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Thanks guys!

Mark - I only have a couple steam engines, and they will be attached to dedicated passenger excursion service and stored in the small hidden yard. The roundhouse will be all diesel and display of some MOW pieces. I envision it to be much like the BNSF roundhouse in Grand Forks, ND.

Here are some engines parked on the garden tracks. They are very active. Every time we drove by, there were different pieces, and we went by a lot because it is on one of the main east west streets.

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You can kind of see the turntable here. Some interesting MOW pieces caught my eye.

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This was as close as I could get, though I doubt anyone would have cared if I got right in there, but it is well posted.

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Paul - I see you are a night owl like me. 3 AM!!! Nice.

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Big_Boy_4005 posted:

Thanks guys!

Mark - I only have a couple steam engines, and they will be attached to dedicated passenger excursion service and stored in the small hidden yard. The roundhouse will be all diesel and display of some MOW pieces. I envision it to be much like the BNSF roundhouse in Grand Forks, ND.

Here are some engines parked on the garden tracks. They are very active. Every time we drove by, there were different pieces, and we went by a lot because it is on one of the main east west streets.

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You can kind of see the turntable here. Some interesting MOW pieces caught my eye.

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This was as close as I could get, though I doubt anyone would have cared if I got right in there, but it is well posted.

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Paul - I see you are a night owl like me. 3 AM!!! Nice.

Elliot, I know I am a day late and a comment short. But things are looking wonderful! I really like the idea of the turntable and service yard in the middle of then Helix! What a great idea for use of that space!

Also thank you for the pictures! Makes me want to get a TT one day!

Nothing special, I just fired up the DCC and ran a locomotive from each end of the layout to other, then return. Just polishing the rails in the best way; with trains!

Every couple of days or so, I'll walk into the layout room, sit on a stool and just look at everything for a minute or two. My layout is hardly massive, but it's the theme for a layout I've wanted ever since I was a kid (almost 2 decades before anyone made the prototype I wanted in any scale). I'd wanted this since I was very little. Now I finally have the layout, and one that I feel very good about.

I've yet to get over that feeling, and I never want to.

p51 posted:

Nothing special, I just fired up the DCC and ran a locomotive from each end of the layout to other, then return. Just polishing the rails in the best way; with trains!

Every couple of days or so, I'll walk into the layout room, sit on a stool and just look at everything for a minute or two. My layout is hardly massive, but it's the theme for a layout I've wanted ever since I was a kid (almost 2 decades before anyone made the prototype I wanted in any scale). I'd wanted this since I was very little. Now I finally have the layout, and one that I feel very good about.

I've yet to get over that feeling, and I never want to.

Lee, your the lucky one, I think everyone here want that feeling! I know I get a special feeling every time I complete a scratch build! I also hope that never goes away!

P.S. You do have one great looking layout!

p51 posted:

Nothing special, I just fired up the DCC and ran a locomotive from each end of the layout to other, then return. Just polishing the rails in the best way; with trains!

Every couple of days or so, I'll walk into the layout room, sit on a stool and just look at everything for a minute or two. My layout is hardly massive, but it's the theme for a layout I've wanted ever since I was a kid (almost 2 decades before anyone made the prototype I wanted in any scale). I'd wanted this since I was very little. Now I finally have the layout, and one that I feel very good about.

I've yet to get over that feeling, and I never want to.

I do this too.  Only usually longer.  Seems like I always end up putting in a new bush, tree, more snow, ice picks for the climbers, it’s always something. Sometimes I wonder why I can’t leave well enough alone.

TedW posted:
p51 posted:

Nothing special, I just fired up the DCC and ran a locomotive from each end of the layout to other, then return. Just polishing the rails in the best way; with trains!

Every couple of days or so, I'll walk into the layout room, sit on a stool and just look at everything for a minute or two. My layout is hardly massive, but it's the theme for a layout I've wanted ever since I was a kid (almost 2 decades before anyone made the prototype I wanted in any scale). I'd wanted this since I was very little. Now I finally have the layout, and one that I feel very good about.

I've yet to get over that feeling, and I never want to.

I do this too.  Only usually longer.  Seems like I always end up putting in a new bush, tree, more snow, ice picks for the climbers, it’s always something. Sometimes I wonder why I can’t leave well enough alone.

Ted- Because a layout is never "done". We may "finish" stuff but that only leads to the next project.

