Legacy upgrade question

No,Legacy boards are not upgradeable, you cannot load sounds or new programming 

Well, technically they are loadable, we just don't have access to any of the sound files to load them.   There is a 6 pin header for connection of the PIC loader, I believe it's usually labeled as the RS, right next to the RS socket on the MB.  Of course, newer one-board Legacy has the connector on the single board.

So I guess that's a no go.

Thanks

Correct, sound files are not available for Legacy RailSounds, and the interface really isn't documented.

What model are you talking about?  First generation Legacy used the modular board approach with Mother board.  They had RS5.5 for sounds.  There may be a similar engine produced later that has the sounds your after.  If so you can buy a RS5.5 board and install.  Additionally there are modular RS6.0 GP-7 boards that may have what you want.

The latest Legacy use RSL stand alone boards.  The problem is these engines don't use mother boards and it is harness wire connected to the main board.  So you also probably would have physical fitting issues.

I would call Lionel and ask if there was a different GP sounds set that has what you want.  You might get lucky.  G

Right now, you can't buy any boards from Lionel, so whatever you do it'll be several months before you can explore the options. 

New Legacy stuff has integrated electronics, one board has everything but the TMCC receiver.  That approach simply isn't practical for a sound upgrade.

Isn't the that what I said as far as integrated electronics?  Actually the one board has everything including the plug in TMCC receiver.  It doesn't have the Sound board or the smoke board for models that use it.  All other features including motor function are integrated and specific to the engine it is in.  G

GGG, its a 6-28340 GP9.

Ok,  You have the RS 6.0 with 5 Chime horn.  I am not sure what specific sound your after, and whether that feature is only in the newer Railsound Lite setups or not.

Have you heard this sounds in another engine?  G

I'm looking for the sequence sounds that are activated by the AUX 1 key.

I think all the sequence sounds are tied to programming as well. So unless you can get one of the new "uberboards" just changing sound sets isn't going to give you what you want

The dialog or engine sounds?

The dialog sounds only.

I am still not complete sure what your after, but my TMCC with RS 5.0 N&W J has dialogue sequenced to what the engine is doing.  So there is dialog on a round trip using AUX1 and various # based on engine state (stopped or moving). 

Just looked at your features and Lionel Web show you have the same sequencing talk and 6 different levels based on speed. G

I believe he's looking for Sequence Control, it's a feature of later Legacy locomotives, probably when the single board electronics was introduced, though I'm not sure of the exact timeframe.

Sequence control is kinda' like the PFA control.  Here's a page from one of my engines, the PRR U-Boats.

That's what I'm looking for John.

Thanks

It's going to take more than changing the sound set, it also controls the motors, so I'm sure it's part of the newer electronics packages.

Does it control motors?  Looks like it is just automatic operation of the sound sets based on operator use of the throttle, were as RS5.0 etc  is manually sequenced. 

I guess you have it, but it is manually controlled.  Neat feature they added to automatically sequence sounds.  G

Yes, if you read carefully, in the middle of the page at NOTE, you'll see that the it controls the motor.

Have you tried it, because I interpret you still have to select speed step 1, than 2, than 1/3 throttle etc....  G

The Main Electronics PCB controls the "Sequence Control" mode of operation.  The sound system is just responding to the serial commands to play dialog and activate signals.

To upgrade a loco to support sequence control, you will need to replace all of the electronics PCBs.

Sequence Control was introduced with (and requires) the single-board control electronics. The feature triggers sounds automatically based on the operator's manual control of the locomotive's speed. 

Rudy

director of audio

Lionel

Thanks Guys,

I appreciate all the good information you provided.

Have a great day!

Thanks Rudy, that is the way I read the instructions.  Good to know which system it is in also.  G