is it more likely that this engine pulled the "Columbian" and opposed to the "Cincinnatian" Passenger cars.
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Could have been both. P7's were streamlined for the Cincinnatian. The Columbian was one of the earliest B&O trains to be dieselized.
Keep in mind that when we talk about the Columbian, there were actually three different Columbians.
The first Columbian consisted of heavyweight cars. Then in 1937, the Columbian consisted of streamline, heavyweight cars.
The third and possibly the most recognized Columbian would be the lightweight streamliner of 1949. (This is passengers cars that were beautifully done by Golden Gate (Sunset/3rd Rail) and released a couple of months ago).
Dieselization would come to the Columbian sometime around 1938.
Jim
Originally Posted by jd-train:
Keep in mind that when we talk about the Columbian, there were actually three different Columbians.
The first Columbian consisted of heavyweight cars. Then in 1937, the Columbian consisted of streamline, heavyweight cars.
The third and possibly the most recognized Columbian would be the lightweight streamliner of 1949. (This is passengers cars that were beautifully done by Golden Gate (Sunset/3rd Rail) and released a couple of months ago).
Dieselization would come to the Columbian sometime around 1938.
Jim
Jim, I should have been more specific.
I was speaking of the Sunset 3rd rail B&O P7 (not the streamlined version) that is curently available. So would a better match for this engine be the "Columbian" 4 car set now available from Sunset 3rd railas opposed to the Cinncy version that has yet to be made?
Also thanx to B&O Bill for his response.
The current Sunset Model is a P-7e, specifically # 5314. There were four P-7 locomotives streamlined for The Cincinnatian and they were classified P-7d. Whenever a P-7e was not available to power The Cincinnatian the B&O would substitute other power such as any of the subclasses of P-7 and also Q-4 mikados at times.
While the current Sunset offering would be a correct locomotive for the Cincinnatian it would not have been used as road power for the streamlined 1949 Columbian. It is possible that a P-7e could have been used as a helper over Sand Patch grade from Cumberland although steam helpers on The Columbian were usually either P-1d or T-3 locomotives. I never saw a P-7e or a photo of one as a helper for The Columbian on Sand Patch, but that doesn't mean it never happened.
Unless you already have a set of the Sunset/3rd Rail/GGD Columbian cars, it might be a mute point anyway. I don't think there are any GGD Columbian sets currently available for sale?
The lightweight streamline Columbian coaches were delivered first (set A) followed by set B (observation, dome, diner, combine) this past Spring. I thought I had read somewhere that only 50 set B's in 3R were made. A couple of the dealers still have individual coaches for sale on their websites, but I don't believe that any of the B sets are in stock anywhere, and I haven't seen any come up on the secondary market.
Jim