Bob

Brian, I really like the bridge. The distance between is 26 1/4 inches. I measured that from the scenery at the base of the abutments. Both furnace and a hot water tank will fit between them. I got the first piece of plywood cut and set in place. I have to scribe some lines to show where the frame is underneath so I can screw it down. Also live and learn. The black wash did not work too well. I think it is because I tried it over Latex paint. So I'll try a wet paper towel to get some of it off. Right now I have to run out and get bags for my dirt devil. I have quite a accumulation of sawdust which I am started to track upstairs and I do not want to rile the CEO this close to Christmas. So I  have to vacuum before going further. Pics.....Paul 

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TedW posted:
p51 posted:

Every couple of days or so, I'll walk into the layout room, sit on a stool and just look at everything for a minute or two. My layout is hardly massive, but it's the theme for a layout I've wanted ever since I was a kid (almost 2 decades before anyone made the prototype I wanted in any scale). I'd wanted this since I was very little. Now I finally have the layout, and one that I feel very good about.

I've yet to get over that feeling, and I never want to.

I do this too.  Only usually longer.  Seems like I always end up putting in a new bush, tree, more snow, ice picks for the climbers, it’s always something. Sometimes I wonder why I can’t leave well enough alone.

Yeah, me too. I didn't enjoy the build of the layout much when I was struggling with track, turnout controls and wiring. Some like that, but not me. Only once the scenery started look like something real, did I start to truly enjoy what came next. Now, I'm all about detailing the layout and I won't stop making things look as accurate for the 1940s in 1/48 scale as I can!

mike g. posted:

Lee, your the lucky one, I think everyone here want that feeling! I know I get a special feeling every time I complete a scratch build! I also hope that never goes away!

P.S. You do have one great looking layout!

Thanks, Mike, for the kind words (as usual). I'm not big of patting myself on the back, but I must admit I was very pleasantly surprised when I started putting photos of the layout out there and finding out people liked it. You just never know until someone sees it. That op session day I had last month, I loved the looks on people's faces when they walked into the room and saw things for the first time (I don't think any of them knew about the layout ahead of time).

A layout is like a dynamic work of art. Visiting it, tinkering with it, just being in the presence of it, can generate good feelings of satisfaction and accomplishment, and to admire its beauty. 

What I find really cool is that we model railroaders see beauty in things others can't see: a weathered locomotive on an industrial siding, a long string of oil tanker cars or coal cars (especially if we can smell the oil or coal) pulled by a GG1, ballast between the rails and railroad ties, weeds and trash along a right of way, etc.

I remember taking a walk with my son (when he was 13) and he was mortified when I started filling my pockets with tiny pebbles, just the right size to be ballast for my traditional O Gauge Lionel track. Fortunately, no one saw us so he wasn't too embarrassed.

A train layout can also be therapeutic, even medicinal, spiritual, and vital for our well being.

I remember seeing a train video with an elderly model railroader. He had lost his wife and may have been a retired physician. He explained that building his layout with the help of his friends after losing his wife was tremendously beneficial to him. What I remember about his layout was a steam boat moving up a river, and an early 50s NY Central F3 diesel (A-B-A) pulling many train cars along the river.

For me, the trains have given me great relief (a heavenly escape) at times, especially in the past, when my career as a lawyer was most stressful. My layout has been a man cave to mull things over before talking about them. It has been a place for creativity, and to connect with the child within. It has been a place to experience and remember good times with parents, with young and adult children, with grandchildren, and with friends.

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

 

 

I took the sheet of buffalo board that will go on top of the plywood, and proceeded to try and remember" high school geometry".

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Armed with my tape measure, my trusty straight edge / compass ( a 6' piece of perforated metal strap) and a black Sharpie, I laid out the center of the turntable and the proper position for the roundhouse.

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Then I cut out the opening. The hole in the plywood deck will be round.

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There is a very good chance that all of the backdrop, fascia, benchwork and track will be done by the end of the year!

Ah, now I remember those high school debates on whether we'd ever use this"stuff" when we got out of school.  I was one of the lucky ones who liked geometry & trig.  Apparently you remembered as well!  Happy Thanksgiving and be well.

John,

The bridge, prints, and room look great!!  I'm glad you are getting your son to help.  My dad was never interested in trains, but I was around him whenever he was doing anything around the house.  So when it came time to build my first model railroad at about age 12, I knew how to use all the tools.  Too bad my skills have deteriorated in the last few years, and now I am about as skilled as I was at age 12!    Keep up the good work with your son!!

I can see why Mitch says he has potential!!  

