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Three cheers: I now have a working Baby Blue Comet!!!!

 

Since my travails are scattered across my many rambling posts  it seemed best to just mention this in one separate posting instead of all of within all of those other ones.

 

thanks for listening to all of my wailings!!

 

BUT WAIT: I might not be done quite yet!!  I have another PS3 on order, the new Christmas freight set, so there's still a possibility for more blabber .  That black cloud may or may not still be up there somewhere!

 

- walt

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(I have edited this to remove a 'snipey' type comment.)

 

It's in the 2013 tin plate catalog, page 6.

 

11-5509-1.  Red engine, striped tanker, green hopper, red caboose.

 

I was 'promised' to have it in my hands by Al at York by last week.  Not here yet so  I will call Friday if I don't have it yet.  His "promise" (OK, maybe a strong word but it is one that he himself used) is THE sole reason that I agreed to a pre-order with him.  I have 28 people coming to the house for a 'train party' on Dec. 7 and I told him that, but he stuck to his "promise".  But as I read thru the posts below, I see that not all dealers have that set in stock yet.  Some, yes.  Some, no.  But he claimed that his was en route.

 

I will be more patient and wait until Nov. 22 to call.  But I'm nervous.  I asked Jim to test it first because I won't have time to go thru what we went thru with the Blue Comet set.

 

- walt

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Walt,

Relax a bit.. Jason's trains just got the set today on his pallet. I should be receiving mine in a few days. I'm sure you'll be getting yours any day now from Sidetrack. Your comment with "Nope!" makes it sound like you poking Al and his staff in their chest. Really? I don't think that they would appreciate it if they read your post. Consider yourself lucky that Sidetrack went above and beyond in resolving your issue with the Blue Comet. Many dealers would have redirected you to MTH.

 

Sunrise

I don't buy new stuff, however I read the postings here, and I must say that the post below strikes me as a being a bit of a snipe in itself.
 
I'm not sure when things got so turned about that a consumer must be thankful, or as you put it "consider yourself lucky" that a retailer took care of a problem. That seems like the tail wagging the dog, if you ask me.
 
That's part of the problem these days with the hobby. This stuff is made overseas with minimal quality control, and no one wants to be accountable for problems. I guess I get it, considering the number of problems and issues that forum members routinely post. But telling a consumer that they should be thankful that they got good service is just ludicrous. Does that not strike you as being even remotely wrong?
 
The captive audience that the repro tinplate market has lends itself to being subject to the "You're lucky to even buy this from me" mentality. I see it in the writings of forum members, waiting in earnest for their new trains, the continual delays, and subsequent quality issues that invariably show up.
 
You, the retailers, should be screaming to Mike Wolf that these issues are intolerable. As for the purchasers, just quit buying it, and they'll figure it out.
 
Originally Posted by Sunrise Special:

Walt,

Relax a bit.. Jason's trains just got the set today on his pallet. I should be receiving mine in a few days. I'm sure you'll be getting yours any day now from Sidetrack. Your comment with "Nope!" makes it sound like you poking Al and his staff in their chest. Really? I don't think that they would appreciate it if they read your post. Consider yourself lucky that Sidetrack went above and beyond in resolving your issue with the Blue Comet. Many dealers would have redirected you to MTH.

 

Sunrise

 

If a dealer will not exchange a new item because of a defect and refer you to MTH; "Find another dealer"  It's called customer service and if a dealer doesn't want to make good on a legitimate claim then there are plenty of other dealers including on line dealers that will be willing to take your money. It's a 2 way street. Customer service =  customer loyalty!

I agree 100%. I'm old enough to remember buying trains from a local store and having a guy in an apron working on them. Sometimes I think it was better then.
 
Originally Posted by Chris Lonero:

If a dealer will not exchange a new item because of a defect and refer you to MTH; "Find another dealer"  It's called customer service and if a dealer doesn't want to make good on a legitimate claim then there are plenty of other dealers including on line dealers that will be willing to take your money. It's a 2 way street. Customer service =  customer loyalty!

 

I look at buying a new train like buying a new car. I don't expect my car or train dealer to replace a product as soon as I get it.

 

There is another way to deal with a manufacturing defect.

 

I bought a new LCT 256 from Sidetrack Hobbies a couple of months ago. It was my first new MTH product that didn't run well out of the box. There was a problem with a gear on one one of the motors. I didn't even call Sidetrack. I took it to Bob Barth along with my receipt. Bob machined a little extra material off of the gear and I had my engine back within a week. No shipping charges and $0 cost.

 

I got my engine fixed for free, Bob got paid by MTH and no headaches for Al and Libby. Everyone is happy.

 

 

People here need to keep in mind that the majority of dealers don't have stockpiles of tinplate items to the point where they can easily exchange one item for another.  Tinplate is a small niche, and the dealers customarily order what has been preordered with them or what they feel they can reasonably sell.  Furthermore, these items are often made in very small numbers, so replacements may not even be available at the manufacturer level by the time a problem is discovered.

