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I've always liked the Station Sounds Diner functionality to add a dimension to passenger trains.  Unfortunately, I have several MTH Premier passenger sets, and the Lionel Station Sounds Diner doesn't really match the other cars, so that's not really an option.  I decided to create my own for the MTH sets.

First off, I ordered the PRR Congressional Station Sounds Diner RailSounds card from Lionel.  Lionel has a number of the Staion Sounds boards currently listed for sale, so if you're thinking of a project like this, I'd get the board ASAP.  I'm led to believe they're just selling off old stock, and when they're gone, they're gone.  The R2LC and the RS power supply are generic boards that are readily available.

I looked over the cars, and the logical place to put the sound is in the baggage car, there really isn't another car in the set that has space for it without compromising the appearance of the car.  That being decided, I grabbed the car and started in.  I had the power supply, R2LC, and a motherboard, so it appeared I had all the parts needed.  During the conversion, I also converted it to LED lighting, a treatment the rest of the cars will get as well.  I also added a 22uh choke to the track pickups for DCS compatibility.

A note on the reed switch connection.  The motherboard I used was the Lionel 691-PCB1-11D.  Although the Station Sounds Diner board is available for purchase, I recommend this board instead.  It's narrower, and the station sounds board doesn't fit in the place I have this one without altering the shell!

Here's the intended victim.  Note that when I was all done, it looked exactly the same, which was the object of the exercise.

 

 

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We'll go at this backwards, here's the completed chassis first.  All of the components are mounted and wired, this was it's first test, successful I might add.

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Next, the shell with the LED lighting and TMCC antenna installed.  I removed the light bar and just retained a short piece of it with the connector attached.  I hot-glue the components for the light power supply to the stub.

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We need a motion detection mechanism for the diner to properly function, so I used the time-honored method of a small magnet on the wheel and a reed switch on the truck.  The magnet glued to the inside of the wheel, I place it up far enough to clear things like grade crossings and the like.

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Next, here's the mounting of the reed switch on the truck frame, I use Loctite 380 BlackMax to secure it, it's there to stay!

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In order for the magnet to clear the truck frame, I had to grind away a small depression, it's important to do check clearance before putting things all together.  Don't ask me how I know that!

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For the speaker, I drilled holes under the truck to allow for better sound.  This allows the small speaker used plenty of breathing room, the sound is surprisingly loud.

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The speaker is mounted above the holes using two screws, nothing fancy here.

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In order to allow for easy removal of the motherboard if required, I mount it on Velcro, nice and secure, but eacy to remove if necessary.

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The motherboard in place with some wires connected.

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I also needed two switches for the installation, one is the program/run switch, and the other is the sound mute switch for when you don't want the sounds springing to life for any reaosn.  The MTH cars have some nice detail hanging down where the switches fit like it was made for them.

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The whole project took about 4 hours, most of it in mounting switches, speaker, and the reed switch for the motion detection.

I hope this is of use to someone considering a similar conversion.  There were no surprises in the job, and hookup and construction was actually fairly easy.

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The answer for the sounds it makes is I bought the board for the PRR Contressional Station Sounds Diner, so that's what it emulates.

 

The cost is somewhat of a mystery, as I took most of the parts from my parts box.  If you buy them all new, the three boards are in the $40-45 range each, and the motherboard is $30.  The switches and reed relay are only a few bucks, and the speaker is one left over from an ERR upgrade, but I think they're $8-10 if you buy one.  I hope you understand, I can't really give you an exact cost, since most of the parts were just picked out of boxes here.

 

I used a R2LC-C08, a generic RS4 power supply, and the 691-RS4E-069 PRR Congressional RailSounds board.  The motherboard is a 691-PCB1-11D, again from the parts box.  I actually bought the Station Sounds Diner motherboard, but it's wider than the locomotive one and didn't really fit, which was a disappointment.  However, I have a couple of the other boards in my junkbox, so I'm all set.

 

I also bought the SP Daylight board, as I have that MTH Premier set as well, they'll also get a Station Sounds Diner (in the baggage car if anyone looks close).

 

The project was a success, the little speaker manages to boom out the sound clearly and loud enough that I had to turn it down.  I didn't add a volume control, though I could go back and do that if I desired in the future.  Since you can turn it down from the remote, I didn't feel the need.