Got my C&O 624 NW2 switcher out and running.  The E unit is going to need a shot of TV tuner cleaner.  TX SP F3 2245 out and made some loops.  Went to auto store to get a tube of Lucas Red and Tacky 2 for loco lube.  And went to Ace Electronics on Antione and 34TH plus Harbor Freight to get some wiring equipment.  Note:  NO ROPE FOR LASH UPS! (Locations are in Houston TX.)

MIKE G, I was able to wipe off the black. The wash will not work. The mortar lines are not deep enough to hold the thin wash. I am thinking of maybe spackling and mix some paint into it and rub it on. I just got the first and second pieces of the table top screwed down. All I have left to do is cut the contour line. Maybe I can get that done after dinner. Maybe if the wife has a basketball game tonight I can start to lay down Styrofoam on the right side of the table. Going to make a tall hill from back to front wrapping it around the wood frame there. Pics..........Paul

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Wow, Big Boy 4005, Elliott, you are one super fast worker! I agree on most everything your doing, Helixes, lots of trackage, great construction, and being able to use your mathematical skills for your Roundhouse/Turntable area. I would recommend you sell the Bowser TT And upgrade immediately to a Millhouse 24 or 28 inch fully indexed and weathered System. I have the Bowser 32 inch System, it’s impossible to make it index properly. The Millhouse System is dead on target, no matter what the weight of the engine is.  This is my only suggestion. If they had been available during my build, it would have been installed. My turntable has been upgraded with scale rail, ball bearing Bogies, a solid 1/2 inch welded ballbearing shaft...Still, even with a NYRS PTC 3 indexing System with a heavy duty stepper motor, not always accurate...In fact, the turntable area will Be your greatest focal point....See picture of my Bowser, then a Millhouse.8D8A0B7F-7FF1-466E-917B-22BF200CF5897D4B82EB-8CBA-494B-8FBC-0ACB3B4C74E69F611C6D-F55E-4359-A723-EC2D2E697C8F3168EA69-74A0-4306-BEA5-95C179A458A9EC206DE8-1DB1-48B0-86FC-C907DC426AD9

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decoynh posted:
Big_Boy_4005 posted:

 

 

I took the sheet of buffalo board that will go on top of the plywood, and proceeded to try and remember" high school geometry".

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Armed with my tape measure, my trusty straight edge / compass ( a 6' piece of perforated metal strap) and a black Sharpie, I laid out the center of the turntable and the proper position for the roundhouse.

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Then I cut out the opening. The hole in the plywood deck will be round.

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There is a very good chance that all of the backdrop, fascia, benchwork and track will be done by the end of the year!

Ah, now I remember those high school debates on whether we'd ever use this"stuff" when we got out of school.  I was one of the lucky ones who liked geometry & trig.  Apparently you remembered as well!  Happy Thanksgiving and be well.

Thanks Matt. Geometry was one of my favorite classes, and it was the last math I got good grades in. I roll my eyes when the younger generation says "why do I need to know that?" I was so, so at trig, and calc kicked my butt. Didn't help that it was at 8 AM my freshman year of college. Guess I wasn't supposed to be an engineer.

I had to work backwards from the roundhouse, by marking the centers of the back wall of each stall, and the door centers, then drawing a line through the marks. As you can see, I guessed wrong the first time out, and had to move the turntable over 5" to the point where the 3 lines intersected, which of course was the center. I don't remember learning that exact problem in class, but I would have liked geometry even more if it was in the textbook.

Took ownership of a new Weaver two bay hopper in Pennsylvania livery today ... via e bay.  Added some weights and a coal load and cut it into one my freight trains.  Runs great and looks great!  Next step will be to weather this car. 

I also checked street and fence lights, some of which are battery operated.  As I'm sure to have more folks visit the layout during the holiday season, I wanted to make sure all lights worked and install fresh batteries where needed.  Also checked and fixed some of my transformer powered lighting as well.  

Spent a bit of time organizing the train room as well.  

 

p51 posted:

Nothing special, I just fired up the DCC and ran a locomotive from each end of the layout to other, then return. Just polishing the rails in the best way; with trains!

Every couple of days or so, I'll walk into the layout room, sit on a stool and just look at everything for a minute or two. My layout is hardly massive, but it's the theme for a layout I've wanted ever since I was a kid (almost 2 decades before anyone made the prototype I wanted in any scale). I'd wanted this since I was very little. Now I finally have the layout, and one that I feel very good about.

