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Why do some layouts not need to add a ground plane?

 

Some layout room’s environments provide an adequate ground plane for the layout.

For example my room is in the basement and was specifically built with the layout in mind with the grounded AC wall outlet wiring completely circling the room.

Also in the ceiling is the furnace duct system that runs the full length of the room as does the house wiring, water pipes and gas pipe all grounded.

And the ceiling is a suspended tile grid with track lighting that is all earth grounded too.

 

However, my layout is a worst case scenario for potential signal issues with lots of ladder tracks and several over under track bridges and tunnels.

My layout is also a TWO rail system so the TMCC signal enhancing capacitor coupling to both rails was needed to prevent the loco from loosing the signal when turned 180 degrees on the tracks.  And I have never had a signal issue with the tunnels and bridges etc.

 

But I just realized I had inadvertently made a built in ground plane in the bench work with my block signal system’s wiring.

It uses a Plus and Minus 12 volt DC power supply and the +/- common is GROUNDED.

It runs all over the layout feeding the block detectors and block aspect signals.

So it is also a Ground Plane for the TMCC signal.

 

So this principal could be also used with scenery building lighting etc.

Just use a separate supply or transformer that has one output grounded or capacitor coupled to ground and distribute over the layout for your scenery use and future use.

BE SURE that the transformer is in phase so the AC neutral input is phased with it’s output that you have grounded.   

 

Just a thought.

 

 Carl

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John,

 

There are many types of DC wall warts, switched DC, filtered DC fullwave and half wave for example. Each would nhave to be tested to see if grounding one leg of the output will cause a problem.

 

The DC wall warts I have tested seem to be un-phased with the input AC so grounding one leg should not be an issue if the wall wart tests ok.

 

To test the phase of DC wall warts measure the AC voltage from each output to the AC ground pin of the outlet strip it is plugged into. It should measure only a few millivolts on each output (+ and -). If it does measure more than that, say a volt or more then, that is the output leg that you DO NOT want to ground.

 

AC wall warts and transformers are tested the same way but you will find there is one output leg that is one volt AC or higher measured to ground. You want to ground the leg that is only a few millivolts measure to the AC ground pin of the power strip.

 

Wall warts that have a ground pin on the AC plug will normaly have one output leg connected to the ground pin. The AC wall wart for the Lionel command bases are wired this way.  

 

In any case you want to test the power supply for a while with one leg grounded to be sure that there is no overheating.

 

My supply that I use is a Triplite DC supply that is factory wired with the commmon at ground potential.

 

Carl

 

 

We have a fairly large and complex layout. Our layout is approximately 30 x 20 with 35 switches, sidings, over/under and hidden trackage with some areas having six to eight tracks in close proximity. We have not needed to install ground planes and we have few, if any, signal issues. 

 

We do not use any metal in construction of the layout whatsoever except for benchwork screws. All scenery materials are non-metallic. We keep our track scrupulously clean. When we did have signal issues, dirty track was the cause.

 

We have upgraded to Lionel Legacy 1.5 and since that upgrade our signal strength has gone from good to exceptional.

 

When we finished our basement we stressed to the electrician that all circuits be carefully grounded. We explained to him why this was so important. This may be the most important factor.

 

Scrappy

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