people you'd really love to hit over the head with an anvil. Then, the day comes where it dawns on you that you could build you own small layout at home, have it just like you wanted and have a blast running your own trains instead.
Originally Posted by SantaFeJim:

Here are mine.  Your milage may vary.

 

 

 

  10.  You get to make new friends that share your interest in model railroading.
 
    9.  You broaden your carpentry, electrical and scenery making skills.
 
    8.  You learn the value of working together as a team. 
 
    7.  You get to run on a larger layout than you could ever fit in your basement, attic or garage.
 
    6.  You get to run really long trains 40, 50, 60 or more cars because of #7 above.
 
    5.  You learn a lot about how real railroads operate.
 
    4.  You can enjoy watching other guys running other roads w/o having to purchase those locomotives and cars.
 
    3.  You get to hear ALL the good questions that were mentioned in a previous thread.
 
    2.  You can get enjoy breakfast, lunch and/or dinner with your train bud's.
 
    And the top reason for joining a modular train club is:
 
    1. If you are lucky enough (like myself and 16 others) to find a permanent home you eliminate the time and expense of traveling, setting up, debugging problems, repairing items damaged during transport and spend a LOT more time just RUNNING TRAINS.
 
 
    

 

 

Your list as well as Allan's additions are right on. The only change I would make is to take the word "modular" out of your description. These are benefits of belonging to any club, modular or permanent. 

Originally Posted by p51:
 

So , based on my experiences, I pose ten reason not to join a module group:

 

    And the top reason for never joining a modular train club is:
 
    1. You devote all you time, effort and money into a module that isn't quite what you wanted, running equipment you don't like very much, dealing with the worst of humanity and egos the size of small planets, all while enduring condescending attitudes from people you'd really love to hit over the head with an anvil. Then, the day comes where it dawns on you that you could build you own small layout at home, have it just like you wanted and have a blast running your own trains instead.

 

 

 

Grinch

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I'm not a club exists in Central PA that runs DCS.   I personally think it's cool when a group of people on this forum get together and operate on a personal layout.   Currently, I only have two friends that even like to operate trains.  One lives too far away and the other is an HO guy.  I'm going to buy a couple of HO trains to run on his layout when it's complete.

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by p51:

So , based on my experiences, I pose ten reason not to join a module group:

WOW!  You want some cheese with that whine?

From P5 past experiences he has some very good points to consider and I believe he should not be mocked. I can see how many of these points are probably valid.  In life, you meet a lot of control artist and clicks are common.....especially when dealing with old men.

I knew my response wouldn't be popular. But I know plenty of people who've had bad experiences with modular clubs, in various scales and parts of the country.

If you like the "Indy 500 with flanged wheels and ignore any concept of realistic operation" feel of many (most, in my experience) modular clubs, then go for it. That does have an appeal for some folks in the hobby.

But it isn't the end-all, be-all experience for everyone that some would lead you to believe. Sure, there are some decent groups out there, I'm willing to accept, but I've found the effort, time and money was best invested into a small layout of my own, a decision that is made often by former module club members.

if you like doing everything by committee and letting a small core of 'chosen few' make all the decisions for you, then it might be a good fit for you.

I recently joined my first club.  They have a permanent large layout that all members have access to.  Allows me to run my trains when I want, while I find room for my own layout. Plus,  get to run them on a layout bigger than I will ever have.

Their mobile layout is a trailer that looks like a caboose. Most of our festivals in this area are outdoors,  so you show up, raise the sides, plug it in and let the kids enjoy running the trains. It minimizes setup and storage issues.  Funding is by dues and train set raffle tickets.

Lee,

It seems obvious from your original post that you had a bad experience with a club. I understand that the items you mentioned could and do happen. Whenever you get different people together, you have to deal with personalities. I'm glad to say that my experience has been quite different. I have been a member of a club for over 25 years. My experiences have been positive for the most part. There is a lot to be gained by being a member of a well run club. 

 

PS. The Grinch thing was tongue in cheek. Nothing personal intended. 

Originally Posted by Pat Kn:

Lee,

It seems obvious from your original post that you had a bad experience with a club. I understand that the items you mentioned could and do happen. Whenever you get different people together, you have to deal with personalities. I'm glad to say that my experience has been quite different. I have been a member of a club for over 25 years. My experiences have been positive for the most part. There is a lot to be gained by being a member of a well run club. 

 

PS. The Grinch thing was tongue in cheek. Nothing personal intended. 

I assume that you are talking about a different Lee, as there are 2 of us who have posted on this topic.

I have not not had a negative experience  just I have not found an O gauge club near me.

 

Any way I am working on my layout at the house and will have my own little room or world for trains. Have most of the lighting done and over half the display shelves hung too. Finished the top of the room track too and able to run a short train up there.

 

Lee Fritz

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I like all the reasons listed (for and against), and I think I can relate to both sides presented to an extent.

 

If I had to rely on the modular club as the only time I could run my trains, this hobby would not be too appealing to me. Our club only does a half dozen shows a year, so the run time would be seriously limited. But using the club as a reason to get out and talk to other train guys and talk to the public about trains adds another layer to the hobby that I would not be able to experience tucked away in my basement.

 

Logically it doesn't make sense to me to belong to a modular club. You spend 2 or 3 hours setting up the tables and an hour or two tearing them down so you can run trains for maybe 3 hours over the course of a typical weekend. That's to say nothing about the time and expense in building the modules that likely will not be used for anything but the club. Or the time spent getting to and from the various venues the layout is set up at.

 

I don't plan on quitting anytime soon though; there's worse ways to kill a weekend than playing with trains on a huge layout.

 

J White

 

Originally Posted by j white:

You spend 2 or 3 hours setting up the tables and an hour or two tearing them down so you can run trains for maybe 3 hours over the course of a typical weekend.

Not to mention the all the time tinkering time you have to spend wondering why one module (often, the same one) isn't allowing a continuous contact or has a short nobody can find.

Not naming places or dates, but I knew of a module group that'd go to shows and I swear, they spent the vast majority of all the time at the show during public hours trying to diagnose a (I hope) new electrical or DCC problem each time.

If you can find a bunch of like minded people who you can work with to build something awesome, then by all means, do it. I did exactly that for 14 years with guys like Hot Water and SanatFe Jim.

But Lee has some real points too. Some of the things he mentioned were the very things that finally blew-up our group. So don't take what you have for granted if you're lucky enough to have found a group that can play well together. You don't know what you've got till it's gone.

Hopefully I'll be able to get over to Griffith and see you guys soon.

- RICH

I am fortunate to belong to a good club that doesn't have the problems Lee (p51) listed. Unfortunately, my club is HO and N only. We wanted to start an O gauge division but have not been able to get the space for it so far. Fortunately, I like N scale as well as O gauge. Belonging to a good club with a great bunch of guys is so much fun, but there are clubs I would avoid like the plague. 

Originally Posted by 86TA355SR:

No 3R club in my area.  Sure wish there was.  

 

I'd have HO at home and O at the club.  Least that'd be the plan. .....

Me, too .... that's my plan.

 

When I am able to make the proper commitment, I'm going to see if the NJ Hi-Railers will take me in. What a bunch of nice guys at the Open House! I don't think there are any bad-attitude types there.

 

Have a great place to properly run my Y6b Mallet, etc .... and build a nice little HO thing at home.

 

Matt

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