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This project is nearing completion and I thought I'd post an update pending receipt of the finished models later this month.

 

There's an earlier thread in which I mentioned this, which you can see here: https://ogrforum.com/t...-water-tender?page=1. A number of people have expressed interest in having the same or similar models.

 

Both MTH and Lionel have recently cataloged UP water tenders sporting Old Glory and the MTH versions have the Jim Adams and Joe Jordan lettering as well - but none of them reflect the modified UP AWTs that actually have those names and are used in UP's steam excursion runs. It was those two tenders I wanted to duplicate. They've been done in N, HO and larger scale but not in three rail O. 

 

The designer/supplier of the tender shells is James Norris and you can see his own description of the project here:http://jamestrainparts.wordpress.com

 

(Scroll down the home page until you get to his entries for December 15th and 8th, the latter being entitled "'O' What a Big Tender!").

 

As you will see, my pair are to be mounted on stock Lionel AWT chassis and trucks that I sourced from Lionel replacement parts. I think that using a stamped metal frame for a chassis is probably essential because the plastic used for 3D printing isn't thought to be up to the task of pulling any great weight behind the tender, such as a passenger car consist.

 

In other respects I refer to James' own description of his efforts. While he is based in the UK the shells are actually printed in New York. That might suggest that people would - unlike me - want to finish them themselves but better read about the necessary steps James describes first.

 

Here's a couple of photos of what the shells looked like before finishing started:

 

 

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Here's a few that are more recent, including after the painting was started:

 

 

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I don't necessarily expect the detail to be as pin-sharp as it is on the Lionel and MTH die cast versions but neither manufacturer seems likely to make new tooling to model the present-day UP AWTs as opposed to in effect recycling existing tooling with new paint. Lionel has already done this once with their Legacy AWTs. 

 

For anyone who's interested, here's a nice photo/video presentation on functioning 1/32 scale versions of these tenders, which are used behind some live steam UP models (the video is linked at the bottom of the page): http://www.asterhobbyusa.com/U...ter%20tank%20car.htm

 

For reference here's a couple photos of the tenders as built for service and one that compares the size of the O scale model to James' previous HO and N versions:

 

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Originally Posted by Surefire:

Very cool. Can't wait to see the finished model. Is this something you plan to sell?

No, I'm not a seller but James Norris is; you can contact him through his website or direct on jamestrainparts@yahoo.co.uk.

 

What I have said to James is that if someone wants a finished version done by him brought back to the USA I'd help in that respect as I have family connections in the UK.

Originally Posted by Passenger Train Collector:

Very interesting project. I am really looking forward to seeing the finished product. 

Well, so am I. I reckon on having the painted and decaled versions around the third week of this month and you can be sure I'll post photos, probably James' as well as my own as he's been very good about showing me in photos each phase of the process.

 

I should have mentioned that these tenders are of a size that is right at the outer limit (no pun intended) of what Shapeways can produce. Indeed, as pointed out on James' website it was a help providing the cut levers that Lionel supply as replacement parts because otherwise the length with these parts moulded-in (as they are in the smaller versions) would have exceeded the maximum. 

 

I expect that limit will be extended at some point at which time it might be possible to think about other O scale models the 3 rail manufacturer's don't produce  - especially a number of the present-day UP excursion passenger cars. The obstacle will be cost as the 3D printing contractors charge by the volume of material used, which obviously goes up significantly if you are modelling a modern passenger car at full scale length.

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The problem is in the UP  trademark the minute Mr Norris puts Union Pacific on it, and sells it he is guilty of trademark infringement. Unless he wants a cease and  threat notice> I highly suggest leaving the UP off the model and letting purchaser apply.  Always away, all ways around, singing ashes, ashes, we all fall down. Up vigorously defends its trademark. If you want to see multiples for purchase best not show pics or talk too much about it. I wouldnt be surprised if a letter is being written right now. Up monitors this and other forums for, lets call them intellectual leaks, and infringements. Up also incourages anyone who has paid liscensing fees to snitch on the un liscensed!!!!   

Originally Posted by AMCDave:

Those are fairly large parts to print. Are you using a commercial vendor or a home system?? Very nice work. I do art for laser cutting.....thought I could learn 3-D art....LOTS harder!!!

You got that right. I still have not tied myself down to get confident with Auto Cad.

I know some UG and Catia but no enough.

 

The most economical way I could produce this is  buy a Lionel or MTH version, light scan it, then have the data sent to print machine or make some temporary tooling.

capital about 1,800.

Now set up cost to run the machine and/or make parts...

about the same.

So How many do I make to recoupe the cost?

Add trucks, Hardware, Couplers, Lights...

Paint/assemble/Package/Ship

Hmm the ones going on Ebay for around 200.00 are sounding kind of econimical.

 

 

Originally Posted by Notch 6:

Very neat project. I'd be curious on a cost for a raw version.

 

Good question; see below.

 

Originally Posted by rex desilets:

For what little it's worth, I once investigated doing a 3-D printed N&W H3 hopper in O scale. My best guesstimate, based on volume of the high definition material, was $250 per copy. I'll bet the O scale aux tender will cost more, unless Shapeways has reduced material costs.

 

Fair point about the current cost of printing material. Here's some information I have been given by the maker which relates to this and Notch 6's query: Bear in mind that the maker uses Shapeways for the printing, not his own printing machinery.

 

1.  As I understand it there are two types of printing material available, Shapeways FD ("Frosted Detail") and FDU ("Frosted Ultra Detail"); the latter is more expensive.

 

2.  They are printed by the same machine but the difference is that with FD the walls of a print have to be a min of 0.5mm thick as opposed to 0.3mm with FDU and the minimum detail with FD is 0.2mm rather than 0.1mm with FDU. FD is cheaper per cubic cm of printing material used, which is what impacts on price at present. FD is what has been used on my tenders as it was judged to be suitable for the purpose.

 

3.  The upshot is that the price for "raw" printing, that is to produce a tender shell without finishing would be about $195 in FD and $275 in FDU. Obviously the work of getting a shell ready for painting and painting it, for those (like me) who don't feel able to do this kind of work (or at least not to a standard the shells merit) adds more to the cost, as would sourcing a frame and trucks if you don't already have them. 

 

You'll have a chance to judge the fully finished products when I get them in about two weeks and post photos/further details.

 

 

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