A few weeks ago there was some noise that there was a steam up imminent for 1309. Anyone have any updates they can share about this restoration and where the new funding came from?
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J 611 posted:A few weeks ago there was some noise that there was a steam up imminent for 1309. Anyone have any updates they can share about this restoration and where the new funding came from?
Western Maryland Scenic Railroad • 1309 Steam Engine Restoration • C&O Left Service in 1957
1. Front of the boiler and the smokebox.
2. Journals to the axles need some work, after the inspection.
3. Axles were sent out for repairs.
4. Drive wheels.
5. The front flue sheet and the smokebox at the front of the locomotive.
Gary: Rail-fan
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The first photo and the last show the smokebox (technically not a part of the boiler, and, of course, at the front of the engine). You can see the steam pipes to the cylinders curving along the sides. Not sure what that second photo is, but it sure doesn't look like a journal.
Kelly Anderson posted:It's a little rusty...
LOL! I thought it was a rough casting!
I don't know who put the titles/descriptions on those photos, but they are not correct, in my opinion.
Hot Water posted:I don't know who put the titles/descriptions on those photos, but they are not correct, in my opinion.
Well, maybe No. 4 "Drive wheels" might be close, if not entirely accurate. But yeah, lot's of incorrect descriptions here...
Even though the captions might be a little off, I appreciate seeing the photos. My thanks to the Trainroomgary
I fixed the photo captions...
Glad to see that the drive wheels are back in West Virginia...and inside this time.
J 611 posted:trainroomgary posted:Western Maryland Scenic Railroad • 1309 Steam Engine Restoration • C&O Left Service in 1957
2. Journals to the axles need some work, after the inspection.
3. Axles were sent out for repairs.
4. Drive wheels.
Gary: Rail-fan
Glad to see that the drive wheels are back in West Virginia...and inside this time.
Those could be pretty old photos, as they do NOT look "repaired" to me. The crankpins don't look remachined nor replaced, and the axle journals are completely unprotected in those photos.
Hot Water posted:J 611 posted:Glad to see that the drive wheels are back in West Virginia...and inside this time.
Those could be pretty old photos, as they do NOT look "repaired" to me. The crankpins don't look remachined nor replaced, and the axle journals are completely unprotected in those photos.
I agree with Jack, if they were machined they wouldn't have surface rust on the crankpins. In fact, the tires that, to my knowledge, the SRC replaced and machined obviously have rust on them. I hope they won't have to be re-done due to being left outside.
PennsyPride94 posted:Hot Water posted:J 611 posted:Glad to see that the drive wheels are back in West Virginia...and inside this time.
Those could be pretty old photos, as they do NOT look "repaired" to me. The crankpins don't look remachined nor replaced, and the axle journals are completely unprotected in those photos.
I agree with Jack, if they were machined they wouldn't have surface rust on the crankpins. In fact, the tires that, to my knowledge, the SRC replaced and machined obviously have rust on them. I hope they won't have to be re-done due to being left outside.
Rust on the tires doesn't matter. To my knowledge, all the drive wheels are still at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum Shops for new crankpins and axle journal remachening/grinding.
Before they steam the Beast of the East up, she has to pass a hydro first?
Dominic Mazoch posted:Before they steam the Beast of the East up, she has to pass a hydro first?
Absolutely!
Gary: Rail-fan
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Hot Water posted:Dominic Mazoch posted:Before they steam the Beast of the East up, she has to pass a hydro first?
Absolutely!
I think they already have had a successful hydro test.
J 611 posted:Hot Water posted:Dominic Mazoch posted:Before they steam the Beast of the East up, she has to pass a hydro first?
Absolutely!
I think they already have had a successful hydro test.
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Way things are going, they’ll have to do another before 1309 actually runs. 
Farmer_Bill posted:Way things are going, they’ll have to do another before 1309 actually runs.
True, I really think WMSR picked the wrong locomotive to restore. The 1309 has been sitting outside for over half a century, and it wasn't really maintained well by the C&O in the first place. I think before they picked a locomotive to restore, they should've evaluated the condition to see if it would've been a good project for restoration. That or not restore another locomotive and instead get started on 734's FRA inspection and overhaul as soon as possible. Sure it will be cool to see an articulated locomotive on WMSR, but I'm not sure when or if that will happen. The WMSR needs our help for this project now more that ever if it will be done in a timely manner.
I am planning a trip to the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad.Would like to see the 1309 up close to check out the progress and objective for the 1309. Their web pages shows a lot going on.
Hope to see some of the following.
