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I have run into another postwar whistle tender that will not work if it is alone on the track.  The relay will not trip or very week.  If I put an engine on the track, even in nuetral, the relay works perfectly.   I have found this happens on a few Postwar tenders.

I am using a legacy powermaster and a CAB2 currently.  I think I ran into this when using a conventional transformer also.

It is not a problem, just wondering if this was normal.  I am not an EE, but does anyone have an explanation on why the relay would need something like another E-unit pulling power?

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Perfectly normal. \

Why? A simple answer- some amount of resistive load- be it the smoke unit or as simple as the headlight bulb, or even the load of an E-unit.

That load helps the powermaster better manipulate the AC waveform making the DC offset more prominent in the track power- and building a stronger field in the shaded pole relay- AKA your whistle/horn relay.



That load helps the powermaster better manipulate the AC waveform making the DC offset more prominent in the track power- and building a stronger field in the shaded pole relay- AKA your whistle/horn relay.

Thanks, an explanation is always helpful.   

I have Voltmeters connected to track.   I did further tests using the same voltage reading.  Removed engine from the track and added a lighted car.  No whistle, LED light in car.  Added a car with an incandescent light and whistle worked.   

@VHubbard posted:

Thanks, an explanation is always helpful.   

I have Voltmeters connected to track.   I did further tests using the same voltage reading.  Removed engine from the track and added a lighted car.  No whistle, LED light in car.  Added a car with an incandescent light and whistle worked.   

Same reasons for adding a tiny capacitor to an LED circuit for a headlight on an R2LC TRIAC controlled output.

An LED load is not enough load for the TRIAC to trigger and conduct- but you add a resistive or capacitive load- now the TRIAC conducts as intended.

The Powermaster and electronic controlled transformers like a CW80 using TRIACs to shape and control the waveform to include bell and whistle function DC offset distortions to the AC wave form need that load- ideally a resistive load- can be as simple as a light bulb in a lighted lockon.

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