"And here I though that K-line's PRR "Hammerhead" was screwed up with two different headlights."
There are a LOT more things screwed up with the K-Line hammerhead than the headlights. By the way, the headlight on the long hood should be the same vertical twin sealed-beam arrangement that is on the short hood. Both Cal-Scale and Precision Scale make brass castings for the headlight.
@G3750 posted:I have a question about this (apparently) B70 baggage car I picked up at York. I believe it was part of the MTH 20-4058 PRR passenger train set. It's numbered 9021, which seems wrong.
Can anyone shed any light on either its historical accuracy (if any) or background on the model and / or set?
It's likely to end up in my Fast Mail and Express train with some other head-end cars.
Thanks,
George
Hi George. The MTH B70 is loosely based on the PRR prototype, but like most MTH cars, it is a generic representation of a composite car that can represent many different roads.
Here is a link to a prototypical early B70 baggage. You can see that the car is longer and the trucks are pushed out toward the end of the cars as there no vestibules. Most of the PRR baggage cars numbered in the 9000's were mostly B60b cars. Compared the vast numbers of B60s built, there weren't nearly as many B70s. The B60 fleet served well into the Amtrak years.
The closest 3 rail B70 is the GGD car, but even that is a hair long as it used the same chassis as the P70 coaches and should be shorter due to the lack of vestibules. Those cars are far and few between to find though in 3 and two rail.
However, accuracy is always in the eye of the beholder. Renumber this car in the 6000 series and move the trucks out closer to the ends of the car and you have a very believable Pennsy baggage.
@TrainBub posted:Boy. Jonathan, What’s the vintage on this baby ??? I’ve not seen this 3rd Rail model before !!! Its Really nice !!! I can ditto Sitka’s remarks too. I’d love to see Scott roll around to doing Trainmaster again - though not in brass. I would hope it would be supported - it’s been offered elsewhere soooo many times before . My attraction would be the fixed pilots and it would be a nice Different addition to my SP Empire 😜
Cheers 😉
That is a great question! It was built by Samhongsa, but predates the 3rd Rail branding. I'm going to guess it is a product of the 80's or early 90's. This model was also offered by Sunset in N scale so that gives an idea of how long ago that has been!
I had plans to convert a K-Line Train Master 2-rail, but this was a much simpler solution. The detail is very good. It does have some work needed to get it correct. It is missing the horns, the exhaust deflector, and the disc antenna for starters. Easy details to add.
I would love to see a 3rd Rail version of this one day. As nice as the brass model is, a newly tooled ABS model would be much better, and I could add a few for my CNJ roster as they used them in passenger and freight service much like the Espee.
@prrhorseshoecurve posted:Very Nice! But shouldn't that short nose have a sealed beam headlight as well? And here I though that K-line's PRR "Hammerhead" was screwed up with two different headlights.
The sealed beam headlight is on the long hood of this model, but it is placed too low. I'll need to modify it and move it up. Here is a prototype photo of the short hood of a PRR H24-66 and another showing the long hood later in just after the PC merger. The long and short hoods should have matching twin beam headlights. However, hardly the amount of work required to get a K-Line locomotive in the same realm of accuracy even if their rendition of the Train Master is one of the best offered in 3-rail.
@GG1 4877 posted:Hi George. The MTH B70 is loosely based on the PRR prototype, but like most MTH cars, it is a generic representation of a composite car that can represent many different roads.
Here is a link to a prototypical early B70 baggage. You can see that the car is longer and the trucks are pushed out toward the end of the cars as there no vestibules. Most of the PRR baggage cars numbered in the 9000's were mostly B60b cars. Compared the vast numbers of B60s built, there weren't nearly as many B70s. The B60 fleet served well into the Amtrak years.
The closest 3 rail B70 is the GGD car, but even that is a hair long as it used the same chassis as the P70 coaches and should be shorter due to the lack of vestibules. Those cars are far and few between to find though in 3 and two rail.
However, accuracy is always in the eye of the beholder. Renumber this car in the 6000 series and move the trucks out closer to the ends of the car and you have a very believable Pennsy baggage.