I've yet to get over that feeling, and I never want to.

a dream come true!

leapinlarry posted:

Wow, Big Boy 4005, Elliott, you are one super fast worker! I agree on most everything your doing, Helixes, lots of trackage, great construction, and being able to use your mathematical skills for your Roundhouse/Turntable area. I would recommend you sell the Bowser TT And upgrade immediately to a Millhouse 24 or 28 inch fully indexed and weathered System. I have the Bowser 32 inch System, it’s impossible to make it index properly. The Millhouse System is dead on target, no matter what the weight of the engine is.  This is my only suggestion. If they had been available during my build, it would have been installed. My turntable has been upgraded with scale rail, ball bearing Bogies, a solid 1/2 inch welded ballbearing shaft...Still, even with a NYRS PTC 3 indexing System with a heavy duty stepper motor, not always accurate...In fact, the turntable area will Be your greatest focal point....See picture of my Bowser, then a Millhouse.8D8A0B7F-7FF1-466E-917B-22BF200CF5897D4B82EB-8CBA-494B-8FBC-0ACB3B4C74E69F611C6D-F55E-4359-A723-EC2D2E697C8F3168EA69-74A0-4306-BEA5-95C179A458A9EC206DE8-1DB1-48B0-86FC-C907DC426AD9

Thanks Larry, but as nice as the Millhouse is, I'm going to stick with the old Bowser. This is mostly for looks anyway. It is not something that I plan to use on a regular basis. There will be a track connection to it, but it is going to be steep and twisted. this was never in the original plan, a total after thought. There are a lot more important projects right now. Maybe sometime in the future.

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Elliot,

An excellent prototype for inspiration in Grand Forks!!  That will turn out great!!  I'll like to see a photograph of your steam excursion someday!!  

Well Mark, my Milwaukee Road 261 and the 21" K-line cars are still packed away. The UP 3985 is gathering dust on the layout awaiting the new Lionel UP excursion set (and the theater car). In lieu of model pics, I have some of the real thing. It's where I get my inspiration.

These first two were taken at Hastings, MN

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Here she is heading north along the Mississippi on the CP main south of Red Wing.

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This was Tammy's first train ride shortly after we met.

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I spent much of that trip in the vestibule hanging out the window, collecting cinders in my hair.  I had wanted to use this picture as my forum avatar, but Rich nixed it twice before I bought a clue.

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3985 has come to town a few times.

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The Empress even came to town, so I bought the Weaver model.

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The cleaned-up American Flyer loco is now on display at the J. Reilly McCarren Museum in Springdale, Arkansas...

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Apologies for the extreme telephoto, but when you have a museum consisting of two large rooms, and one of the large rooms is having the rotted floor replaced with a concrete slab, well... 

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On the way home, I saw some ditch lights down the track and investigated.  While the Arkansas and Missouri is no longer "All Alco, All The Time", it's still a dandy spot to catch the odd Century or two plying their trade... 

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In this case, it's a feed train for George's Chickens... 

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Big_Boy_4005 posted:
decoynh posted:
Big_Boy_4005 posted:

 

 

I took the sheet of buffalo board that will go on top of the plywood, and proceeded to try and remember" high school geometry".

IMG_7766

Armed with my tape measure, my trusty straight edge / compass ( a 6' piece of perforated metal strap) and a black Sharpie, I laid out the center of the turntable and the proper position for the roundhouse.

IMG_7767

Then I cut out the opening. The hole in the plywood deck will be round.

IMG_7768

There is a very good chance that all of the backdrop, fascia, benchwork and track will be done by the end of the year!

Ah, now I remember those high school debates on whether we'd ever use this"stuff" when we got out of school.  I was one of the lucky ones who liked geometry & trig.  Apparently you remembered as well!  Happy Thanksgiving and be well.

Thanks Matt. Geometry was one of my favorite classes, and it was the last math I got good grades in. I roll my eyes when the younger generation says "why do I need to know that?" I was so, so at trig, and calc kicked my butt. Didn't help that it was at 8 AM my freshman year of college. Guess I wasn't supposed to be an engineer.

I had to work backwards from the roundhouse, by marking the centers of the back wall of each stall, and the door centers, then drawing a line through the marks. As you can see, I guessed wrong the first time out, and had to move the turntable over 5" to the point where the 3 lines intersected, which of course was the center. I don't remember learning that exact problem in class, but I would have liked geometry even more if it was in the textbook.

You may not be an "Engineer" but you definitely applied common sense to your layout.

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