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In 1931 and 32 , Ives had offered a good looking line of 9 1/2 " lithographed freight cars.  In 1933, Lionel discontinued the Ives line but due to the depths of the Depression maintained the lithographed cars (which could be sold for much lower prices than Lionel's normal enameled cars) in order to offer low priced sets.  They removed "Ives" from the black oval and substituted "Lionel" and gave the cars a new number 1719.  While they were handsome and more realistic than the prior lithographed cars (about 6-7" long) Lionel did not really care for lithography (especially Mr. Cowen) and so they were never shown in the catalogue.  So here is the 1933-1940 large lithographed boxcar # 1719, note the car remained in the line until 1942 but after 1940 had box couplers.

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Best Wishes

Don

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I took this photograph and don't think I ever posted it.  Jeff @ScoutingDad gives me a friendly teasing because I like boxcars in boxcar red (brown as it looks to me)  He says I need more colorful cars.    I saw lots of blue RF&P cars during my time working in Virginia in the 1970s and 80s.  I also added some color to my black Western Maryland engine roster with this CSX MP15.

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BTW, check the silver and red Western Maryland boxcar on the head end of the passenger train in the background.  I'll get a photo of that for next week.

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My offering for today's 027 boxcar "session:"

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I've posted this photo before but it's my oldest 027 car and I want to present my oldest to newest. It's a "first year" MPC from 1970. They appear to have spared just about EVERY expense to put these out. I got it for $23 NIB from Forum sponsor Graham's Trains and had to rework both couplers to get them to work on my uncoupler track.

Here's the box, front & back:

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No inserts of any kind; just big enough to hold the car with the couplers turned under the car.

Car info was just rubber stamped, obviously hastily, on one end flap:

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We've "recovered" quite a bit since then...

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@Mark Boyce posted:

I took this photograph and don't think I ever posted it.  Jeff @ScoutingDad gives me a friendly teasing because I like boxcars in boxcar red (brown as it looks to me)  He says I need more colorful cars.    I saw lots of blue RF&P cars during my time working in Virginia in the 1970s and 80s.  I also added some color to my black Western Maryland engine roster with this CSX MP15.

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BTW, check the silver and red Western Maryland boxcar on the head end of the passenger train in the background.  I'll get a photo of that for next week.

Mark, that scheme came in your favorite brown too! 😉

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Great stuff this week guys! My cars are still in the “larva” stage…

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Tom

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To be fair my comment to Mark B was for his photo of a string of brown box cars and that he needs to get more color on his cars.

Case(s) in point  Illinois Central had the wisdom to address the "box car brown" by adding orange and a yellow racing stripe in addition to its green and yellow company logo.

IC Box orange Yellow

Pretty typical of Milwaukee Road paint schemes - no "box car brown" here especially for it's Hiawatha Brand.

MR Box Hiawatha

Northern Pacific did a good gob of paint jobs - a nice forest green and a "box car brown" with lettering and logos so big I do not notice the "bcb".

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My newest arrival from an auction site. This is an all door car used for forest products to keep the contents out of the weather. The 2 middle doors open all the way to each side.  Hmm - an appropriate green for the contents inside ? 

SV Box all door 

Enjoy all !!!

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@ScoutingDad posted:

To be fair my comment to Mark B was for his photo of a string of brown box cars and that he needs to get more color on his cars.

Case(s) in point  Illinois Central had the wisdom to address the "box car brown" by adding orange and a yellow racing stripe in addition to its green and yellow company logo.

IC Box orange Yellow

Pretty typical of Milwaukee Road paint schemes - no "box car brown" here especially for it's Hiawatha Brand.



Northern Pacific did a good gob of paint jobs - a nice forest green and a "box car brown" with lettering and logos so big I do not notice the "bcb".



My newest arrival from an auction site. This is an all door car used for forest products to keep the contents out of the weather. The 2 middle doors open all the way to each side.  Hmm - an appropriate green for the contents inside ?



Enjoy all !!!

One of my favorites that I don't own.

Lionel - kind of an oddball appearance, to me, as it lacks any apparent road number under New York Central, where I’d expect to see it. The minuscule 9700 over the Lionel date stamp doesn’t get it done.

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Mark,

The number is so minuscule that Greenberg didn’t pick up on it. If you look up 26234; GB just lists it as NYC Boxcar. Other listings have the reused road numbers in “ “.

This is a rare one, made by K-Line.

Although it looks like a boxcar, it is actually a covered tank car.  You did not read that wrong . . . this is a tank car.  But, since it looks like a boxcar, here it is!  I used to see these being loaded or unloaded -- I'm not sure which -- at Linde Air Products, located west of Fontana, California, on the SP Sunset Route.

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@Number 90 posted:

This is a rare one, made by K-Line.

Although it looks like a boxcar, it is actually a covered tank car.  You did not read that wrong . . . this is a tank car.  But, since it looks like a boxer, here it is!  I used to see these being loaded or unloaded -- I'm not sure which -- at Linde Air Products, located west of Fontana, California, on the SP Sunset Route.

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I had posted a AIRCO one back in January. Maybe someone at a higher pay grade can explain the purpose of putting a tank in a box.

@Number 90 posted:

This is a rare one, made by K-Line.

Although it looks like a boxcar, it is actually a covered tank car.  You did not read that wrong . . . this is a tank car.  But, since it looks like a boxer, here it is!  I used to see these being loaded or unloaded -- I'm not sure which -- at Linde Air Products, located west of Fontana, California, on the SP Sunset Route.

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Extra protection? Corrosion control?  Secret delivery of gas?

@pennsyfan posted:

I had posted a AIRCO one back in January. Maybe someone at a higher pay grade can explain the purpose of putting a tank in a box.

This is what I could find. The XT classification designates a boxcar that encloses one or more tanks. These specialized boxcars were used for transporting liquids or gases, and they played a crucial role in various industries. Equipped with one or more insulated tanks and with or without pumps or compressors. Not equipped with means of refrigeration. The Class XT boxcar fell out of favor with the complexity of loading/unloading and the small tank capacity and has been replaced with the cryogenic tank car.

@Dave Ripp. posted:

For this week a nicely detailed K-Line Pennsylvania. It has a see-through roof walk, diecast sprung trucks, working metal door latches and a picture of a Pennsylvania passenger train painted on it. I can't find any evidence that it existed in real life, but I still think it's cool.

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I found a reference indicating PRR had a series of these painted from the mid- '50's to the mid-'60's. Here's one prototype without the passenger train:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr24166ajs.jpg

Your car has what looks like the Broadway Limited of the era with her E6's from Harrisburg west, but the striping on the locos is incorrect as they should bear the broad single stripe for passenger service as opposed to the five stripe scheme shown which is for freight. Nevertheless, I can't imagine their premier passenger service wouldn't have been promoted on a prototype.

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Well Dave, thanks for getting us started today and that Kline car has an incredible level of detail, I had not seen one with such detail before. Thanks for posting.

My offering today, I will admit, was acquired under the influence of absolute vanity!  Its a Lionel 9472 Detroit and Mackinac from 1984 and I have no connection with this RR at all, having only been in the city of Detroit once in all my 79 years.  However, when I saw this boxcar, the first thing I noticed was that their logo (at least on this livery) was a giant "DM" - which happens to be my initials.  So, I could not resist having a boxcar circling the layout with my initials displayed as the logo!!

So here is the Lionel 9472 Detroit and Mackinac (or DM) from 1984

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Here is the primary reason I bought this...I know its just vanity!  But fun anyway!

Lionel 9472 D&M boxcar logo side

Best Wishes

Don

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