Thank you very much, Jonathan.
My research had turned up only B60b's near the number range. I think, given all the other priorities on my plate, I will forego any changes other than darkening those handrails.
Thanks again.
George
@G3750 posted:Thank you very much, Jonathan.
My research had turned up only B60b's near the number range. I think, given all the other priorities on my plate, I will forego any changes other than darkening those handrails.
Thanks again.
George
I totally get it George. I am all about scale accuracy until I'm not. 
That is what makes this hobby great though. Some projects I'm willing to put the work into and others I'm not. I have several of the MTH cars painted in ATSF and the porthole windows make that that much further off. I'm not overly concerned. They just add to what has become a fairly lengthy M&E train.
Have some HO Lionel by Rivarossi
Baggage car 4909 not sure who made can't find in Lionel catalog from 61 color match's has plastic trucks.
Baggage car 0708 is a Lionel with metal trucks in Lionel catalogs
Vista Dome car 4905 another car that doesn't show up in catalog also has plastic trucks.
and Observation car 0710 with metal trucks shows up in Lionel catalog.
my brother in Ga. has my dad's Lionel set from the early 60s.
Lionel 4-4-2 Pennsylvania Flyer Set from 2001 #6-3193 Nice little sets for the grand kids to run, God Speed!
Here's my Pennsylvania RR Everyday seen on the Free State Junction Railway. 
Lone 6454 PW Lionel boxcar being watched by a Ram
Pennsylvania big hook in action with Pennsylvania A5 on the point. A pair of z Pennsylvania Geeps in the back ground.
It took me a while to find this one. An accurate GGD B70 is not easy to come by these days, especially in 2-rail. I have some Walthers ones, but they are not nearly as nice as this one. What I like best about the GGD car is the trucks are located correctly near the ends of the car as there are no vestibules on these cars.
Now to finally track down a reasonably priced BM70 and PB70. One day! Maybe I'll even break down and overpay for them just to add them to my fleet.
Silly computer put the wrong photo in again! Either that or was it operator error? 
Oh wait, here is an almost proper PRR B60b in it's last PRR scheme and in 2 rail for my future layout.
Here my dads Pennsylvania Baggage mail car with platform that throws out the baggage that is long gone, car is from Lima Italy 1970s.
Here's some Pennsy for this fine Everyday! 
Nothing like a good PW Lionel GG-1 running the rails
Here is a real "mixed" train for you...the Lionel #8141 2-4-2 Columbia with red stripe and PRR tender from 1971-72 (hence MPC) hauling the Lionel # 2672 tinplate caboose, PRR in Tuscan color, from 1941-1942 ! So we have a little train that is 30 years apart at both ends.
I know, its not scale, its not prototypical, IRL it may not ever be possible...BUT IT's FUN!!
Best Wishes
Don
Pennsylvania original 4877 number board in light box.
With O gauge TCA ANNIVERSARY GG1 repainted as Big Red.
MTH Pennsylvania BIG RED WITH 3 bead end cars and passenger consist.
Here’s some Pennsylvania equipment for your review, more to come later. Happy Railroading Everyone 
The I1sa and L1s are MTH PS2 3V models. I purchased the I1sa "Hippo" several months ago from a forum member. After a quick operations check it remained boxed until this morning! She's a beast! To the right of the I1sa is an E6 Atlantic. The E6 started life as a Ps2 5V model, but now has PS3 upgrade. Merry Christmas all!
Hope you Pennsy fans had a good Christmas, received a 8357 GP-9 from 1973-75 no horn but runs well, next goes to the service shop for maintenance. God Speed remember our troops overseas.
Picked up a PW Lionel N5 type 6437-25 from 1961-68 great condition past owner had two couplers took off the rear coupler to bring it back to original issue.
Today's Pennsy. 
Pennsy on the move
Finally picked up the full vista dome car made by Lionel from 1995.
@Sitka posted:Finally picked up the full vista dome car made by Lionel from 1995.