I was jealous of the folks at the club that had the Lionel sets with the Station Sounds, but I didn't want to dump my MTH set and change so I could get a matching diner.  Also, those Station Sounds cars are in short supply nowadays.   This is actually a pretty easy conversion, so if you've always had a hankering for a Station Sounds Diner, this is the ticket.

gunrunnerjohn,

 

Nice job on the upgrade.  If you already have the Railsound power boards, and the motherboard not a bad way to go.  However if you don't have those 2 boards already why not just use the following board?

 

691PMB2A02POWERED MOTHERBOARD / RAILSOUNDS

$45.00

 

You still need the rest of the parts such as speaker, Railsounds Stationsounds board but you can skip the mother board and Railsounds powerboard.  You may still need a source for the serial data if not present in the car.

 

Takes up less space as well.  This is basically a ERR Railsounds commander board by itself without the sound set.

 

I've used one of these to add sounds to a RMT BEEF and have the same MTH passenger car to do when time allows.

 

Jim

Well, the reason I didn't use that board is first and foremost, I didn't know about it.

 

In this case, I did have all the parts except the Station Sounds RS4 board, which I had to buy in any case.

 

Obviously, the car doesn't have the serial data, so you'd need a TMCC receiver in any case, so you'd have to skywire that or have another board to supply the TMCC receiver.

 

That looks like a good way to have a more compact add-on for sound in smaller powered units.

 

One question.  If the RailSounds audio plugs onto that board, how tall are those pins?  You have to have clearance for the components on the RS audio board.  Is this really much smaller than the ERR RailSounds Commander?

It looked a lot like the RS Commander, that's why I was wondering.  After seeing that, I took out a RS Commander and it does seem to be the same board.

 

I did get my scale GG-1 running with the Cruise Commander and RailSounds Commander, it's the engine that's going to pull this passenger train.   That's the one I put my little module in to give it Rule 17 lighting and automate the cab lights.  And yes, it got electrocouplers.

 

 

Thanks guys. 

 

Jim, I will tell you that the TieEjector took probably the most work, getting the servo in there to properly activate the ejection mechanism was a bit tricky.  It is a cool little car now that it works.

 

Alex, I'll have to get on the video, maybe this Sunday when we have the club open house, I'm planning on taking the GG-1 and the Congressional passenger set.

Excellent idea, John...  Brilliant, in fact!!!   

 

I may have to go this route if Lionel doesn't start pumping out StationSounds diner cars for some of their recent passenger sets.  Most of the ones I'm thinking about are 18" aluminum sets, but there's no reason I shouldn't be able to buy the sound boards from the SS car that was produced for the 15" passenger car sets years ago (as long as Lionel still stocks them).

 

Thanks for sharing this idea.

 

David

 

P.S.  It was great seeing your custom-StationSounds car in action yesterday at the club. 

You have inspired me to take this project on.  I have been looking everywhere for a UP and SP Station Sounds car in ABS or Aluminum to no avail.  I did my best to find one at York last week, but that was no easy task.

 

Thank you for explaining each step of this project.  I'm sure I'll have questions as I go along.  Would you mind if I reach out with questions if I get stuck?

 

Many thanks.

Originally Posted by OGaugedreamer:

You have inspired me to take this project on.  I have been looking everywhere for a UP and SP Station Sounds car in ABS or Aluminum to no avail.  I did my best to find one at York last week, but that was no easy task.

 

Thank you for explaining each step of this project.  I'm sure I'll have questions as I go along.  Would you mind if I reach out with questions if I get stuck?

 

Many thanks.

Actually the Lionel SP StationSounds 18" aluminum diner has popped up on eBay quite often.  The UP... not so much.  But when it does, it often goes for a premium up around $300-$400.  This past weekend, an entire Lionel UP "City of Denver" 18" passenger set (no locomotives -- just the 7 cars) went for $2K via auction as 4-pk, 2-pk, and SS diner offerings!    Something doesn't quite seem right about that price, but I guess when folks really want something they get a bit irrational about it.

 

Given the real-world scarcity of StationSound diners, these won't come cheap.  So John's approach may be more cost-efficient... as well as a fun project to tackle.