A picture of the Chesapeake and Ohio No. 1309 steam locomotive is on a bulletin board in the shop at the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad yard. Restoration work is being done on the locomotive, which was built in 1949 and was a part of the B & O Railroad Museum collection. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars along the scenic railroad for the 16 mile round trip between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
Protected from the elements under a shed roof, this is the rear end of the 1309 steam locomotive’s tender. At the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad yard, restoration work is being done on the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad No. 1309 steam locomotive. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars on the scenic railroad’s 16 mile roundtrip between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
Stay bolts cover the boiler on the 1309 steam locomotive that’s being restored at the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad yard. The Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad No. 1309 steam locomotive was built in 1949 and was used to transport coal for several years. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars along the scenic railroad between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
A lubricator box rests in the shop at the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad yard, where restoration work is being done on the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad No. 1309 steam locomotive. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars on the scenic railroad between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
When the 1309 steam locomotive is in motion, this lubricator box, a mechanical pump, will send lubrication to various parts of the engine. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars on the scenic railroad between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
Wheels for the 1309 steam locomotive are stored on the yard at the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad, where restoration work is being done on the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad No. 1309 steam locomotive. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars along the scenic railroad for a 16 mile round trip between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
These superheater units take “saturated” steam, recycle it through the boiler flues and extract more power out of the steam that will propel the No. 1309 steam locomotive. At the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad’s Ridgely yard, restoration work is being done on the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad No. 1309 steam locomotive. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars on the scenic railroad, which makes the 16 mile roundtrip journey between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
Nuts and bolts sit on the edge of a driving box as they wait to be installed in the No. 1309 steam locomotive, which is being restored at the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad’s Ridgely yard. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars on the scenic railroad between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
The 1309 locomotive headlamp waits on a shelf to be restored at the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad yard, where restoration work is being done on the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad No. 1309 steam locomotive. When the restoration is complete, probably next year, the locomotive will pull passenger cars along the scenic railroad, which makes a 16 mile round trip between Cumberland and Frostburg. (Barbara Haddock Taylor, Baltimore Sun)
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Funny as the pictures I seen taken last weekend showed the cab, tender & front engine sitting outside.
Too bad they could not get a pair of WM BL2's in black!
Dominic Mazoch posted:Too bad they could not get a pair of WM BL2's in black!
Let's see -- #82 is running at Durbin and #81 is sitting outside in the elements at the B&O Museum. Both are in their original livery. I could be mistaken on this but I believe that #81 is sans prime mover.
Poppyl
Some new photos from Facebook and it looks like the grates are now in!
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Newest update from the railroad: https://westernmarylandscenicrailroad.blogspot.com/
I noticed there is still no information on acquiring new brasses since the originals were destroyed in the theft.
This is good news, thanks for posting!
I thought nothing was going on.
I hope next summer I can see, hear and smell 1309, and go for a ride!
UPDATE 1/9/2019 The WMSR just posted a video update stating that the 1309 would start making test runs within the next three months and that they hope to start running excursions this summer. The video was posted to their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/WMSRailroad/
J 611 posted:UPDATE 1/9/2019 The WMSR just posted a video update stating that the 1309 would start making test runs within the next three months and that they hope to start running excursions this summer. The video was posted to their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/WMSRailroad/
Apparently Mr. Garner hasn't learned YET, to stop making such predictions!
Hot Water posted:
J 611 posted:
UPDATE 1/9/2019 The WMSR just posted a video update stating that the 1309 would start making test runs within the next three months and that they hope to start running excursions this summer. The video was posted to their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/WMSRailroad/
Apparently Mr. Garner hasn't learned YET, to stop making such predictions!
Agreed, hopefully he didn’t jump the gun again.
So, will UP 4014 run first?
WMSRR has stated as some have suspected that the tracks leading to the turntable will have to be re-aligned for 1309. It was also stated WMSRR does not own the tracks but the county I think does. Any word on when this will be rectified?
611,
Good news, thanks for posting, made my day.
The turntable situation, and all trackage, should have been checked BEFORE the engine was purchased.
superwarp1 posted:WMSRR has stated as some have suspected that the tracks leading to the turntable will have to be re-aligned for 1309. It was also stated WMSRR does not own the tracks but the county I think does. Any word on when this will be rectified?
Not that I know about, but they are doing other track repairs. The issue could be repaired in days at most. so one thing at a time? Get 1309 running first then worry about the table.
CSX FAN posted:superwarp1 posted:WMSRR has stated as some have suspected that the tracks leading to the turntable will have to be re-aligned for 1309. It was also stated WMSRR does not own the tracks but the county I think does. Any word on when this will be rectified?
Not that I know about, but they are doing other track repairs. The issue could be repaired in days at most.
Not in my opinion. The track/grade approaching the turntable is around 3%, with a sharp curve. Even the big 2-8-0 #734 would "crash" onto the turntable as it came off the steep ascending grade, and one could really feel it in the cab.
so one thing at a time? Get 1309 running first then worry about the table.
Well, it really is NOT the "table" but the approach to the "table".
Correct it's not a turntable issue but the approach and since WMSRR doesn't own the tracks from what I've been told it's out of their hands. I'm sure they will figure it out.
Dominic Mazoch posted:The turntable situation, and all trackage, should have been checked BEFORE the engine was purchased.
The engine itself should have been “checked” as well. The 1309 wasn’t maintained well by the C&O. From what I heard, they ran their engines to death. That plus the fact that she had been sitting outside for 60 years, the WMSR made a huge mistake! Not only was the 1309 in poor condition mechanically, it’s also not prototypical for the Western Maryland. They had 2-6-6-2s but they didn’t look like the 1309 at ALL! Just my idea, maybe they could’ve taken the Frisco decapod out of the Museum of Transportation in St. Louis and dressed it up as a Western Maryland I1.
Right it is the large dip in the rail approaching the turntable from the roadway. I don't think the curvature is an issue. 734 had an issue with the curve and quickly spread the gauge on the curve. But isn't 1309's articulated wheel length shorter than 734?