It is a nice looking car and I always enjoy seeing your great layout. But are you aware that the PRR had no domed passenger cars on their roster due to the fact that their tunnels had ceilings that were too low to accommodate the domes.
@Randy Harrison posted:It is a nice looking car and I always enjoy seeing your great layout. But are you aware that the PRR had no domed passenger cars on their roster due to the fact that their tunnels had ceilings that were too low to accommodate the domes.
Thanks Randy on the compliments, I sure do if I remember right, they used lease vista domes on the west shore line, I think I still have the article I found on trains, God Speed
@Sitka posted:Thanks Randy on the compliments, I sure do if I remember right, they used lease vista domes on the west shore line, I think I still have the article I found on trains, God Speed
Here you go Randy ,Used on the South Wind during the winter months during the mid 60s leased from the Northern Pacific.
I just read on TTML that today is the 55th anniversary of the first running of th PRR Metroliner. I thought it was a fitting tribute to run my Williams Metroliner. As another tribute. Thinking about Marty Fitzhenry; I obtained this set from him.
@Sitka posted:Thanks Randy on the compliments, I sure do if I remember right, they used lease vista domes on the west shore line, I think I still have the article I found on trains, God Speed
Can you give me details on where I can find the article? I am always interested in learning something new where the PRR is concerned.
@Randy Harrison posted:Can you give me details on where I can find the article? I am always interested in learning something new where the PRR is concerned.
Sent you a email how I found the article on the South Wind and the fella writing about it, HAGN Mark
@Randy Harrison posted:Can you give me details on where I can find the article? I am always interested in learning something new where the PRR is concerned.
As I recall these were NOT Pennsy dome cars but leased from theNorthern Pacific run where no clearance problems!
Ron
@PRRronbh posted:As I recall these were NOT Pennsy dome cars but leased from theNorthern Pacific run where no clearance problems!
Ron
Correct, I posted this back a few pages on this thread hope this helps all, any info or pictures of the N.P. vista dome running with the PRR would be great to see. Thanks all for posting info on the PRR thread.
Mark
@Sitka posted:Correct, I posted this back a few pages on this thread hope this helps all, any info or pictures of the N.P. vista dome running with the PRR would be great to see. Thanks all for posting info on the PRR thread.
Mark
Passenger Train Journal August 31, 2017 has a feature article about the South Wind. The online pictures did not include the dome car. Perhaps there would be one in the magazine.
@pennsyfan posted:Passenger Train Journal August 31, 2017 has a feature article about the South Wind. The online pictures did not include the dome car. Perhaps there would be one in the magazine.
NOTE: Ebay link removed per TOS.
And for the record the first road to run dome cars east of the Mississippi River was the B&O. Their dome cars had a "lower" profile as depicted by MTH Primer B&O passenger cars. In the late/mid 50's I road those cars at Odark30 hours round trip from home town "Murder Town USA" to Chicago .
Ron
The picture of the 4800 was a birthday present. The signal bridge was a Christmas present that I my have posted earlier. 
@pennsyfan posted:The picture of the 4800 was a birthday present. The signal bridge was a Christmas present that I my have posted earlier.
Sharp gifts Bob
@Sitka posted:Have some HO Lionel by Rivarossi
Baggage car 4909 not sure who made can't find in Lionel catalog from 61 color match's has plastic trucks.
Baggage car 0708 is a Lionel with metal trucks in Lionel catalogs
Vista Dome car 4905 another car that doesn't show up in catalog also has plastic trucks.
and Observation car 0710 with metal trucks shows up in Lionel catalog.
my brother in Ga. has my dad's Lionel set from the early 60s.
I'm not sure how I missed this earlier, but Athearn inherited this tooling from Globe Streamliners and it was a staple of the Yellow Box and Blue Box era for Athearn. Lionel contracted with Athearn to make these under the Lionel name for a short period of time, but they were in the Athearn catalog for a good 30 plus years.
This arrived today. Found it for a very reasonable price, but I do need to track down or scratch build a tender for it. I think it is a Max Gray, but need to do my homework now that it is here.
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