 

Returning non-working items directly to the manufacturer is the norm with a great many electronic/electrical devices these days.  Check the paperwork that comes packed with items purchased just about anywhere and many or most times you'll see a notification that the item should not be returned to the point of purchase and that you should contact the manufacturer directly if there is a problem.

 

As far as tinplate is concerned--a small niche within a small niche--you would be hard-pressed to find a dealer better stocked than Sidetrack.  Excellent inventory and great folks to deal with, and I know that from personal experience.

 

And when it comes to receiving recently released items, people really do need to learn to exercise a bit of patience.  Not every dealer can be expected to receive new items at the same time.  If a dealer is awaiting the arrival of an item you ordered from him, you'll get it.

Allan, I can't remember the last time I had to send anything, electronic, or otherwise, to a manufacturer for repair. I've taken things back and had them replaced. Most retailers will do that. Most local hardware stores will do that. Never really had that problem.
 
However, I do understand what you're stating about the amount of product a LHS can reasonably stock and sell. I realize that the LHS or internet store is kinda stuck in the middle. My point seems to be missed.
 
It seems that in this modern tinplate niche (I don't follow modern trains, so I don't know of their issues, if any), there is overcommitment and a lack of performance on MTH's part.
 
I have said this before. You guys seem to wait for years for a product, then get the piece, and then have any type of issues with it, and have problems getting the issues resolved. Yet you keep coming back to the same trough, and expect something different. That's really not my business, I know, but it's a repetitive story, well documented here.
 
All I am saying is that it seems as if buyers have been trained over the years to expect this, and the hobby shops have also learned to accept this, and deal with it as they need to.
 
I'm not advocating a return for every little issue, but if there's a problem, the retailer does have some sort of responsibility to the sale. No one here expects for an automobile dealership to take a car back that has minor issues, but no one expects that the car needs returned to GM for a loose piece of trim, either.
 
Also, I am the first to admit that any modern tinplate I have had over the years has been fine. Two Classics Hiawathas, standard gauge Hiawatha, and the Lionel Prewar Celebration Red Comet all have been fine. Of course I had to flip the stack around on the red comet. But I may just have been lucky. At this point, the red comet is all I own in modern stuff, but I could see myself with a standard gauge Commodore set at some point.
 
Originally Posted by Allan Miller:

 

Returning non-working items directly to the manufacturer is the norm with a great many electronic/electrical devices these days.  Check the paperwork that comes packed with items purchased just about anywhere and many or most times you'll see a notification that the item should not be returned to the point of purchase and that you should contact the manufacturer directly if there is a problem.

 

As far as tinplate is concerned--a small niche within a small niche--you would be hard-pressed to find a dealer better stocked than Sidetrack.  Excellent inventory and great folks to deal with, and I know that from personal experience.

 

And when it comes to receiving recently released items, people really do need to learn to exercise a bit of patience.  Not every dealer can be expected to receive new items at the same time.  If a dealer is awaiting the arrival of an item you ordered from him, you'll get it.

 

Well, I owe some replies to replies

 

Pictures: they'll be coming.  Still building it.

 

My "NOPE" comment wasn't meant as a snipe for heaven's sake.  I'll edit it to reflect what I was thinking, but thanks for pointing out that it COULD be taken that way.

 

And Wurlitzer and Sunrise, thanks for letting me know that some dealers have the set and some don't.  Al, at York, called his shop and whoever answered checked and said the item was en route - that's why he promised a 2 to 3 week delivery time.  My issue is that I have 28 people coming to my house on Dec. 7 and have only the one train as of now.  His promise was THE single most important reason why I agreed to pre-order with them.

 

Chris' comment about service = loyalty is on spot with me.  I will stick with them since they have been so helpful.  Each time that I've dealt with them it's been with Jim and each time I compliment him on how helpful he is and has been and what a pleasure it is to work with someone like him.

 

I have 2 LHS where the owners would most likely treat me just as well and one not so much.  I want to support them since they are local, but Side-Track has been so  helpful and that is why Chris' comment hits home with me.

 

Thanks.  I will edit my original post.

 

- walt

Not sure why a few responders asked "where's the pictures", but since it was asked, I took these.  Excuse the section of the layout where these pictures were taken - it's a little extension where I parked my candy train, coal ramp/conveyor, and crane.  Not so pretty, but functional.

 

Thanks for all the encouragement and comments, both ways!

 

- walt

 

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I've been running it daily and have grown more confident with it each day.  I feel really good about it right now!  Thanks Side Track Hobbies for taking care of a very satisfied NEW customer!

 

As a side-note, and another hard gust of wind blowing that black cloud out of the picture: Side Track called last night and said my Christmas Freight set came in.  Jim said he'd test it first and then ship it right away!  Can't wait!

 

- walt

Originally Posted by AL CLAIR:

I think if the dealers selling the product would test the products for flaws before shipping to the customers would catch a lot problems. Yes it could delay, but you would not have to worry about problems.

Al

Al: I asked Jim at Side Track if he would test mine first and he agreed, especially after what he and I went thru together on my blue comet.

 

It's expected to arrive today.  YEAH!

 

- walt

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