 

David

 

P.S.  If you hadn't noticed in Lionel's new 2013 Signature Catalog... they did throw a "teaser" out to us passenger train enthusiasts hoping Lionel will bring back their StationSounds diner cars.  The Neil Young offerings listed 15" StationSounds cars as a 2014 Preview... so it still looks like it's gonna be awhile before we see them.  But at least it's a step in the right direction.

RockyMountaineer

 

"This past weekend, an entire Lionel UP "City of Denver" 18" passenger set (no locomotives -- just the 7 cars) went for $2K via auction as 4-pk, 2-pk, and SS diner offerings!"

 

And you know this because...................................you were researching the price and you just beat me to the UP set on for sale forum by about 1 minute!!   Enjoy.

 

Gunrunnerjohn,

 

Very nice.  Keep those projects coming!

Originally Posted by Professor Chaos:

Does anyone know, when the Lionel parts site lists sound chips as "Must contact Lionel to order", will they sell you one if you don't own the original diner?

I'm guessing that should read "unavailable", but it can't hurt to contact Lionel and see if there's a way to get it.  I was lucky that the two that I really wanted happened to be available.

I would see this post just right before I won a Southern Station Sounds Diner Car off Ebay. I was luck to get it for less then $180 which to me is a good price. But I know I would be interested in getting a Santa Fe sound board for my dad since he in the process of converting a Florida East Coast Station Sounds Diner into a Santa Fe version. What's the link to the Lionel site to order the sound chips?

Originally Posted by Professor Chaos:

Does anyone know, when the Lionel parts site lists sound chips as "Must contact Lionel to order", will they sell you one if you don't own the original diner?

In this case you have to send them another audio board and they will reprogram it. All RS5 boards are listed this way as well as some of the RS4 boards which have not yet been released for sale to the public. This includes Service Centers.

 

Pete

Originally Posted by Southern Railway Sean:

I would see this post just right before I won a Southern Station Sounds Diner Car off Ebay. I was luck to get it for less then $180 which to me is a good price. But I know I would be interested in getting a Santa Fe sound board for my dad since he in the process of converting a Florida East Coast Station Sounds Diner into a Santa Fe version. What's the link to the Lionel site to order the sound chips?

That's a good price, the parts for the unit will cost over $100 if you buy them all retail.  I happen to have most of them, I just needed the actual Station Sounds cards, so it was cost effective for me to build this car.

Originally Posted by Norton:
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

I was told you have to send them a defective identical sound board to get them.  You can't just take an RS audio board from anywhere and get a different audio set.

Its a case of who you know not what you know.

 

Pete

In other words, this is not an option for 99% of the people here.   I think replies would be more useful if they were... well useful.  Telling us about your under-the-table deal on the boards does nothing for anyone else here.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by N.Q.D.Y.:

That's a really nice job that you've done there John. Well done indeed. 

Thanks, Nicole.

Originally Posted by Professor Chaos:

Does anyone know, when the Lionel parts site lists sound chips as "Must contact Lionel to order", will they sell you one if you don't own the original diner?

Professor, just to reinterate, "must contact lionel" doesn't imply they are out of stock but  does mean they won't sell you one off the the shelf. You will need a RS4 audio board for them to reprogram though. Despite assumptions from the humor impaired no secret handshake is required. Just a call to Lionel service to verify what is required and to get an RMA number. Also you will want to price out all the components required. They will include the audio power board, cost to upgrade your audio board or the board itself if its available for outright sale, an R2LC radio board, a mother board to tie them all together, a speaker plus wire with a connector and either a truck with magnet and pickup or a reed switch and magnet like John used. I have about 7 SS diners. i also looked in the components to do s similar upgrade. I was fortunate to find all but one for well under 200 bucks so in my case it wasn't cost effective to make my own. It would make a fun project though.

 

Pete

Thanks Pete - I was thinking of cannibalize an older engine for the remaining parts, but its Railsounds board is not RS4.

 

 

Lionel lists a Daylight board as "must contact" (John, guess you cleaned out the freely available ones!)

I suppose I could buy one of the RS4 boards that are for sale without strings, then send it back to ask them to reprogram it for the Daylight... seems like the direct sale would be easier for everyone involved.

Great idea, gunrunner. I suppose another possibility might be if a person finds a StationSounds diner in another road name, just swap the shells with the baggage car in your set, then assemble the leftover diner shell with your baggage car chassis and sell it to recoup part of the cost. I'm sure there's a good market for diner add-ons even without the sounds.

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