@GregM posted:Sorry, I can’t stop laughing, that is truly hideous.
That's the split pea express.
That's the ugliest green I've seen in a while, I'm sure that doesn't match any prototype. 
I was on the fence about ordering the GN. Not any more. RICH
@gunrunnerjohn posted:That's the ugliest green I've seen in a while, I'm sure that doesn't match any prototype.
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OK Rick, I forgot that particular prototype. 
Let me suggest a couple of options for Lionel. Sell than at half price and let the buyer repaint them or throw them in the paint stripper and sell them as factory prototypes. Besides the green whats with the white smokeboxes?
Pete
Oh come on Pete! A little Harry Heike weathering won't fix this one? 
I mean, if any one can turn a dud into a stud, it’s Harry, but he might be putting in an all nighter on these...
There is a proto-type. The green may have come from Steamtown. The paint used on the 0-6-0, there. There was an on-staff historian that verified the color, supervised the paint job.
Cloudy day, looks pretty good. IMO. Mike CT. (My pictures).
@Mikado 4501 posted:I mean, if any one can turn a dud into a stud, it’s Harry, but he might be putting in an all nighter on these...
Agreed,
Harry does good work. But we shouldn't have to rely on him to fix Lionels mistakes.
I will be repainting this one in the correct colors soon for an individual.
This is why I don’t preorder anything from them anymore.
@Mike CT posted:There is a proto-type. The green may have come from Steamtown. The paint used on the 0-6-0, there. There was an on-staff historian that verified the color, supervised the paint job.
Cloudy day, looks pretty good. IMO. Mike CT.
This, does not look like this:
@RickO posted:
They just aren't close.
@Andrew B. posted:This, does not look like this:
They just aren't close.
Agreed, Baldwin 26 is a greater shade of green and not the kind in soup. I'm glad all the B6's I ordered are black. You won't see any change on the color charts for that unless they made some glossy and others flat.
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I had a quick question about the previous 2015 release 6-82184. I noticed the lens on my rear light housing on the tender was missing and actually found it in the box. It doesn't appear to have anything broken off of it but it doesn't snap in either. My question is how are these held in the housing and how might I go about getting mine to stay put? Are these simply glued in from the factory or did a tab break off of mine? The housing assembly is no longer available from Lionel for this item.
I looked at mine, near as I can tell, it's just pressed in. I'd probably put a little canopy glue (Tester's Clear Parts Cement) on it and stick it back in. Once it dries, it should stay put.
Thanks for checking on yours and for the info. It's not intended to come out for bulb replacement or anything like that is it? I'm not sure how it all comes apart for that purpose.
It's an LED in there, don't think they planned on you replacing it. In any case, you can extract something if you use canopy glue, it's not that strong.
I found one of these left over in the PRR livery with the longer tender. It sounds like there have been a few issues with these. How has Lionel been about rectifying issues with them? Trying to decide if I should pull the trigger or not.
I purchased the Bethlehem Steel version during the President's Day sale at TrainWorld. Out of the box, it worked just fine and nothing was broken. Yes, the backup light blinking thing is there, but it only comes up without the LEGACY base plugged in. That aside, it works as should, and I'm controlling it via the LEGACY remote most of the time anyways.
@Mikado 4501 posted:I purchased the Bethlehem Steel version during the President's Day sale at TrainWorld. Out of the box, it worked just fine and nothing was broken. Yes, the backup light blinking thing is there, but it only comes up without the LEGACY base plugged in. That aside, it works as should, and I'm controlling it via the LEGACY remote most of the time anyways.
Cool. What a strange bug. Is it on all units or just some?
I think it's on all, but Dave Olsen offered a quick fix to the circuit boards for the people who were really pestered by it. They picked up on this not long after these and the 2020 run of the T-1's got out, so this likely won't be an issue on future steamers.
I have a PRR 711 Long Tender. I use legacy . I have ran about everyday for months with any issues. I like it some much I purchased a Snowflake Central Legacy Train set plus I found another PRR short tender. I am a member of the 48 Club and for my small layout I am having a blast. The only issue is the backup light works best with Legacy command. I have used both Bluetooth and conventional without any issues except the backup light. I waited several years from the last production run to find one. If you wish a video review if I may I suggest Eric’s Train a forum sponsor on his YouTube channel.
@JohnActon posted:Ron, I'm sitting with my copy of Linn Westcott's "Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia and comparing what is in his book to my K-Line model and if Lionel's version is indeed made from the same tooling both loco and tender are too large in some dimensions. The proto tender is 26' 7" long front to rear sill the K-Line is 28' 6" The bottom of the proto tender to the rail head is 32" The K-Line bottom tender to railhead is 42.91" The K-Line is almost 11" too high and it shows. I lowered mine by 9". When I was planning I set it on trucks which lowered it the full 11" but it looked too low with the loco sitting high. The width of the proto tender is 10'0" K-Line is 10'3". The top of the proto tender before the addition of the bunker extension is 9'2" above rail head, K-Line is 10'3" above rail head. The side of tender at the coal bunker not including bunker extension; proto 78" the K-Line is 88.32" Ten inches taller. LOCOMOTIVE; Top stack, proto 14'11" K-Line 15'3" Top cab roof, proto 14' K-Line 14'9" Pilot beam to rear cab proto 33' K-Line 33'3" Center line boiler front above rail head, proto 108" K-Line 111.84". The boiler diameter at the center of the sand dome, proto 77.45" K-Line 83.5" I have three different PRR B6 locos The Lionel 18000 the Williams and the K-Line Of the three the K-Line has the best detail however the proportions are off in several areas the boiler is too fat the top of the stack is too high as a result of the boiler being to tall and the tender sits almost a foot too high. To me the proportions of the Williams is much closer to the scale drawing in the Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia however it is sorely lacking in detail. As for the Lionel 18000 if you can overlook the driver spacing the rest of the loco is very close to the original B6s the tender sits at the right height and is the right length. Strange as it may seem I think I like it best of the three. Might be the sweat I have in mine changing the 14:1 gearing to 22:1 and adding an ERR AC commander. It will run just as slow as my K-Line inspite of it's Pullmor motor even if it does growl a bit. I just turned the sound volume up. The K-Line does look better with the tender lowered. The bottom of the tender overlaps the top of the wheels as does the prototype. I also like it coupled close to the loco but it won't make it through sharp curves. Wish they had moved the rear pickup on the loco forward so that it wasn't so visible. j
Just came across this. Very useful! I have read in several places that the Williams brass B6 is the closest to scale size in 3-rail, pretty much exact. The Lionel 18000 locomotive, which I believe is the same as the prewar 227, 228, 701, etc. tooling, is noticeably too small. It seems that the tender is close to the correct size, but the locomotive size is compressed selectively, including the driver spacing, which is compressed so that it is not accurate. You can clearly see this when comparing to photos of the real thing. Classic Toy Trains did an article on relative sizes of Lionel and other brand O gauge items back in March 1993 and they listed the prewar/18000 B6 as 93% scale size. It seems that is just for the locomotive. The old Lionel B6 is still a nice looking model and I have a couple of them, but it was just Lionel marketing spin to label their B6 as full O scale. The only prewar Lionel full O scale sized locomotive was the 700E Hudson (and the "semi-scale" 763E Hudson locomotive, but not the tender). And the only prewar Lionel full O scale sized cars were the four 700 series freight cars (and the "semi-scale" versions of those cars). Everything else was too small to be scale sized, including the prewar B6.
